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blazerkor said:
Once again you are going to look like you have no understanding of the game when Dame comes out of this slump.
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Ok fine he gets out of his slump, then what? First round exit? What’s the point man. You have to understand when it’s time to move on. Rebuilding isn’t a bad thing if it’s time
 
wizenheimer said:
again: testimony is evidence
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Now tell me what sports GM or owner has been fired only due to testimony evidence?

the last two I remember was Gruden and Sterling and those two sure had more than testimony evidence to back their claims.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Go look at the summer posts while some of us were wanting him canned. Many posters sticking up for him around here just because they wear rose colored glasses all the time. Look at some of the posts in this thread. The guy is a car salesman of the worst variety.
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I don't want to look back at anything ...Neil is a suit...a salesman...that's his job...he may be an asshole, probably is but there's a difference between him being an asshole and a bully and him hiring Chauncey and getting Nance, signing Norm and getting Zeller.....those moves I liked...doesn't mean I like Neil Olshey...same people this summer were way off base on Damian Lillard as well....that doesn't hold up as far as how people view the team. People are glass half full or glass half empty anyway. I try to enjoy whatever I can glean from the Blazers.....choices. I don't believe in the mediocrity theme that's been here forever either...you make the playoffs you are doing things right...I'd hate to be a Wolves fan and try to cheer year after year...I have zero attachment to Neil Olshey....
 
BlazerBeav said:
Sure, but if that's the only evidence, and he offers contradictory evidence, what then?
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Then he gets a slap on the wrist or gets paid to not work for the next two years like Terry ...either way I don't think he survives this as a Blazer exec
 
sheed30 said:
Now tell me what sports GM or owner has been fired only due to testimony evidence?

the last two I remember was Gruden and Sterling and those two sure had more than testimony evidence to back their claims.
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why did Bob Witsitt get fired? Kevin Pritchard? Rich Cho?

GM's get fired all the time without meeting any legal threshold of "cause"

my guess is that this investigation will be some attorney's meeting with past and current employees. They'll be taking statements and those statements might not even reach the level of affidavits. It might be a half dozen employees...it might be 3 dozen. Then they'll compile their findings and present it to the Vulcans. It may be an honest inquiry informing future process; or it may be just cover for an action the Vulcans already intend on taking

I'll say again: all most of us have to go on is Olshey's conduct in press conferences and public statements. Going by those it seems quite credible that Olshey might be a bully and an asshole, and that's leeched into his management style possibly creating a toxic work environment.
 
wizenheimer said:
define "sufficient"

answer this: can Jody Allen fire Olshey at any time?



Vulcans decide what then
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Of course they can fire him at any time. The Blazers are a private business entity. However, if they wanted to just fire him, they wouldn’t need to conduct an investigation, they would just fire him. It seems like they have an ulterior motive here to unlock some kind of morality clause in his contract to null his contract.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Go look at the summer posts while some of us were wanting him canned. Many posters sticking up for him around here just because they wear rose colored glasses all the time. Look at some of the posts in this thread. The guy is a car salesman of the worst variety.
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Dame owns a car dealership does that make him a car salesmen type?
 
OneSport3 said:
Of course they can fire him at any time. The Blazers are a private business entity. However, if they wanted to just fire him, they wouldn’t need to conduct an investigation, they would just fire him. It seems like they have an ulterior motive here to unlock some kind of morality clause in his contract to null his contract.
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yeah, I agree that is certainly a possibility

I don't know anything really about what kind of contracts GM's sign in professional sports leagues, but I would not be surprised if there was language aimed at creating toxic work environments. And maybe verbal abuse of employees although that would be pretty damn subjective
 
Hoopguru said:
Dame owns a car dealership does that make him a car salesmen type?
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Lol. Just because someone is a car salesman doesn't make them a car salesman type. Don't act dumb. There are good honest salespeople and then people that are slimy and full of shit.
 
BlazerBeav said:
Sure, but if that's the only evidence, and he offers contradictory evidence, what then?
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If it's one or two employees then you have a hard situation. If it's a large group of employees then you have a pattern of behavior and unless you have conflicting reports besides Olshey touting his own innocence then it's an easy call to make and you fire him with cause.
 
I am so damn tired of bashing without just context or reason just cause it's COOL to bash NeO. Also I have said it before not a fan of him in terms of thinks he walks on water but I can admit he has done some good and some bad but still try to have an open mind about him unlike most who want to run him out of town with pitch forks.

Also playing devil's advocate for a minute any chance this is blowback from people still upset with him hiring Billups and have decided to go after him in another way ? -- just saying something to consider
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Lol. Just because someone is a car salesman doesn't make them a car salesman type. Don't act dumb. There are good honest salespeople and then people that are slimy and full of shit.
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lol...I get it. He's more like a fast talking squirrelly politician thats always ready for the camera.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I am so damn tired of bashing without just context or reason just cause it's COOL to bash NeO. Also I have said it before not a fan of him in terms of thinks he walks on water but I can admit he has done some good and some bad but still try to have an open mind about him unlike most who want to run him out of town with pitch forks.

Also playing devil's advocate for a minute any chance this is blowback from people still upset with him hiring Billups and have decided to go after him in another way ? -- just saying something to consider
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Blowback from firing Terry maybe?
I commend you for keeping an open mind, we certainly need that now days more than ever.
 
This isn't a criminal trial, or even a civil trial. All that has to happen is that the Blazers' organization, whomever is in charge of hiring and firing at the GM position, sees enough evidence to believe that Olshey is not an asset to their franchise. That's it. So, there's no point getting deep in the legalese weeds of "how much evidence is needed," "what if it's he said/she said," etc. He's not looking at jail--he's looking at a company believing he's not whom they want as one of their executives. It's far more likely that a company turns a blind eye to bad behavior for years than that they get an itchy wokeness trigger finger.
 
I don’t know why people are defending this guy. We have seen his behavior first hand.

I know we thought it was funny and we still meme it but the way he treated Ben Golliver ON CAMERA was extremely unprofessional. And that was years ago.

By Ben Golliver
 
julius said:
so they were supposed to know the information, that the FBI was investigating and took years to figure out, about the assistant coach?? And did they "fire" the investigator because the job was done or because of some other reason?

So much Canzano like info there...
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Right? If a contractor built your house, did you "fire" him/her when the job was finished?
 
wizenheimer said:
again: testimony is evidence
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Corroborated testimony is evidence. I expect people to come out of the woodwork to corroborate his hostile work environment behavior.

Buh-bye.

:cheers:
 
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