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What is his ceiling?

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Ripcity4life77 said:
This is a make or break season for Sharpe -- period

Reason is we cannot keep hoping someone and this includes anyone on the roster if they cannot show something within 3 seasons on a consistent basis then I am not willing to play the "hope" game cause we played that game way too often with players in the past and that strat is part of the reason we are where we are right now.
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He just turned 21.......
 
blazerkor said:
I don't think he has to have that mentality to give us what we need. I know that TMac never won a title and neither has PG13 but if he can become a guy like either of those two I think that will be a great piece for us to have on this team... I won't be disappointed with him at all if that's who he ends up being. You know who else never seems to really give a fuck but also is amazing... SGA. Never seen the dude mean mugging, never even seen him hyped up after winning a game, just mellow with a bunch of dudes barking around him.

I really believe Scoot has great potential as a facilitator that's just enough of a scoring threat from all three levels to set up his passing but I also know that Scoot is a dog, he wants it and he wants it for the guys around him. Scoot can be in Shae's ear constantly one they get to that level where it's needed. Scoot can be Shae's hype man.

I also want to say that when Shaedon has been on the court without guys that the team (Cronin, Billups and broadcast team) doesn't label as better than him (Ant and Jerami) he has shown a willingness and hunger to dominate the game. People seem to forget that over the last 10 games of his rookie season Shae averaged over 24 ppg, over 6 rpg and over 4 assists per game. When Shae is told he's the guy, he acts like it... when he's shared the floor with guys like Malcolm he's shown up. Ball hogs like Ant and Jerami are what is standing in Shaedon's way... SGA didn't have to deal with that and TMac took a while (4 seasons) to step into his role. The fact is that if we want to see Shae and Scoot show us what they've got then at the very least Ant and Jerami need to be gone... dude's play like they're superstars and just aren't.
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Agree 100%. Ant and Grant need to be moved for fair value soon (a good FRP out of each would work). They will start hurting our future the longer they are here, IMO.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
This is a make or break season for Sharpe -- period

Reason is we cannot keep hoping someone and this includes anyone on the roster if they cannot show something within 3 seasons on a consistent basis then I am not willing to play the "hope" game cause we played that game way too often with players in the past and that strat is part of the reason we are where we are right now.
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*Snort* make or break season after 2 years

Ok. Nothing like unrealistic expectations.
 
I said 3 seasons and common sense would tell you there is always room for exceptions so lay off me -- LOL - but I will admit I ment to go back to clarify it a little cause i can see how it sounded like 3 years and your out type thing.

All I was saying is we cannot play the wait game forever and hope players pan out and let's be real for a moment most of the time in 3 seasons you can get an idea of what that player MIGHT turn into so that is all I ment
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I definitely wouldn't want to see him full-time at SF, but at the end of games, when we need an extra ball handler on the floor, I can see them going to a 3-guard lineup with him being able to defend the 3. I think he was listed at 205 last year. Another 5-7 lbs of muscle and he will be strong enough for sure to pull that off. (along with his 7' wing and crazy vertical)
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I think he would be fine at SF - IF we have a good defender at SG. The issue is when we have a poor defensive PG&SG then someone like Sharpe with them at SF.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I said 3 seasons and common sense would tell you there is always room for exceptions so lay off me -- LOL - but I will admit I ment to go back to clarify it a little cause i can see how it sounded like 3 years and your out type thing.

All I was saying is we cannot play the wait game forever and hope players pan out and let's be real for a moment most of the time in 3 seasons you can get an idea of what that player MIGHT turn into so that is all I ment
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So if Sharpe has a bad year what resulting action does that cause the Blazers to take?

I don't see it changing much except he might be offered a smaller extension.

Of course I'd prefer he plays well and improves.
 
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I am not saying we should trade Sharpe but we do need to see some real growth from him this season and if not then it MIGHT be time to consider trading him IF the package is right. Also I realize he has been injured and such but this is WHY I have been on the fire Billups thing cause he has kind of been inconsistent on how he plays him and such. Also I do not care if he is jacked and looks like Dwayne the rock Johnson if he comes out and plays like crap his looks means NOTHING so showing pics of him in shape mean little to nothing IF his game does not improve. You might think I am being hard on him but i am not it's just I am tired of the front office falling in love with players and not doing the right thing when it's obvious the player has prolly hit his ceiling or does not fit the team.

The best example of this is Ant -- I love him but I have come around to see that it's prolly time to try and trade him and get the best package for him so he can move on and the team can put ALL it's eggs in the basket of a Scoot / Sharpe back court.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I am not saying we should trade Sharpe but we do need to see some real growth from him this season and if not then it MIGHT be time to consider trading him IF the package is right. Also I realize he has been injured and such but this is WHY I have been on the fire Billups thing cause he has kind of been inconsistent on how he plays him and such. Also I do not care if he is jacked and looks like Dwayne the rock Johnson if he comes out and plays like crap his looks means NOTHING so showing pics of him in shape mean little to nothing IF his game does not improve. You might think I am being hard on him but i am not it's just I am tired of the front office falling in love with players and not doing the right thing when it's obvious the player has prolly hit his ceiling or does not fit the team.

The best example of this is Ant -- I love him but I have come around to see that it's prolly time to try and trade him and get the best package for him so he can move on and the team can put ALL it's eggs in the basket of a Scoot / Sharpe back court.
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Sharpe has already shown that he can play on both sides of the ball. He just needs the opportunity for a consistent role and good developmental support. He'll be fine.

Will he be an All Star? Maybe, maybe not. But he'll be a quality starter if the franchise doesn't hold him back.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Sharpe easily has the potential to be our best player. No way would I give up on that for another 3 years at least.
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I think people also have forgotten what he can do, because last year he was injured for most of it (missed 50 games) and didn't ever get a chance to get himself set right.

Even still, dude averaged 16 points a game.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I am not saying we should trade Sharpe but we do need to see some real growth from him this season and if not then it MIGHT be time to consider trading him IF the package is right. Also I realize he has been injured and such but this is WHY I have been on the fire Billups thing cause he has kind of been inconsistent on how he plays him and such. Also I do not care if he is jacked and looks like Dwayne the rock Johnson if he comes out and plays like crap his looks means NOTHING so showing pics of him in shape mean little to nothing IF his game does not improve. You might think I am being hard on him but i am not it's just I am tired of the front office falling in love with players and not doing the right thing when it's obvious the player has prolly hit his ceiling or does not fit the team.

The best example of this is Ant -- I love him but I have come around to see that it's prolly time to try and trade him and get the best package for him so he can move on and the team can put ALL it's eggs in the basket of a Scoot / Sharpe back court.
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No one should be close to untouchable on this roster. I just don't think you get the value back for Scoot or Sharpe that it's still realistic to hope that they have in their future but if the package being offered for either or both matches the value that they potentially have, then you pull the trigger on any deal that makes sense.

Hopefully both guys will be healthy, hopefully Ant won't be ball hogging every damn minute he plays or better yet he's gone in a trade and hopefully both Shaedon and Scoot show why they're not only our franchise's present and future but that they have potential to be the best back court in the league.
 
Potential -- the most dangerous word that can be used and the word the is used to defend why we do not trade someone and the word that is over used and that is the point I was trying to make in previous posts . The problem is using Sharpe as a example and maybe was not a good one but the real question becomes is HOW long do we wait cause we are going into year three so if he gets banged up and gets hindered on the dev side or maybe gets in Billups dog house and gets minutes reduced for Sharpe. Then if this happens and god forbid Brogs is still on the team and who Billups seems to have a complete hard on for and not joking when i say that and ends up giving Brogs some of Sharpes minutes. This all comes back to can we trust Billups with his development when he has not been good at it in the previous two seasons. In the end as much as this comes down to how far can Sharpe grow its also in Billups hands and not going to lie that is kind of scary and I hope Billups finally hands him the keys to the team to the two young guns of Scoot and Sharpe.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Potential -- the most dangerous word that can be used and the word the is used to defend why we do not trade someone and the word that is over used and that is the point I was trying to make in previous posts . The problem is using Sharpe as a example and maybe was not a good one but the real question becomes is HOW long do we wait cause we are going into year three so if he gets banged up and gets hindered on the dev side or maybe gets in Billups dog house and gets minutes reduced for Sharpe. Then if this happens and god forbid Brogs is still on the team and who Billups seems to have a complete hard on for and not joking when i say that and ends up giving Brogs some of Sharpes minutes. This all comes back to can we trust Billups with his development when he has not been good at it in the previous two seasons. In the end as much as this comes down to how far can Sharpe grow its also in Billups hands and not going to lie that is kind of scary and I hope Billups finally hands him the keys to the team to the two young guns of Scoot and Sharpe.
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The only potential is if/when Sharpe potentially makes the All-Star team.

check out the 20-35 second mark of these highlights. Shaedon can block shots and rebound. That's a fantastic anomaly for a Blazers guard.

 
As a serious fan of the draft, next week brings hope … and hopefully so after the picks are made! Scoot’s improvement in the 2nd half of the season quieted some of the negative chatter and concerns and this season is big for him. Other young players were fun to watch especially Camara.

However, it is Sharpe who tops that list for seeing what he is growing into. Thickening up and developing mature handles can move him to getting his own shot at 3 levels instead of relying on others.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Potential -- the most dangerous word that can be used and the word the is used to defend why we do not trade someone and the word that is over used and that is the point I was trying to make in previous posts . The problem is using Sharpe as a example and maybe was not a good one but the real question becomes is HOW long do we wait cause we are going into year three so if he gets banged up and gets hindered on the dev side or maybe gets in Billups dog house and gets minutes reduced for Sharpe. Then if this happens and god forbid Brogs is still on the team and who Billups seems to have a complete hard on for and not joking when i say that and ends up giving Brogs some of Sharpes minutes. This all comes back to can we trust Billups with his development when he has not been good at it in the previous two seasons. In the end as much as this comes down to how far can Sharpe grow its also in Billups hands and not going to lie that is kind of scary and I hope Billups finally hands him the keys to the team to the two young guns of Scoot and Sharpe.
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You get rid of guys who don't have as much potential and you play Sharpe and Scoot. And you give them developmental coaches and trainers. That's how you develop guys.

If you aren't willing to do that then you're going to end up with a Jermaine O'Neal situation. That was a tough situation because we thought we needed vets to win.

We don't need vets to win right now. Play Sharpe (and probably Scoot, but for sure Sharpe has proven he's a starting 2) and trade whoever necessary to clear that runway for them and use it to build that kind of potential at other positions.

But really you need Scoot and Sharpe developing together. As well as Ayton. Play those three together a ton.
 
Phatguysrule said:
You get rid of guys who don't have as much potential and you play Sharpe and Scoot. And you give them developmental coaches and trainers. That's how you develop guys.

If you aren't willing to do that then you're going to end up with a Jermaine O'Neal situation. That was a tough situation because we thought we needed vets to win.

We don't need vets to win right now. Play Sharpe (and probably Scoot, but for sure Sharpe has proven he's a starting 2) and trade whoever necessary to clear that runway for them and use it to build that kind of potential at other positions.

But really you need Scoot and Sharpe developing together. As well as Ayton. Play those three together a ton.
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Seems like they are already willing to do that.

Scoot averaged 28.5 minutes last year.
Shae averaged 33 minutes a game last year

In his 4th and last year in Portland Jermaine played 70 games and averaged 12 minutes a game. I don't think we need to worry about it.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
In his 4th and last year in Portland Jermaine played 70 games and averaged 12 minutes a game. I don't think we need to worry about it.
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Maybe because he was behind Rasheed Wallace, Brian Grant and Arvydas Sabonis? Scoot and Shae would be glued to the bench if they were behind Steve Smith/Bonzi Wells/Scottie Pippen et. al.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Seems like they are already willing to do that.

Scoot averaged 28.5 minutes last year.
Shae averaged 33 minutes a game last year

In his 4th and last year in Portland Jermaine played 70 games and averaged 12 minutes a game. I don't think we need to worry about it.
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They need consistency, though, if you want them to develop. They didn't get consistency last season. And you can't have Ant and Grant playing "me ball" if you want Scoot and Sharpe to develop.

It's time for those guys to get flipped for young players with potential at positions of need or FRPs.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Maybe because he was behind Rasheed Wallace, Brian Grant and Arvydas Sabonis? Scoot and Shae would be glued to the bench if they were behind Steve Smith/Bonzi Wells/Scottie Pippen et. al.
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As they would deserve to be in that situation
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I am not saying we should trade Sharpe but we do need to see some real growth from him this season and if not then it MIGHT be time to consider trading him IF the package is right. Also I realize he has been injured and such but this is WHY I have been on the fire Billups thing cause he has kind of been inconsistent on how he plays him and such. Also I do not care if he is jacked and looks like Dwayne the rock Johnson if he comes out and plays like crap his looks means NOTHING so showing pics of him in shape mean little to nothing IF his game does not improve. You might think I am being hard on him but i am not it's just I am tired of the front office falling in love with players and not doing the right thing when it's obvious the player has prolly hit his ceiling or does not fit the team.

The best example of this is Ant -- I love him but I have come around to see that it's prolly time to try and trade him and get the best package for him so he can move on and the team can put ALL it's eggs in the basket of a Scoot / Sharpe back court.
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You must have hated Jermain O'Neal's 3rd and 4th seasons as a Blazer.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I am not saying we should trade Sharpe but we do need to see some real growth from him this season and if not then it MIGHT be time to consider trading him IF the package is right. Also I realize he has been injured and such but this is WHY I have been on the fire Billups thing cause he has kind of been inconsistent on how he plays him and such. Also I do not care if he is jacked and looks like Dwayne the rock Johnson if he comes out and plays like crap his looks means NOTHING so showing pics of him in shape mean little to nothing IF his game does not improve. You might think I am being hard on him but i am not it's just I am tired of the front office falling in love with players and not doing the right thing when it's obvious the player has prolly hit his ceiling or does not fit the team.

The best example of this is Ant -- I love him but I have come around to see that it's prolly time to try and trade him and get the best package for him so he can move on and the team can put ALL it's eggs in the basket of a Scoot / Sharpe back court.
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What are you even saying, LOL.

First, you basically say we should put Sharpe on the trade block if he doesn't improve to franchise/all-star caliber this year.
Then, you turn around and say we should put all our eggs in the Scoot/Sharpe basket?

Not a great take.
 
OMG -- learn to fucking read -- I will concede this take was not very well put together but i NEVER EVER EVER said Franchise / AS caliber --

I will own the fact I do wish I could go back and make a better post that was not all over the place and not explained better etc but again please do not put words in my mouth -- thanks

I will say the more I wrote about Sharpe the one thing became crystal clear to me is that outside of his personal growth the fact we have a HC in Billups that mishandled him at times has not helped him in his growth. This is why I started to pivot to the fact I was not sure Billups was the right coach for him but we shall see with new coaches in the fold.

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Whyachi -- your right i was kind of like Cronin and good take from you -- LOL
 
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