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How many people here would be cool with running with "what if" scenarios if we were arguing about LMA's post play? Nobody? Okay then. Please apply the same rigor to arguments about weapons that you do about LaMarcus Aldridge. :lol:

If LA wants to pack heat the next time we play the L*kers, I have no problem with it.
 
people spaz out and stab people all the time, there really is no way of knowing this guy wouldnt have came to the mall with a samurai sword or any other number of weapons or devices

If this fool was throwing daggers instead of bullets...... 2 people would be alive right now!
 
And my point is, do you think laws would have stopped a madman from obtaining a gun?

No, but if it makes it harder, I'm all for it. I just know that you are smarter then these fools who say that the MORE guns on the street...... the SAFER we'll be! As a father of 2 young children and somebody who has dealt with these weapons....... I STRONGLY disagree!
 
If this fool was throwing daggers instead of bullets...... 2 people would be alive right now!

if he was poisoning sodas at the panda express 100 people would be dead right now

this game is no fun

the dude killed 2 people
 
You might be able to make the argument that guns don't play a significant role in our every day lives like cars do, but knives certainly would fall under that category.

Who has outlawed guns? England.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/23/knife-crime-statistics

The number of fatal stabbings in England and Wales rose from 269 to 270 last year, the highest total for at least 30 years, the Home Office said yesterday.

Or how about this one

Knives now kill six a week
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ople-are-killed-by-knife-crime-each-week.html
Latest figures show a shocking 332 fatalities in a year — the worst toll since records began.

BAN KNIVES!!!!!
 
I don't get the argument that if someone had a gun to counter it, things would've been better (paraphrase).

Well, if this nut job didn't have access to an assault rifle, or semi automatic gun, people would be alive.

More guns won't stop this shit from happening. How many times has that actually happened? I don't secretly know that #, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's very small.

Bottom line, what the hell do people not in the police or military need assault rifles/semi automatic guns?

Other than killing people what good are those guns? for hunting? Self defense (no)?
 
I don't get the argument that if someone had a gun to counter it, things would've been better (paraphrase).

Well, if this nut job didn't have access to an assault rifle, or semi automatic gun, people would be alive.

More guns won't stop this shit from happening. How many times has that actually happened? I don't secretly know that #, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's very small.

Bottom line, what the hell do no police or military need assault rifles/semi automatic guns?

Other than killing people what good are those guns? for hunting? Self defense (no)?

Not to rain on your parade, but the fact that he had an assault rifle in this instance actually saved lives. He only shot three people (four if you include himself) because his gun jammed. A bolt action rifle would not have jammed so he could have easily killed more people. Bolt actions can have magazines as well. Hell, a lever action can hold six or seven shots and is easily reloadable. People like to lean on the "OMG ban assault rifles" but I could have easily done just as much damage (probably more actually) with a non-semi auto rifle. That gun jamming saved lives. :dunno:
 
max..... you're smarter then this bro. What if, what if, what if? Those things don't, guns do. I respect everybody's opinion, but had that freak not had a gun in his hands today, people would be alive........ would love to see anybody argue that.

Agreed. But gun laws wouldn't have taken that out of his hands. There are a lot of guns unaccounted for out there. Most would be in the hands of those who are irresponsible.
 
Not to rain on your parade, but the fact that he had an assault rifle in this instance actually saved lives.

yeah, cept for the 2 people who he killed.

He only shot three people (four if you include himself) because his gun jammed. A bolt action rifle would not have jammed so he could have easily killed more people. Bolt actions can have magazines as well. Hell, a lever action can hold six or seven shots and is easily reloadable. People like to lean on the "OMG ban assault rifles" but I could have easily done just as much damage (probably more actually) with a non-semi auto rifle. That gun jamming saved lives. :dunno:

ok, if you want to pull that (lame) rationale, how about we actually make it so they make it difficult for people to get guns that aren't necessary?

as in, why the fuck would someone who is sane and normal, buy a semi automatic gun?

Be a gun owner, fine. But seriously, what do you need a semi automatic gun for? Because that deer just needs an extra 20 holes?
 
Bottom line, what the hell do people not in the police or military need assault rifles/semi automatic guns?

not everyone shares your blind trust in the military and the police

id much rather there were no guns in this world, but if they have them, so will i
 
Agreed. But gun laws wouldn't have taken that out of his hands. There are a lot of guns unaccounted for out there. Most would be in the hands of those who are irresponsible.

bringing back the assault weapon ban is one to biggest blunders that the right wingers argue against.

Yeah, because it's so needed to have an assault rifle.
 
people spaz out and stab people all the time, there really is no way of knowing this guy wouldnt have came to the mall with a samurai sword or any other number of weapons or devices

I have some samurai swords that are centuries old. Personally, I'd hate to taint mine with anything less than the blood of a worthy opponent. Skanks and d-bags at Crackamas Town Center fall far short.
 
there are over 10k gun murders a year in the US, most of them with handguns

ban handguns?
 
if i criminal has an assault rifle, trust me, you are gonna want an assault rifle

a handgun or a shotgun just isnt going to get it done 9/10 times
 
bringing back the assault weapon ban is one to biggest blunders that the right wingers argue against.

Yeah, because it's so needed to have an assault rifle.

Believe me - weapons like an AR-15 serve one purpose: to kill people. I'm all for limiting access to guns. I'm just saying a ban isn't going to eliminate these types of events. Don't misunderstand me. I'm terrified of guns.
 
not everyone shares your blind trust in the military and the police

id much rather there were no guns in this world, but if they have them, so will i

although i get what you're bigger point is, I don't blindly trust either of them.
 
yeah, cept for the 2 people who he killed.



ok, if you want to pull that (lame) rationale, how about we actually make it so they make it difficult for people to get guns that aren't necessary?

as in, why the fuck would someone who is sane and normal, buy a semi automatic gun?

Be a gun owner, fine. But seriously, what do you need a semi automatic gun for? Because that deer just needs an extra 20 holes?

But you're arguing against assault rifles, and in this case you could just as easily kill two or three people with any other gun. I'm just saying, in this case the gun jammed because it was a magazine fed semi-automatic rifle. He had no idea how to clear the weapon and ended up doing much less damage than he could have.

Semi-automatic covers a wide field of weapons. Most handguns are semi-auto. Some shotguns are semi-auto. It just means that the gun reloads itself. You don't have to physically rack the bolt every time you want to reload. Many hunting rifles are semi-auto, and I'm not talking about AR-15s.

I believe you are talking mostly about guns that have the ability to hold high capacity magazines. ARs, AKs, etc. The thing is, the only reason why those guns have a certain stigma is because they replicate the look of weapons that are used by the military. There are plenty of guns that are just as bad and actually more dangerous but look like your average, everyday, run of the mill hunting rifle.

I have a Remington 30-06 hunting rifle. It was my grandfathers. The gun is over 60 years old.

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The bullets are significantly more expensive and cause much more damage to flesh than a .223 round that an AR15 uses. Most AR15 rounds are not hollowpoint, so they would go straight through whatever they make contact with. Most 30-06 rounds are hollow points, which means they shred whatever they come in contact with.

So my point is, you are saying that "assault rifles" should be banned, but which would you rather be shot with?
 
dude could have laid waste with a handgun

the gun doesnt matter
 
The bullets are significantly more expensive and cause much more damage to flesh than a .223 round that an AR15 uses. Most AR15 rounds are not hollowpoint, so they would go straight through whatever they make contact with. Most 30-06 rounds are hollow points, which means they shred whatever they come in contact with.

So my point is, you are saying that "assault rifles" should be banned, but which would you rather be shot with?

I think the better question is which gun I'd rather be shot at with by some shithead who got called a homo one too many times on WoW. A hunting rifle requires more skill hit your target and prevents one from spraying dozens of bullets in a brief period of time (or at least makes it damn hard, especially for people who don't know how to operate it).
 
I think the better question is which gun I'd rather be shot at with by some shithead who got called a homo one too many times on WoW. A hunting rifle requires more skill hit your target and prevents one from spraying dozens of bullets in a brief period of time (or at least makes it damn hard, especially for people who don't know how to operate it).

But in this case it backfired because the moron jammed his gun. I hear what you're saying though. 30 rounds gives you a lot of opportunity. The thing is, banning assault rifles at this point would solve nothing. There are enough high-cap magazines in the populace to make it relatively easy for anyone to get ahold of what they want. The ban only covers selling new AR15s or 30 round mags. Anything sold before the ban is grandfathered in.
 
I'd rather certain people not be allowed to buy guns, and certain guns not available for purchase.
 
Theoretically, if you ban these guns or ban the modifications or magazines or what have you that make this kind of thing easy, then the number of these will shrink as police start getting them from arrested gang members and whoever else would be using them. Also theoretically, wouldn't these shit stain teenage/early 20s guys be priced out of getting one since the gangsters and gun aficionados would be driving the price up for them? Maybe as years turn into decades we'd look back and remember a time when every 6 months to a year some fuck head would start shooting random people in public with high powered assault weapons.

Obviously a big part of the reason these things happen is culture and psychology/sociology type of stuff. But what is the harm in banning assault weapons? Hunters can still use hunting weapons, people can still have their home defense weapons. No one needs an assault rifle.
 
Theoretically, if you ban these guns or ban the modifications or magazines or what have you that make this kind of thing easy, then the number of these will shrink as police start getting them from arrested gang members and whoever else would be using them. Also theoretically, wouldn't these shit stain teenage/early 20s guys be priced out of getting one since the gangsters and gun aficionados would be driving the price up for them? Maybe as years turn into decades we'd look back and remember a time when every 6 months to a year some fuck head would start shooting random people in public with high powered assault weapons.

Obviously a big part of the reason these things happen is culture and psychology/sociology type of stuff. But what is the harm in banning assault weapons? Hunters can still use hunting weapons, people can still have their home defense weapons. No one needs an assault rifle.

This.

Is everyone okay, btw? Anyone here know people who were there/affected? I have a friend who is a 911 operator. Busy busy day for her.
 
You can now print guns with a 3D printer. How are we going to ban these things? Bottom line, if you want one, you can get one.
 
Theoretically, if you ban these guns or ban the modifications or magazines or what have you that make this kind of thing easy, then the number of these will shrink as police start getting them from arrested gang members and whoever else would be using them. Also theoretically, wouldn't these shit stain teenage/early 20s guys be priced out of getting one since the gangsters and gun aficionados would be driving the price up for them? Maybe as years turn into decades we'd look back and remember a time when every 6 months to a year some fuck head would start shooting random people in public with high powered assault weapons.

Obviously a big part of the reason these things happen is culture and psychology/sociology type of stuff. But what is the harm in banning assault weapons? Hunters can still use hunting weapons, people can still have their home defense weapons. No one needs an assault rifle.

Banning them doesn't get rid of them. It just prevents the further sale of new ones. The assault rifles and high cap mags that were sold before the "ban" are grandfathered in. This was the case with the previous assault rifle ban. Similarly, it is illegal to sell machine guns to anyone not associated with law enforcement, but you can buy an old machine gun that was grand fathered in. There was an article today about a woman turning in a 1944 German machine gun that she'd had in her possession since her father passed away. He had brought it back after WWII. These guns are out there, despite them being banned. Hell, if I want to own a silencer I can legally buy one, but I have to go through a licensing process with the ATF.

So essentially, banning assault rifles only stops the production and sale of new ones. It doesn't get the hundreds of thousands out of circulation that would still be perfectly legal.
 
I don't get the argument that if someone had a gun to counter it, things would've been better (paraphrase).

Well, if this nut job didn't have access to an assault rifle, or semi automatic gun, people would be alive.

More guns won't stop this shit from happening. How many times has that actually happened? I don't secretly know that #, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's very small.

Bottom line, what the hell do people not in the police or military need assault rifles/semi automatic guns?

Other than killing people what good are those guns? for hunting? Self defense (no)?

Read a friggin' history book. Granted, you've obviously led a very sheltered and pampered life in a period where this country's government has not experienced martial law or a violent coup attempt. What you need to realize is that the only deterrent to that happening has been an armed populace. This is exactly why we have the 2nd Amendment, to protect the sanctity of our country's government and the safety of American citizens.

Killers will try to kill, as they always have since time began. Disarming the populace only guarantees they will succeed at a higher rate.
 
Fear - that's another feature of the conservative brain. Also the gun-owner's.
I hear Somalia is refreshingly government-free. You might want to give it a shot. You can see if the consulates are well-protected while you're over there, as I know that's an area of interest for you.

I hear North Korea doesn't allow citizens to own guns. Maybe you'd be happier living there.
 

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