Shooting at Reynolds High School

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I agree about arming teachers. I don't think it would realistically work, and even if it did, would it have prevented what happened today? Probably not.

I just don't think that universal background checks is going to have the results that people want. Great, we do universal background checks, but how does that stop the kid from stealing his dad's gun? How does that stop the friend from breaking into your house and stealing your rifle that he knows you keep under your bed? It doesn't. I don't think it stops any of these shootings.

We need to treat the problem, and guns are not the problem. The problem is mentally deranged children who decide to kill their classmates. We need to do a better job of identifying these kids, and treating them. Parents need to do a better job of paying attention to their children. We need to stop this problem at the source. Figure out why these kids are getting to the point where they are ready to kill people, and then figure out how to prevent that from happening. It's the only way.

Stuff like this could be said for many laws that we have currently, and while no law is ever going to be 100% effective, saying why bother because people will still do it is a silly response in my opinion. Why bother with DUI laws, when people still drive drunk every day? Do we get rid of the laws, and instead try to get to the real root of what makes someone drive drunk?
You say people wouldn't follow the laws about locking up their guns, trigger locks, etc. Why not? A vast majority of gun owners are perfectly normal law abiding citizens. All of a sudden they'll choose to break the law? I don't think so. Some will. But, when one does and something happens, and people with guns see that individual punished for not protecting his gun, then mayb they start thinking about following the law.
Yes, we do need to find what makes kids flip like that. But to sit and do nothing while you try to "get to the root of the problem" doesn't make any sense to me. People do evil shit. They have since the beginning of time, and they will continue to. Some people came up with decent laws that you quickly dismiss because they won't be 100% effective, but how do you do something about it then? Figuring out how to prevent them at the root is just fluffy bullshit and kicking the can down the road. How are you going to identify someone? How are you going to "treat" them? Lock them up? Pump more pills in them? Give their families a bunch of money so both parents don't have to work? Find them friends so they don't feel like an outcast?
 
It's not government's role to protect us from crimes that may or may not be committed.

Sure, have the crimes and penalties and uphold them to the hilt. But not at the expense of Liberty.
 
This one's better than Sly's:

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There's a flashlight on it.
I'll take that 5.56 and raise you a 7.62 ;)



A .223 (5.56x45) that is a standard AR-15 round vs. a .308 (7.62x51) which is a standard AR-10 round:



The .223 is on my keychain and was a gift from my FFL dealer.
 
I'll take that 5.56 and raise you a 7.62 ;)



A .223 (5.56x45) that is a standard AR-15 round vs. a .308 (7.62x51) which is a standard AR-10 round:



The .223 is on my keychain and was a gift from my FFL dealer.

The gun I showed is a SWAT team kind of weapon. I'm less scared about regular people having those than I am the police. Our police are becoming military and we're becoming more and more "occupied" over time.
 
The gun I showed is a SWAT team kind of weapon. I'm less scared about regular people having those than I am the police. Our police are becoming military and we're becoming more and more "occupied" over time.

I don't mind that. I just bought mine because I love target shooting and hunting and just love guns in general. And maybe self defense if shit hits the fan.
 
I probably shouldn't have posted that though, I know people are probably a little on edge right now as it is :/ my apologies.
 
I beg somebody to come on here and defend gun owners. This is bullshit!


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Im a gun owner AND I have a penis. Never killed or raped anyone. Defended
 
Stuff like this could be said for many laws that we have currently, and while no law is ever going to be 100% effective, saying why bother because people will still do it is a silly response in my opinion. Why bother with DUI laws, when people still drive drunk every day? Do we get rid of the laws, and instead try to get to the real root of what makes someone drive drunk?
You say people wouldn't follow the laws about locking up their guns, trigger locks, etc. Why not? A vast majority of gun owners are perfectly normal law abiding citizens. All of a sudden they'll choose to break the law? I don't think so. Some will. But, when one does and something happens, and people with guns see that individual punished for not protecting his gun, then mayb they start thinking about following the law.
Yes, we do need to find what makes kids flip like that. But to sit and do nothing while you try to "get to the root of the problem" doesn't make any sense to me. People do evil shit. They have since the beginning of time, and they will continue to. Some people came up with decent laws that you quickly dismiss because they won't be 100% effective, but how do you do something about it then? Figuring out how to prevent them at the root is just fluffy bullshit and kicking the can down the road. How are you going to identify someone? How are you going to "treat" them? Lock them up? Pump more pills in them? Give their families a bunch of money so both parents don't have to work? Find them friends so they don't feel like an outcast?

DUI laws have nothing to do with regulating alcohol. They specifically address driving while intoxicated. It's a law to punish people who drive drunk. And yet, it doesn't prevent jack shit. Tons of people drive drunk, or buzzed, or whatever you want to call it. All the DUI laws do is punish the people who get caught. We already do that with people who shoot other people. It's called murder and we put them away for life.

So why would you think passing laws about guns would have any effect whatsoever? They already tried prohibition, and it led to a huge crime wave. They've also tried outlawing drugs, and yet there are people smoking weed and other things by the millions.

Do you want to know the truth? We are numb to people dying in auto accidents. Two teenagers died in a car wreck from West Linn a couple nights ago. Is anyone freaking out? Is anyone demanding reform on driving laws? Nope. People die every day, and people are killed every day, but we have come to accept auto accidents as part of life. Why? Why does drunk driving draw less ire from the populace than shootings? They're both deadly weapons. They both kill innocent people.

The biggest difference? One was an accident, the other was intentional. So why do we blame guns and not cars? Cars are incredibly dangerous, probably more than we give them credit, but we always blame the driver. The driver is the asshole who drank and drove. The driver was the jackass who fell asleep at the wheel and killed someone. We pass laws to punish the driver of the vehicle because that's where the blame lies.

Honestly, you want my opinion? Teach firearm safety in public schools. Expose kids to guns so they understand them better. Stop trying to hide them like they don't exist and allow kids to pick them up and hold them in a safe environment. Bring police officers into schools and teach firearm safety. I know it will never happen, but I think it would be a good idea to at least lower the deaths from accidents.

Also, we need to stop spending money on wars and start investing in schools. I honestly think that smaller class sizes would help put a stop to things like this. It would allow teachers to focus on individual students more. If parents can't be as involved in their kids lives, we need to make it possible for teachers to get more involved. This will only happen if we increase funding to schools so we can lower class sizes and increase extracurricular activities. Give them something to do. Stop taking away things like band, theater, and debate, and start giving kids a way to express themselves.

We are seriously staring down the barrel of a much bigger problem. We are falling down the rankings in terms of education in the world, we are climbing in obesity, and we are sending our kids out into the world unprepared to deal with reality. I think these shootings are just a symptom of a bigger problem. We need to do something now.
 
DUI laws have nothing to do with regulating alcohol. They specifically address driving while intoxicated. It's a law to punish people who drive drunk. And yet, it doesn't prevent jack shit. Tons of people drive drunk, or buzzed, or whatever you want to call it. All the DUI laws do is punish the people who get caught. We already do that with people who shoot other people. It's called murder and we put them away for life.

So why would you think passing laws about guns would have any effect whatsoever? They already tried prohibition, and it led to a huge crime wave. They've also tried outlawing drugs, and yet there are people smoking weed and other things by the millions.

Do you want to know the truth? We are numb to people dying in auto accidents. Two teenagers died in a car wreck from West Linn a couple nights ago. Is anyone freaking out? Is anyone demanding reform on driving laws? Nope. People die every day, and people are killed every day, but we have come to accept auto accidents as part of life. Why? Why does drunk driving draw less ire from the populace than shootings? They're both deadly weapons. They both kill innocent people.

The biggest difference? One was an accident, the other was intentional. So why do we blame guns and not cars? Cars are incredibly dangerous, probably more than we give them credit, but we always blame the driver. The driver is the asshole who drank and drove. The driver was the jackass who fell asleep at the wheel and killed someone. We pass laws to punish the driver of the vehicle because that's where the blame lies.

Honestly, you want my opinion? Teach firearm safety in public schools. Expose kids to guns so they understand them better. Stop trying to hide them like they don't exist and allow kids to pick them up and hold them in a safe environment. Bring police officers into schools and teach firearm safety. I know it will never happen, but I think it would be a good idea to at least lower the deaths from accidents.

Also, we need to stop spending money on wars and start investing in schools. I honestly think that smaller class sizes would help put a stop to things like this. It would allow teachers to focus on individual students more. If parents can't be as involved in their kids lives, we need to make it possible for teachers to get more involved. This will only happen if we increase funding to schools so we can lower class sizes and increase extracurricular activities. Give them something to do. Stop taking away things like band, theater, and debate, and start giving kids a way to express themselves.

We are seriously staring down the barrel of a much bigger problem. We are falling down the rankings in terms of education in the world, we are climbing in obesity, and we are sending our kids out into the world unprepared to deal with reality. I think these shootings are just a symptom of a bigger problem. We need to do something now.

I wasn't get back into this . . . but I can't help myself.

Alcohol is highly regulated. Where and when you can buy it, where you can consume it, how you are allowed to act while intoxicated.

DUII laws and punishment can be effective. Society is very much aware of the problems of DUII and the deaths they cause and there are very powerful groups who continue to push for harder and harder punishments and treatment in hopes of preventing future deaths. Both state and federal governments spend much time and money dealing with the DUII and the innocent people that die because of it. It is unacceptable to have innocent people dying because of DUIIs and laws have responded in kind.

The big difference I see is: owning a gun is a constitutional right and thus much harder to restrict than driving which is not a right but a privilege and can be regulated without concern of the constitutional issues.

This country has and continues to progressed significantly in regulating driving and deaths caused by driving. This country has very little control and has not progressed in any significant way in regulating guns and deaths caused by guns . . . and the answer is because the gov't can strictly regulate one but not the other.

If owning a gun was a privilege instead of a constitutional right, I believe a lot of these issues could be dealt with. But it is not, the fact it is a constitutional right to own a gun very much limits what the gov't can do to try and prevent these occur like today from happening.

It is actually a very good example, in my mind, of how gov't regulation can help improve society when they are allowed.
 
Kids need to be taught how to fight. Instead of jacking guns from their parents. I'm not even that far removed from high school and if I had beef with someone, we fought it out. If I thought that person could kick my ass, I punched them first.

I think zero tolerance has fucked up our youth.
 
DUI laws have nothing to do with regulating alcohol. They specifically address driving while intoxicated. It's a law to punish people who drive drunk. And yet, it doesn't prevent jack shit. Tons of people drive drunk, or buzzed, or whatever you want to call it. All the DUI laws do is punish the people who get caught. We already do that with people who shoot other people. It's called murder and we put them away for life.

So why would you think passing laws about guns would have any effect whatsoever? They already tried prohibition, and it led to a huge crime wave. They've also tried outlawing drugs, and yet there are people smoking weed and other things by the millions.

Do you want to know the truth? We are numb to people dying in auto accidents. Two teenagers died in a car wreck from West Linn a couple nights ago. Is anyone freaking out? Is anyone demanding reform on driving laws? Nope. People die every day, and people are killed every day, but we have come to accept auto accidents as part of life. Why? Why does drunk driving draw less ire from the populace than shootings? They're both deadly weapons. They both kill innocent people.

The biggest difference? One was an accident, the other was intentional. So why do we blame guns and not cars? Cars are incredibly dangerous, probably more than we give them credit, but we always blame the driver. The driver is the asshole who drank and drove. The driver was the jackass who fell asleep at the wheel and killed someone. We pass laws to punish the driver of the vehicle because that's where the blame lies.

Honestly, you want my opinion? Teach firearm safety in public schools. Expose kids to guns so they understand them better. Stop trying to hide them like they don't exist and allow kids to pick them up and hold them in a safe environment. Bring police officers into schools and teach firearm safety. I know it will never happen, but I think it would be a good idea to at least lower the deaths from accidents.

Also, we need to stop spending money on wars and start investing in schools. I honestly think that smaller class sizes would help put a stop to things like this. It would allow teachers to focus on individual students more. If parents can't be as involved in their kids lives, we need to make it possible for teachers to get more involved. This will only happen if we increase funding to schools so we can lower class sizes and increase extracurricular activities. Give them something to do. Stop taking away things like band, theater, and debate, and start giving kids a way to express themselves.

We are seriously staring down the barrel of a much bigger problem. We are falling down the rankings in terms of education in the world, we are climbing in obesity, and we are sending our kids out into the world unprepared to deal with reality. I think these shootings are just a symptom of a bigger problem. We need to do something now.

Good post., spot on. I was hunting by the time I was 11, expert marksman by the time I got to boot camp. Most of my company in boot camp were from the city, NY, Philly and Chicago.
Geez they were good at running their mouth but a sorry lot when it came time to use a weapon. Many would flinch, or tense and jerk a shot off. A man should not enter adulthood in such a deficient state.

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Good post., spot on. I was hunting by the time I was 11, expert marksman by the time I got to boot camp. Most of my company in boot camp were from the city, NY, Philly and Chicago.
Geez they were good at running their mouth but a sorry lot when it came time to use a weapon. Many would flinch, or tense and jerk a shot off. A man should not enter adulthood in such a deficient state.

Rep.

....and you probably have a quick trigger.
 
BTW, this whole thing hits close to home. My aunt has been the volleyball coach there for over 25 years.
 
He was one of us (as a Blazers brethren, not a poster here)

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Police have not released the name of the shooter, although a law-enforcement source said he was a former Reynolds student who took a bus to school Tuesday. Witnesses who greeted police at the scene told them that the shooter was wearing a black and red motorcycle helmet, black clothes and what appeared to be a flak jacket, according to police radio traffic.

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/i..._school_shooting_de_1.html#incart_maj-story-1
 
Police have not released the name of the shooter, although a law-enforcement source said he was a former Reynolds student who took a bus to school Tuesday. Witnesses who greeted police at the scene told them that the shooter was wearing a black and red motorcycle helmet, black clothes and what appeared to be a flak jacket, according to police radio traffic.

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/i..._school_shooting_de_1.html#incart_maj-story-1

What the hell was the bus driver thinking?
 
I wasn't get back into this . . . but I can't help myself.

Alcohol is highly regulated. Where and when you can buy it, where you can consume it, how you are allowed to act while intoxicated.

DUII laws and punishment can be effective. Society is very much aware of the problems of DUII and the deaths they cause and there are very powerful groups who continue to push for harder and harder punishments and treatment in hopes of preventing future deaths. Both state and federal governments spend much time and money dealing with the DUII and the innocent people that die because of it. It is unacceptable to have innocent people dying because of DUIIs and laws have responded in kind.

The big difference I see is: owning a gun is a constitutional right and thus much harder to restrict than driving which is not a right but a privilege and can be regulated without concern of the constitutional issues.

This country has and continues to progressed significantly in regulating driving and deaths caused by driving. This country has very little control and has not progressed in any significant way in regulating guns and deaths caused by guns . . . and the answer is because the gov't can strictly regulate one but not the other.

If owning a gun was a privilege instead of a constitutional right, I believe a lot of these issues could be dealt with. But it is not, the fact it is a constitutional right to own a gun very much limits what the gov't can do to try and prevent these occur like today from happening.

It is actually a very good example, in my mind, of how gov't regulation can help improve society when they are allowed.

RR7 didn't talk about regulating alcohol. He talked about DUI laws. I was merely pointing out that DUI laws don't serve as much of a deterrent, as people still drive drunk. They are merely a way of (hopefully) removing drunk drivers from behind the wheel after they've been caught. Of course, that asshole up in Washington had something like 7 DUI convictions and was still driving his Italian sports car.

You're right, owning a gun is a constitutional right. There's a reason why it's a constitutional right, and there's a reason why some people would be willing to go to war over that right.

But you're wrong about the regulation of guns. There are examples of cities in America that have tried to regulate firearms. Chicago, Washington DC, and the state of California have all tried to regulate firearms. They have banned semi-automatic rifles. They have banned semi-automatic pistols. They have tried to remove firearms from the streets and yet they are still some of the most dangerous places in the country. There is one thing that you can take to the bank, and that's the simple fact that criminals are going to break the law.

It doesn't matter if you make guns harder to buy because they will find a way to get their hands on them. Many of the shootings were done with stolen firearms. Nobody has been able to explain how regulating guns will actually accomplish anything. All they say is that we have to do something. It doesn't matter what we do, we just have to do something! The house is on fire and some of you are outside trying to put out the fire with a garden hose. It's not going to work. You have to find the root of the problem and put a stop to it. It's a gas fire and you need to turn off the gas. Figure out why these kids are doing what they're doing and start working to prevent further shootings.

The guns are not causing the shootings. They are the method chosen by the killer. It is the children who have a break from reality that are causing the shootings. That is where we need to focus and that is where we need to put a stop to this kind of thinking.
 
This is the 74th school shooting since Sandy Hook

That list includes several solo suicides, including the one in Bend, OR.

It's incredibly dishonest and downright disgusting for the media and anti-gun lobby to group good kids who lost a battle with depression in a chart with a bunch of hateful, evil-as-they-come worthless murderers.

But the media wants more anti-gun press, so they create more school murders by how they "report" school murders. First off, they never use the words murder or murderer. How's that for hard-hitting factual reporting? They are now always called shootings, and shooters, even if a gun was never the main weapon used.

Want to stop kids from murdering kids? Quit ignoring their gruesome crimes. Stop giving them a pass by naively blaming an inanimate object that has been on hand for centuries. Call a murderer a murderer. Call a coward a coward. Stop making them into misunderstood folk heroes. Stop encouraging losers to look up to them

Plaster the little murderers faces on the front page with the word MURDERER across it. Describe their vile acts, the pain and suffering they caused, and the fact that these COWARDLY acts are INEXCUSABLE.
 
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BTW, this whole thing hits close to home. My aunt has been the volleyball coach there for over 25 years.

For me as well. Todd and I were a couple years apart, but friends through other friends. I remember him breaking his neck in football and had to wear a cage on his head. He got it caught in a basketball net dunking one day. Ripped it right out.....worst thing I ever saw at that point.
 
RR7 didn't talk about regulating alcohol. He talked about DUI laws. I was merely pointing out that DUI laws don't serve as much of a deterrent, as people still drive drunk. They are merely a way of (hopefully) removing drunk drivers from behind the wheel after they've been caught. Of course, that asshole up in Washington had something like 7 DUI convictions and was still driving his Italian sports car.

You're right, owning a gun is a constitutional right. There's a reason why it's a constitutional right, and there's a reason why some people would be willing to go to war over that right.

But you're wrong about the regulation of guns. There are examples of cities in America that have tried to regulate firearms. Chicago, Washington DC, and the state of California have all tried to regulate firearms. They have banned semi-automatic rifles. They have banned semi-automatic pistols. They have tried to remove firearms from the streets and yet they are still some of the most dangerous places in the country. There is one thing that you can take to the bank, and that's the simple fact that criminals are going to break the law.

It doesn't matter if you make guns harder to buy because they will find a way to get their hands on them. Many of the shootings were done with stolen firearms. Nobody has been able to explain how regulating guns will actually accomplish anything. All they say is that we have to do something. It doesn't matter what we do, we just have to do something! The house is on fire and some of you are outside trying to put out the fire with a garden hose. It's not going to work. You have to find the root of the problem and put a stop to it. It's a gas fire and you need to turn off the gas. Figure out why these kids are doing what they're doing and start working to prevent further shootings.

The guns are not causing the shootings. They are the method chosen by the killer. It is the children who have a break from reality that are causing the shootings. That is where we need to focus and that is where we need to put a stop to this kind of thinking.

I do understand guns can be regulated, my point was it can't be regulated the way alcohol and driving can. If the gov't could have unfettered regulation of guns, I believe they could actually change a lot of this and alcohol and DUII laws are a great example of effective gov't regulation to change society for the better.
 
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I do understand guns can be regulated, my point was it can't be regulated the way alcohol and driving can. If the gov't could have unfettered regulation of guns, I believe they could actually change a lot of this and alcohol and DUII laws are a great example of effective gov't regulation to change society for the better.

If nothing changed but the govt regulating guns, we'd still have these murders. The murderers would be either using home-made guns, stolen guns, 3d printed guns, OR bombs, knives.


Nate's right in that we have to get to the root of the issue and stop trying to think its the tools that cause the problem.
 
My dad teaches there. Yesterday was a rough one for us especially since he doesn't have a cell phone.
 
BTW, this whole thing hits close to home. My aunt has been the volleyball coach there for over 25 years.

She probably knows my ex girlfriend. Her and her sister where awesome volleyball players at Reynolds, then Mt Hood CC, and finished at Western Oregon.
 
Have they released a motive yet? Was the shooter targeting the kid he killed?
 
This thread is jumping. Local shootings are more exciting than national shootings.
 
If nothing changed but the govt regulating guns, we'd still have these murders. The murderers would be either using home-made guns, stolen guns, 3d printed guns, OR bombs, knives.


Nate's right in that we have to get to the root of the issue and stop trying to think its the tools that cause the problem.

I agree that you have to attack this problem from all angles. But the access to guns is a big problem, IMO. I do recognize it's a constitutional right so easy access will always be there in our society.
 

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