Politics Should schools teach Critical Race Theory?

[julius]

It's a rhetorical question. The real question, though, is, just how did Sowell acquire these so-called "self-hating views" while essentially being disliked by the Black community as dviss had described?

Again, I enjoyed watching the Uncle Tom documentary last evening. You should really check it out.

I don't know, but you know who should probably tell dviss how he, as a black man, should feel about things, or how other black people feel about stuff?


A white guy living in Tennessee.

 

[ABM]

I'm not really sure you, of all people on this board, should be talking shit about what other people say. There's a reason why your reputation around race/politics/religion is ridiculed on here so much.

Hey, so, I'm in the minority in here. I can take it, despite your mini-scoldings. LOL

 

[ABM]

I don't know, but you know who should probably tell dviss how he, as a black man, should feel about things, or how other black people feel about stuff?


A white guy living in Tennessee.

When individually addressed, I respond how I respond. Thanks just the same, coach.

 

[crandc]

Changing subject again.

Both Elder and Owens support the big lie of stolen election. The seniors taking selfies on January 6 is a direct quote from Owens. Elder wrote in a badly written book that companies should be allowed to fire pregnant employees because they cost too much; in fact they should be able to legally ask female applicants if they plan to become pregnant in the future and if so refuse to hire them. These can all be easily verified. I realize you can admire someone without agreeing with everything they say but you have refused repeated requests to say what you admire about those two, changing subject each time.

 

[ABM]

I don't need to know you to know you're not smart enough to be as arrogant and condescending as you are. You get things wrong so many times on here, it's laughable.

I also don't need to know minstrel to know he could walk circles around you intelligence wise, but he doesn't come off smug and arrogant like you.

Usually people who are condescending or smug in their personality, are the people who really have no business being condescending and smug.

Arrogant and condescending? Got it. And what does minstrel have to do with anything here? Look, I have opposing views of most in here...and the ranks kinda like to lock arms a bit. Let's just leave it at that,

 

[ABM]

Changing subject again.

Both Elder and Owens support the big lie of stolen election. The seniors taking selfies on January 6 is a direct quote from Owens. Elder wrote in a badly written book that companies should be allowed to fire pregnant employees because they cost too much; in fact they should be able to legally ask female applicants if they plan to become pregnant in the future and if so refuse to hire them. These can all be easily verified. I realize you can admire someone without agreeing with everything they say but you have refused repeated requests to say what you admire about those two, changing subject each time.

Guess I'll just have to take you at your word.

No comment.

 

[julius]

Arrogant and condescending? Got it. And what does minstrel have to do with anything here? Look, I have opposing views of most in here...and the ranks kinda like to lock arms a bit. Let's just leave it at that,

I think you might want to look up with "arrogant and condescending" in the dictionary, because almost every one of your posts drips in it.

And the point of bringing up Minstrel was that like you, I don't know him. But what I do know about him is that he's clearly very intelligent. He's smarter than you are or I am, but he doesn't come off as sounding like he's better than us, or smug like you do.

It's so funny how you say "I'm not racist" and then post something that is racism 101, and then you say "I'm not smug/condescending" and then follow that up by saying shit that is so patronizing.

You ever wonder why almost every single post you make on here turns into an argument? Not a debate, but an argument??

 

[julius]

Guess I'll just have to take you at your word.

No comment.

Nope, not condescending at all.

 

[ABM]

I think you might want to look up with "arrogant and condescending" in the dictionary, because almost every one of your posts drips in it.

And the point of bringing up Minstrel was that like you, I don't know him. But what I do know about him is that he's clearly very intelligent. He's smarter than you are or I am, but he doesn't come off as sounding like he's better than us, or smug like you do.

It's so funny how you say "I'm not racist" and then post something that is racism 101, and then you say "I'm not smug/condescending" and then follow that up by saying shit that is so patronizing.

You ever wonder why almost every single post you make on here turns into an argument? Not a debate, but an argument??

My question was, why were you specifically bringing up minstrel?

I'm not a racist. Please show me where you think I am.

Many/most in here absolutely hate many of the values I have. There's your clue.

 

[ABM]

Nope, not condescending at all.

Nope, she's calling me out to comment on assertions she's made. I simply asked her to provide documentation. Per her request, I recently provided further documentation regarding a post I had made. I was simply asking her for the same courtesy. She didn't do that so I simply said no comment.

 

[julius]

Nobody can convince me that ABM is not racist at this point, especially not himself since he deflects every attempt at clarifying himself

the worst part is when you say you're not something (racist, sexist, etc) by referencing the exact things that someone who is that, would do.

"I'm not sexist, and the proof of that is that I totally love and support this person that has sexist values"

 

[julius]

Well, now, here's an example of arrogance/mockery: Sidling up next to someone else, and devise and describe your assumed stories as if they're absolute fact.

Invest in a dictionary, please.

 

[ABM]

Invest in a dictionary, please.

Oh, and condescending, to boot.

 

[julius]

Oh, and condescending, to boot.

that happens when you are a college graduate, it's one of the classes they force you to take.

 

[dviss1]

I see a lot of your posts in here. I sense you're just an angry know-it-all. Could be wrong, though.

To be a black man in this nation you have to have the best anger management of anyone in this country...

402 years of this shit and we never stormed the capital. The people you support stormed the capital for the exact opposite reason...
THOSE are the angry ones... Figure that shit out..

Never tell anyone how to respond to oppression you will never feel.

 

[julius]

To be a black man in this nation you have to have the best anger management of anyone in this country...

402 years of this shit and we never stormed the capital. The people you support stormed the capital for the exact opposite reason...
THOSE are the angry ones... Figure that shit out..

Never tell anyone how to respond to oppression you will never feel.

could you imagine the shit storm that would've happened HAD the people who stormed the capitol/senate etc, been a predominantly black/minority group??

Oh my god, there would've been carnage.

 

[dviss1]

could you imagine the shit storm that would've happened HAD the people who stormed the capitol/senate etc, been a predominantly black/minority group??

Oh my god, there would've been carnage.

It's why we haven't done it... Do you see the difference in police response to any leftist protest?

Right wing haters get police escorts into downtown Portland, they terrorize people, then leave back to their enclave of hate where their racism can fester... It's going to get worse before it gets better and folks like ABM are itching for it to happen...

See how crazy they got after the Census results?

 

[julius]

It's why we haven't done it... Do you see the difference in police response to any leftist protest?

Right wing haters get police escorts into downtown Portland, they terrorize people, then leave back to their enclave of hate where their racism can fester... It's going to get worse before it gets better and folks like ABM are itching for it to happen...

See how crazy they got after the Census results?

Yep. Right wingers get high fives, and confirmations from the police, get asked if they're "ok" when they get taken down and arrested.

The guy who FIRED A GUN the other day was *released*.

Selling stolen cigs? Choked out and killed.

Allegedly passing phony bills (whether or not he did it isn't the point)? choked out and killed.

Someone who drove from *another* state and killed a protester? not killed and made into a folk hero by the right.

People are just desperate to find any reason to hang one of them "******'s" from a tree.

 

[ABM]

To be a black man in this nation you have to have the best anger management of anyone in this country...

402 years of this shit and we never stormed the capital. The people you support stormed the capital for the exact opposite reason...
THOSE are the angry ones... Figure that shit out..

Never tell anyone how to respond to oppression you will never feel.

OK, I apologize to you for calling you an angry know-it-all. I've just seen a number of your posts in here, in many threads, regarding various subjects and conversations. Nonetheless, I generalized, and I don't like it when people do that as it relates to me.

Now then, I've posted in here numerous times, that I absolutely disagreed with that whole Jan. 6th travesty/tragedy. I moved on from Trump soon after the election. Would not vote for him again.

You'll have to explain to me the "self-hating" aspects of Sowell, Booker T. Washington, Elder, et al. I mean, I'm convinced there are millions of Black folks who believe the same. That said, I'm a Conservative, and this issue appears to fall down political lines. True? No? Then there's the Woodson Center that I've cited in here a number of times. I financially support this organization because I believe in their mission. Do you have issues with them and/or their mission?

https://woodsoncenter.org/

Also, I really enjoyed this documentary. You may bash it, but it does allude to many positive things going on in the Black community.

 

[Chris Craig]

To be a black man in this nation you have to have the best anger management of anyone in this country...

402 years of this shit and we never stormed the capital. The people you support stormed the capital for the exact opposite reason...
THOSE are the angry ones... Figure that shit out..

Never tell anyone how to respond to oppression you will never feel.

You know this wasn't the first time right wing white men stormed DC. Not nearly.. and I'm not talking about the KKK marches that have taken place there. Back in 1848 when Polk was president, some 77 slaves tried to escape via a ship called the Pearl on the Potomac. They escaped in the night and hid beneath the deck of the ship with the help of its captains. The ship slowly made its way up the Potomac. They thought they had made it. But, the slave owners realized the slaves had escape and put together a posse. They commandeered a steamship and overtook the pearl.

They imprisoned the captains and moved the slaves further south to keep them from escaping again.

Afterwards mobs of these pro slave white men rioted in DC because they were afraid of losing their social order.

Polk and those in charge were able to stop the riots. While Polk ordered that no federal workers were to take part in the riot or they would be prosecuted, it seems the riots were ended because Polk and those he sent to stop it were able to appeal to these men's inclinations.

But, we shouldn't be teaching our kids about moments in history like this though according to Owen's and others on the right.

 

[dviss1]

OK, I apologize to you for calling you an angry know-it-all. I've just seen a number of your posts in here, in many threads, regarding various subjects and conversations. Nonetheless, I generalized, and I don't like it when people do that as it relates to me.

Now then, I've posted in here numerous times, that I absolutely disagreed with that whole Jan. 6th travesty/tragedy. I moved on from Trump soon after the election. Would not vote for him again.

You'll have to explain to me the "self-hating" aspects of Sowell, Booker T. Washington, Elder, et al. I mean, I'm convinced there are millions of Black folks who believe the same. That said, I'm a Conservative, and this issue appears to fall down political lines. True? No? Then there's the Woodson Center that I've cited in here a number of times. I financially support this organization because I believe in their mission. Do you have issues with them and/or their mission?

https://woodsoncenter.org/

Also, I really enjoyed this documentary. You may bash it, but it does allude to many positive things going on in the Black community.

Bro.... YOU DON'T KNOW US... Stop acting like you do...

 

[julius]

You know this wasn't the first time right wing white men stormed DC. Not nearly.. and I'm not talking about the KKK marches that have taken place there. Back in 1848 when Polk was president, some 77 slaves tried to escape via a ship called the Pearl on the Potomac. They escaped in the night and hid beneath the deck of the ship with the help of its captains. The ship slowly made its way up the Potomac. They thought they had made it. But, the slave owners realized the slaves had escape and put together a posse. They commandeered a steamship and overtook the pearl.

They imprisoned the captains and moved the slaves further south to keep them from escaping again.

Afterwards mobs of these pro slave white men rooted in DC because they were afraid of losing their social order.

Polk and those in charge were able to stop the riots. While Polk ordered that No federal workers were to take part in the riot or they would be prosecuted, it seems the riots were ended because Polk and those he sent to stop it were able to appeal to these men's inclinations.

But, we shouldn't be teaching our kids about moments in history like this though according to Owen's and others on the right.

I'm embarrassed to say I never knew about that.

 

[dviss1]

I'm embarrassed to say I never knew about that.

That's the thing ABM doesn't get. Not only was my history stolen from me (go back to Africa? MF there are 54 countries in Africa! It's a goddamn continent not a country!) but so was his! We've all been lied to. They hid lots of shit that was done to us. Public education whitewashed history.
So much so we still celebrate Columbus... They invented race and then say shit like "why's it always gotta be about race?"

Divide and conquer is a helluva strategy... It's working till this day...

 

[ABM]

Bro.... YOU DON'T KNOW US... Stop acting like you do...

When did I every say that? One of the things I said was, I'm supporting organizations that I believe are making a difference for many, many Blacks (primarily, Blacks) and other minorities. You never answered me regarding the Woodson Organization. Would you ever be inclined get behind them and their causes?

 

[dviss1]

When did I every say that? One of the things I said was, I'm supporting organizations that I believe are making a difference for many, many Blacks (primarily, Blacks) and other minorities. You never answered me regarding the Woodson Organization. Would you ever be inclined get behind them and their causes?

Social conservatives are weird to me. Why would I support such a capitalist ass organization??? Hell no.

I'm that socialist that you hate bro. Get used to us.

 

[Chris Craig]

That's the thing ABM doesn't get. Not only was my history stolen from me (go back to Africa? MF there are 54 countries in Africa! It's a goddamn continent not a country!) but so was his! We've all been lied to. They hid lots of shit that was done to us. Public education whitewashed history.
So much so we still celebrate Columbus... They invented race and then say shit like "why's it always gotta be about race?"

Divide and conquer is a helluva strategy... It's working till this day...

And it's continuing to be whitewashed with people on the right trying to ban critical race theory. Because a bunch of right wingers don't want to show their kids the true history of our country because they are ashamed of it or they don't want it being taught that what we did to another "race" of people was wrong.

We don't celebrate Columbus day here anymore. I am sure there are many states that still do.

Yeah, the use of religion and politics to divide people by the classification of race disgusts me.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm embarrassed to say I never knew about that.

Most don't and that's sad.

The riots were similar in ways to 2020. They didn't try to take the Capitol in 1848 that I know of. They did attack anti slavery newspapers, establishments, and anti - slavery protestors. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

 

[julius]

That's the thing ABM doesn't get. Not only was my history stolen from me (go back to Africa? MF there are 54 countries in Africa! It's a goddamn continent not a country!) but so was his! We've all been lied to. They hid lots of shit that was done to us. Public education whitewashed history.
So much so we still celebrate Columbus... They invented race and then say shit like "why's it always gotta be about race?"

Divide and conquer is a helluva strategy... It's working till this day...

It's easier to divide us and stay in power than it is to let us know and build on our history. Their power is in our ignorance/acceptance of things. our power is in knowledge.

 

[julius]

When did I every say that? One of the things I said was, I'm supporting organizations that I believe are making a difference for many, many Blacks (primarily, Blacks) and other minorities. You never answered me regarding the Woodson Organization. Would you ever be inclined get behind them and their causes?

Maybe you should pay attention to what he's saying. I don't want to speak for him (he's far more knowledgeable on the subject than I am), but it's akin to going to Canada, and telling the first nation Canadians you know more about what works for them then they do, because you heard something from 1 person who says things that allow you to hide in your bigotry.

And the "you" in this story isn't you personally.

 

[ABM]

Social conservatives are weird to me. Why would I support such a capitalist ass organization??? Hell no.

I'm that socialist that you hate bro. Get used to us.

I do understand that. As @Minstrel often says, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Doesn't mean I wouldn't want to have a beer with you, though, (that is, if you even drink beer. )