Politics Should schools teach Critical Race Theory? (3 Viewers)

[Lanny]

I mean, I guess that's one way to approach it. But I've never been one to bury my head in the sand. As a matter of fact, it's that ugly history which my people survived and in some ways thrived (think soul food and negro spirituals) which make me proud. Growing up, it was truly a source of pride in that we KNEW we were strong for the simple fact of what we'd gone through. Also, it does not have me walking around here fueled by anger or hate and that was taught to me by my mother. She was born into 1930's Alabama, then moved as a teen to 1940's Oregon, probably the most racist state outside of the south. And she still managed to have love for EVERYONE. Talk about overcoming.

My dad was from Alabama and I was born in Georgia. We moved here in the late 40s and I remember the trip.
We lived in Oswego, later renamed Lake Oswego when they merged with Lake Grove and it was incredibly racist. I knew dirty jokes about every race except the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. My father was a bit of a racist until I was 12 and that was when he went 180 degrees the other way and said he didn't blame Blacks from being angry with Whites. Actually he confessed to me that he was never really comfortable with being a racist and that was because he was a naturally curious person who didn't feel quite right about being a racist. He switched and became a flaming Liberal. I also became a flaming Liberal when I was 12 which suddenly made sense to me. My father then went on to tell me that my 1/16th Indian (Cherokee) meant that I could not attend a public school by law in the state of South Carolina and this hit me like a ton of bricks. What a bunch of backward people they are in that part of the country.
Now, Lake Oswego is decidedly Liberal. The old and stupid days are gone forever.

 

[ABM]

I mean, I guess that's one way to approach it. But I've never been one to bury my head in the sand. As a matter of fact, it's that ugly history which my people survived and in some ways thrived (think soul food and negro spirituals) which make me proud. Growing up, it was truly a source of pride in that we KNEW we were strong for the simple fact of what we'd gone through. Also, it does not have me walking around here fueled by anger or hate and that was taught to me by my mother. She was born into 1930's Alabama, then moved as a teen to 1940's Oregon, probably the most racist state outside of the south. And she still managed to have love for EVERYONE. Talk about overcoming.

Thanks for that. I don't think you and I differ at all when you talk about love for EVERYONE. That said, I suppose I do have a bit different understanding/approach to all of this than some in here. It's not the only approach. It's another approach. That's OK, though.

I really can appreciate Kay Coles James' (a Black woman) takes on some of what's going on here. She's the president of the Heritage Foundation - an organization that, for whatever reason, Sly chooses to poo-poo. Here is a piece from the WSJ. It's an insightful article on the woman. I hope you'll check it out. I'll copy the last few paragraphs.

On Being Black and Conservative
The Heritage Foundation’s president on the racial progress she’s experienced, the problems that remain, and becoming a target of Fox host Tucker Carlson.

.......Mrs. James almost sputters—“You can tell that I struggle even to find the words”—when I ask what she thinks of the New York Times’s “1619 Project,” which attempts “to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619,” when the first slaves were brought to Jamestown, Va., “as our true founding.”

That dubious history, Mrs. James says, hurts the cause of racial reconciliation. “It does harm because it creates a false narrative about what the real problem is, and if you don’t understand what the real problem is, you can’t come up with real solutions,” she says. “If the real problem is the individuals in this country who still harbor [racism], then I think you need to come up with some ideas for how to influence individuals in this country to change.”

She has two ideas for conservatives who are “looking for a prescription about what we can do at this moment in our country’s history. First, push back against the left’s assault on American institutions. Second, “showing up and being there” individually. “It is amazing to me how often we don’t show up.”

Mrs. James has been showing up for decades. She served as an assistant secretary of health and human services during George H.W. Bush’s administration and in George W. Bush’s White House. She was a spokeswoman for the National Right to Life Committee. She became president of Heritage in 2018, and last year she was “canceled” for the first time. Google employees signed a letter decrying her inclusion on an artificial-intelligence advisory committee, which the company then abandoned.


Mrs. James also shows up at the Gloucester Institute, a nonprofit she founded in Virginia that operates leadership and educational programs for minority college students. The organization says it works with hundreds of students a year, and Mrs. James meets with students and alumni several times annually for conferences, mentoring and informal discussions. One of its objectives is to “cultivate a society of ‘solutionists’ within minority communities,” according to its website.

“My heart’s desire there,” Mrs. James says, “is to raise up a generation of future leaders who can employ critical thinking, who can dissect arguments, who can work across ideological, philosophical and party lines to solve the most important problems of the day.”

She describes her own conservatism not only as a political philosophy but a common-sense outgrowth of her experience. “The reason that I am a conservative today is because I know—I have seen with my own eyes, I have experienced it in my own life, I know—that conservative values and principles win the day,” she says.

Mrs. James has never shied away from race. “Being black means something,” she wrote in 1995. “If you want to know me, want to understand me, want to be my friend, then you must want to know what being black is.” But unlike today’s progressives, she doesn’t disavow “colorblindness.” It is “something we aspire to,” she says. But “I celebrate the fact that in the African-American community we have a rich culture that I have no interest in erasing.”

In the present unrest, Mrs. James takes encouragement from what she’s seen in America since her childhood in that newly integrated Richmond school. “Out of all that came someone, me, who genuinely believes that this is not a racist nation,” she says. “But it is a nation where race is still a factor and still matters and it still exists within men’s hearts. I by nature am an optimist and I by nature recognize the redemptive power that can exist within one’s own heart.”

Do young black students in the Gloucester program share her hopeful outlook about America?

She doesn’t hesitate: “Oh, they really do.”

 

[ABM]

Press announcements are now a dime a dozen, so that don't mean a thing.

I was simply responding to something Sly said.

 

[ABM]

Whatever that means.

 

[crandc]

I suppose if this was Germany we would hear I love the Jews and let's talk about the accomplishments of Jewish people and not the ugly history.

Do you know Hitler cited Jim Crow laws in American South as model for Nuremberg laws?

Studies show Black people are much less likely to receive aid from FEMA following a disaster than white people with comparable losses. Investigation shows FEMA is not deliberately discriminating. But to receive compensation for loss during disaster a person must show proof of ownership of property. For a century and more Black people were shut out of the court system. So if a Black person managed to acquire property he or she would simply tell the children who got what and it continued through generations with no written title. Hence no legal proof of ownership. This is taught in law school under rubric of critical race theory as an example of a legal practice that even though no longer in place still results in racial discrimination. That is what is being banned.

Last night watched PBS program on Marian Anderson. Should they have just talked about her beautiful voice and ignored racism she faced her whole life? How even when internationally famous she still couldn't eat in many American restaurants?

 

[ABM]

I suppose if this was Germany we would hear I love the Jews and let's talk about the accomplishments of Jewish people and not the ugly history.

Do you know Hitler cited Jim Crow laws in American South as model for Nuremberg laws?

Studies show Black people are much less likely to receive aid from FEMA following a disaster than white people with comparable losses. Investigation shows FEMA is not deliberately discriminating. But to receive compensation for loss during disaster a person must show proof of ownership of property. For a century and more Black people were shut out of the court system. So if a Black person managed to acquire property he or she would simply tell the children who got what and it continued through generations with no written title. Hence no legal proof of ownership. This is taught in law school under rubric of critical race theory as an example of a legal practice that even though no longer in place still results in racial discrimination. That is what is being banned.

Meanwhile, organizations such as the Woodson Center are rolling up their collective sleeves and gettin' at the business of helping lives on a daily basis.

https://woodsoncenter.org/how-we-help/programs/

 

[crandc]

How can you solve a problem if you deny it exists?

 

[ABM]

How can you solve a problem if you deny it exists?

Did you read the article I shared about Kay Coles James?

Here's a vid, as well.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news...-theory-and-celebrating-juneteenth/vi-AAL9d5S

 

[crandc]

I did look her up. She is defending voter suppression laws.

 

[Lanny]

Thanks for that. I don't think you and I differ at all when you talk about love for EVERYONE. That said, I suppose I do have a bit different understanding/approach to all of this than some in here. It's not the only approach. It's another approach. That's OK, though.

I really can appreciate Kay Coles James' (a Black woman) takes on some of what's going on here. She's the president of the Heritage Foundation - an organization that, for whatever reason, Sly chooses to poo-poo. Here is a piece from the WSJ. It's an insightful article on the woman. I hope you'll check it out. I'll copy the last few paragraphs.

On Being Black and Conservative
The Heritage Foundation’s president on the racial progress she’s experienced, the problems that remain, and becoming a target of Fox host Tucker Carlson.

.......Mrs. James almost sputters—“You can tell that I struggle even to find the words”—when I ask what she thinks of the New York Times’s “1619 Project,” which attempts “to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619,” when the first slaves were brought to Jamestown, Va., “as our true founding.”

That dubious history, Mrs. James says, hurts the cause of racial reconciliation. “It does harm because it creates a false narrative about what the real problem is, and if you don’t understand what the real problem is, you can’t come up with real solutions,” she says. “If the real problem is the individuals in this country who still harbor [racism], then I think you need to come up with some ideas for how to influence individuals in this country to change.”

She has two ideas for conservatives who are “looking for a prescription about what we can do at this moment in our country’s history. First, push back against the left’s assault on American institutions. Second, “showing up and being there” individually. “It is amazing to me how often we don’t show up.”

Mrs. James has been showing up for decades. She served as an assistant secretary of health and human services during George H.W. Bush’s administration and in George W. Bush’s White House. She was a spokeswoman for the National Right to Life Committee. She became president of Heritage in 2018, and last year she was “canceled” for the first time. Google employees signed a letter decrying her inclusion on an artificial-intelligence advisory committee, which the company then abandoned.


Mrs. James also shows up at the Gloucester Institute, a nonprofit she founded in Virginia that operates leadership and educational programs for minority college students. The organization says it works with hundreds of students a year, and Mrs. James meets with students and alumni several times annually for conferences, mentoring and informal discussions. One of its objectives is to “cultivate a society of ‘solutionists’ within minority communities,” according to its website.

“My heart’s desire there,” Mrs. James says, “is to raise up a generation of future leaders who can employ critical thinking, who can dissect arguments, who can work across ideological, philosophical and party lines to solve the most important problems of the day.”

She describes her own conservatism not only as a political philosophy but a common-sense outgrowth of her experience. “The reason that I am a conservative today is because I know—I have seen with my own eyes, I have experienced it in my own life, I know—that conservative values and principles win the day,” she says.

Mrs. James has never shied away from race. “Being black means something,” she wrote in 1995. “If you want to know me, want to understand me, want to be my friend, then you must want to know what being black is.” But unlike today’s progressives, she doesn’t disavow “colorblindness.” It is “something we aspire to,” she says. But “I celebrate the fact that in the African-American community we have a rich culture that I have no interest in erasing.”

In the present unrest, Mrs. James takes encouragement from what she’s seen in America since her childhood in that newly integrated Richmond school. “Out of all that came someone, me, who genuinely believes that this is not a racist nation,” she says. “But it is a nation where race is still a factor and still matters and it still exists within men’s hearts. I by nature am an optimist and I by nature recognize the redemptive power that can exist within one’s own heart.”

Do young black students in the Gloucester program share her hopeful outlook about America?

She doesn’t hesitate: “Oh, they really do.”

ABM, you are a very good person although in my opinion your politics are all fucked up. However, politics is not my feeling about an adult's caliber. Hence in my opinion, in spite of your mystifying love of the worst in politics you are tops and I take my hat off to you in front of anyone, anytime.
If friends couldn't look past blemishes here and there we'd have no friends and Lord knows I've got more than my share of blemishes and thank God my wife can still remind me. As you know, I'm a religious man, so it shouldn't be a surprise that Christ is my prime example of the ability to look past a person's blemishes.

 

[crandc]

Organization not only wants to sanitize history to pretend racism didn't happen, they oppose marriage equality or civil unions and have said homosexuality is incompatible with military service.

Woodson appeared on white supremacist Tucker Carlson's program to denounce social services as bad for Black people because rich white guys are best judge. He hailed Trump election. Clearly the best expert on race relations.

 

[ABM]

I mean, I guess that's one way to approach it. But I've never been one to bury my head in the sand. As a matter of fact, it's that ugly history which my people survived and in some ways thrived (think soul food and negro spirituals) which make me proud. Growing up, it was truly a source of pride in that we KNEW we were strong for the simple fact of what we'd gone through. Also, it does not have me walking around here fueled by anger or hate and that was taught to me by my mother. She was born into 1930's Alabama, then moved as a teen to 1940's Oregon, probably the most racist state outside of the south. And she still managed to have love for EVERYONE. Talk about overcoming.

On a slightly different note, I'm really looking forward to watching this this evening:

 

[ABM]

Organization not only wants to sanitize history to pretend racism didn't happen, they oppose marriage equality or civil unions and have said homosexuality is incompatible with military service.

Woodson appeared on white supremacist Tucker Carlson's program to denounce social services as bad for Black people because rich white guys are best judge. He hailed Trump election. Clearly the best expert on race relations.

Call him what you may, but he's continued to make multiple efforts on behalf of his Black brothers and sisters over the decades.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/02/25/the-missed-opportunity-of-robert-woodson

https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/woodson-sr-robert-l-1937/

 

[crandc]

Right wing antigay Trump supporting white evangelicals "respond" to throughly researched award winning history with sanitized history. Make Trump happy although he will never read it. Avoid making white people uncomfortable.

I heard about the Nazis before I started school. Was given Children of Vietnam, with pictures of what napalm does, at 11 and Rise and Fall of the Third Reich at 13. I guess my parents, who experienced great depression, fascism, McCarthy witch hunts wanted me to learn facts and not fairy tales.

 

[ABM]

Right wing antigay Trump supporting white evangelicals "respond" to throughly researched award winning history with sanitized history. Make Trump happy although he will never read it. Avoid making white people uncomfortable.

I heard about the Nazis before I started school. Was given Children of Vietnam, with pictures of what napalm does, at 11 and Rise and Fall of the Third Reich at 13. I guess my parents, who experienced great depression, fascism, McCarthy witch hunts wanted me to learn facts and not fairy tales.

I think you left out the killing fields.

 

[crandc]

Killing Fields was later, I was an adult.

A Missouri school district forced the resignation of the only Black administrator, after she faced threats and protests from white parents. Her crime was making available the children's book Ron's Big Mission by late Challenger astronaut Ron McNair, talking about as a young boy wanting to get a book from the local library and being told he couldn't because Black children weren't allowed to check out books. Young Ron stood up to authorities and eventually was allowed to check out books. Some would call him an American hero, but the story might make white people uncomfortable. So the book and administrator had to go.

 

[Lanny]

Organization not only wants to sanitize history to pretend racism didn't happen, they oppose marriage equality or civil unions and have said homosexuality is incompatible with military service.

Woodson appeared on white supremacist Tucker Carlson's program to denounce social services as bad for Black people because rich white guys are best judge. He hailed Trump election. Clearly the best expert on race relations.

These people are ass holes of the highest degree. You could call them wannabe Nazis and we all know how bad they were, nearly taking over the world.

 

[Lanny]

Right wing antigay Trump supporting white evangelicals "respond" to throughly researched award winning history with sanitized history. Make Trump happy although he will never read it. Avoid making white people uncomfortable.

I heard about the Nazis before I started school. Was given Children of Vietnam, with pictures of what napalm does, at 11 and Rise and Fall of the Third Reich at 13. I guess my parents, who experienced great depression, fascism, McCarthy witch hunts wanted me to learn facts and not fairy tales.

I was vehemently against the War in Vietnam, not because I thought the communists would be better for them but because of the stupid way we fought that war, making more enemies than friends. One time I was given this job of riding shotgun for the mail truck driver who picked up our mail in the airport in Saigon and brought it back to our unit in Cholon, a Chinese suburb. The driver looked for bicycles and small motorbikes to run off the road with our deuce and a half and into the ditch. He then went on to say how he slept with this Vietnamese girl in her home which she shared with her parents. All he had to do was bring food to them from the commissary. He told me how he had gotten her pregnant and wanted to go back to the states abandoning her and the child. I hated his guts. I heard other GIs calling them every demeaning name they could think of including mama sahn for Vietnamese bar girls and gook for all Vietnamese. Mama sahn correctly refers to a type of Japanese women and gook is Korean. Americans are mee gook, Chinese are joong gook, Koreans are hahn gook, English are yoong gook, Germans oddly enough are Dohg eel and you get the picture. Most people from other countries are correctly given Korean names that end in gook.

 

[ABM]

I did look her up. She is defending voter suppression laws.

Hmmm.....I wonder how she'll respond to that assertion?

 

[Hoopguru]

ABM, you are a very good person although in my opinion your politics are all fucked up. However, politics is not my feeling about an adult's caliber. Hence in my opinion, in spite of your mystifying love of the worst in politics you are tops and I take my hat off to you in front of anyone, anytime.
If friends couldn't look past blemishes here and there we'd have no friends and Lord knows I've got more than my share of blemishes and thank God my wife can still remind me. As you know, I'm a religious man, so it shouldn't be a surprise that Christ is my prime example of the ability to look past a person's blemishes.

Bravo....we need more of this! My mother was a religious person and I struggle with religion but she had a way of serving some of her religion that made some since. She would say, "when we all stand before God, it wont be for how right we were for how we lived, but rather just how wrong everyone was in their views which suppressed the ability to come together with love and compassion.

 

[barfo]

Hmmm.....I wonder how she'll respond to that assertion?

With a completely hollow denial.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Hmmm.....I wonder how she'll respond to that assertion?

Ms. James title and description of her discussion are an oxymoron.

 

[ABM]

With a completely hollow denial.

barfo

30-second spots are generally incomplete.

FWIW....(and I just realized) Kay C. James has resigned from per positions at the Heritage Foundation:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/544310-heritage-foundation-president-resigns

From what I understand, she's now focusing her energies on running the Gloucester Institute:

https://gloucesterinstitute.org/about-us/founder-board-chair/

 

[crandc]

Election integrity is Republican speak for keep Black people from voting and any election they lose is rigged.

@ABM I have asked question after question which you have ignored. That is your right. You have gone off on multiple tangents and that is your right. Latest is promoting antigay right wing Trump supporting white evangelical group and their shiny clean version of history. That is your right as well but don't expect me to buy what you are selling.

 

[ABM]

Election integrity is Republican speak for keep Black people from voting and any election they lose is rigged.

@ABM I have asked question after question which you have ignored. That is your right. You have gone off on multiple tangents and that is your right. Latest is promoting antigay right wing Trump supporting white evangelical group and their shiny clean version of history. That is your right as well but don't expect me to buy what you are selling.

I'm not voting for Trump (if he runs). Nor am I rah-rahing all the BLM, CRT, or other such efforts. I'm simply being me...supporting the causes that I feel are doing things in the trenches...and carrying on. I don't need to wave a big flag, march in a demonstration, nor bark in a megaphone, etc. in doing such. Boots on the ground (supporting Woodson Center, 1776 Unites, feeding the homeless in downtown Nashville, etc.) is where I'm at.

I'm sure there is good and bad in all those other efforts. Personally, I'd rather be focused on the grass roots causes.

You and I come from a completely different mindset, and that's OK, too. Nobody said everyone had to agree.

This musical timeout from da man. R.I.P.

 

[Hoopguru]

Rather than promote how right you are in your opinions and how wrong others are, try personal inventory, on just how you may be wrong in some of your thinking, and use it to mediate and conciliate unity, rather than divisiveness.
Im speaking to all of us, including you!

 

[theprunetang]

Thanks for that. I don't think you and I differ at all when you talk about love for EVERYONE. That said, I suppose I do have a bit different understanding/approach to all of this than some in here. It's not the only approach. It's another approach. That's OK, though.

I really can appreciate Kay Coles James' (a Black woman) takes on some of what's going on here. She's the president of the Heritage Foundation - an organization that, for whatever reason, Sly chooses to poo-poo. Here is a piece from the WSJ. It's an insightful article on the woman. I hope you'll check it out. I'll copy the last few paragraphs.

On Being Black and Conservative
The Heritage Foundation’s president on the racial progress she’s experienced, the problems that remain, and becoming a target of Fox host Tucker Carlson.

.......Mrs. James almost sputters—“You can tell that I struggle even to find the words”—when I ask what she thinks of the New York Times’s “1619 Project,” which attempts “to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619,” when the first slaves were brought to Jamestown, Va., “as our true founding.”

That dubious history, Mrs. James says, hurts the cause of racial reconciliation. “It does harm because it creates a false narrative about what the real problem is, and if you don’t understand what the real problem is, you can’t come up with real solutions,” she says. “If the real problem is the individuals in this country who still harbor [racism], then I think you need to come up with some ideas for how to influence individuals in this country to change.”

She has two ideas for conservatives who are “looking for a prescription about what we can do at this moment in our country’s history. First, push back against the left’s assault on American institutions. Second, “showing up and being there” individually. “It is amazing to me how often we don’t show up.”

Mrs. James has been showing up for decades. She served as an assistant secretary of health and human services during George H.W. Bush’s administration and in George W. Bush’s White House. She was a spokeswoman for the National Right to Life Committee. She became president of Heritage in 2018, and last year she was “canceled” for the first time. Google employees signed a letter decrying her inclusion on an artificial-intelligence advisory committee, which the company then abandoned.


Mrs. James also shows up at the Gloucester Institute, a nonprofit she founded in Virginia that operates leadership and educational programs for minority college students. The organization says it works with hundreds of students a year, and Mrs. James meets with students and alumni several times annually for conferences, mentoring and informal discussions. One of its objectives is to “cultivate a society of ‘solutionists’ within minority communities,” according to its website.

“My heart’s desire there,” Mrs. James says, “is to raise up a generation of future leaders who can employ critical thinking, who can dissect arguments, who can work across ideological, philosophical and party lines to solve the most important problems of the day.”

She describes her own conservatism not only as a political philosophy but a common-sense outgrowth of her experience. “The reason that I am a conservative today is because I know—I have seen with my own eyes, I have experienced it in my own life, I know—that conservative values and principles win the day,” she says.

Mrs. James has never shied away from race. “Being black means something,” she wrote in 1995. “If you want to know me, want to understand me, want to be my friend, then you must want to know what being black is.” But unlike today’s progressives, she doesn’t disavow “colorblindness.” It is “something we aspire to,” she says. But “I celebrate the fact that in the African-American community we have a rich culture that I have no interest in erasing.”

In the present unrest, Mrs. James takes encouragement from what she’s seen in America since her childhood in that newly integrated Richmond school. “Out of all that came someone, me, who genuinely believes that this is not a racist nation,” she says. “But it is a nation where race is still a factor and still matters and it still exists within men’s hearts. I by nature am an optimist and I by nature recognize the redemptive power that can exist within one’s own heart.”

Do young black students in the Gloucester program share her hopeful outlook about America?

She doesn’t hesitate: “Oh, they really do.”

This is some straight up bullshit.

 

[crandc]

I don't feel much love from people who want to take away my civil rights.
Or erase history.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]