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blazerkor said:
While I was the one that proposed the deal the financials might be something that would logically keep the team from doing it. We would not dodge the tax this season. We would have ~114M committed to three players. We would still have 8 players under contract for around 140M and I think the luxury tax will start at 145M. Then there's re-signing Ant that we'll be lucky to get done at around 15M. So I think that as far as talent and fit, the trade does make sense but financially it might put us in a hard place.
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It's too bad I'm not the owner. Cuz if I was worth $25 billion, I wouldn't worry about $100 million tax every year if I had a great team.
 
Would Dame, Simmons & Harris be a solid enough core to build a contender around?
Simmons may not be a pure shooter but he can score a lot better than anyone we currently have in the front court, plus defend at s high level.
Harris is also better 3/4 than anyone we currently have.
Yep, the Harris contract sucks, but I rather pay Dame & Harris than Dame & CJ. We've had the same holes in our roster for a few years, this would solve it in quick fashion.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, if that could get the deal done with the Sixers I'd be all for it. That does mean that we'd be over the luxury tax before even re-signing Ant next season. If we did re-sign Ant for 15M in the first year of the contract, we would start the season with Dame, Norm, Nas, Harris, Simmons, Ant, Larry and GB3 under contract for around 162M plus 14M more for minimum salary guys and we'd be 31M into the tax.
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Harris at $41m in 2023-24 is a disgusting amount to be paying for solid third guy and an underperforming second guy. You would think becoming the second option would increase his numbers. Instead, he’s scoring less and on significantly worse efficiency.
I’d rather let Little develop. And I can still extend him for WAY less than $40m a year. You would still have a hole at C, at which you can’t fill because you’re stuck paying $38.5m and $41m to your SF over the next two years even though you have a 22 year old SF that SHOULD be getting those minutes.
But it’s easier to say that when you’re not stuck with the bill. I’ll say this—I’d rather “overpay” Simons $20m a year than be stuck with Harris for an average $39m a year.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
It's too bad I'm not the owner. Cuz if I was worth $25 billion, I wouldn't worry about $100 million tax every year if I had a great team.
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We all say that until we get a little bit of money lol. And to be fair, that wouln’t be a great team, so there is that.
 
Hoopguru said:
Would Dame, Simmons & Harris be a solid enough core to build a contender around?
Simmons may not be a pure shooter but he can score a lot better than anyone we currently have in the front court, plus defend at s high level.
Harris is also better 3/4 than anyone we currently have.
Yep, the Harris contract sucks, but I rather pay Dame & Harris than Dame & CJ. We've had the same holes in our roster for a few years, this would solve it in quick fashion.
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You know who might also be a better 3/4 than anyone we currently have but he’ll be making WAY less than an average $40m a year? Joe Ingles.

LOL and that was just off the top of my head. Don’t need to even look at this free agency class or think that hard when that production comes with that price tag.

Tobias Harris is fast fashion…if fast fashion came with Luxury brand prices. Sometimes a cheap Nassir will be better in the long run. Maybe he’ll age well and be worth more in the future. Maybe he’ll be worth more than that $40m piece that someone else paid for, but at a fourth or half the price. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
BankTeller said:
You know who might also be a better 3/4 than anyone we currently have but he’ll be making WAY less than an average $40m a year? Joe Ingles.

LOL and that was just off the top of my head. Don’t need to even look at this free agency class or think that hard when that production comes with that price tag.

Tobias Harris is fast fashion…if fast fashion came with Luxury brand prices. Sometimes a cheap Nassir will be better in the long run. Maybe he’ll age well and be worth more in the future. Maybe he’ll be worth more than that $40m piece that someone else paid for, but at a fourth or half the price. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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That certainly is a strong case against spending that kind of money.
 
Hoopguru said:
Would Dame, Simmons & Harris be a solid enough core to build a contender around?
Simmons may not be a pure shooter but he can score a lot better than anyone we currently have in the front court, plus defend at s high level.
Harris is also better 3/4 than anyone we currently have.
Yep, the Harris contract sucks, but I rather pay Dame & Harris than Dame & CJ. We've had the same holes in our roster for a few years, this would solve it in quick fashion.
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No
 
Scalma said:


That lotto pick is gonna go to Philly lol
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What do you mean? Philly is 7 games above .500. I don't think they'll fall into the play-in and if they did I don't think they'd lose but hey what the fuck do I know.
 
blazerkor said:
What do you mean? Philly is 7 games above .500. I don't think they'll fall into the play-in and if they did I don't think they'd lose but hey what the fuck do I know.
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I’m sure he meant our lotto pick is going to PHI. If it’s outside the top 5, I’m ultimately okay packaging it to PHI with CJ for Ben if that’s all it took.
 
I would absolutely not give the Sixers our pick for Simmons. No chance. So they can trot out Lillard and Simmons, and what, be a 5th seed?
 
calvin natt said:
I would absolutely not give the Sixers our pick for Simmons. No chance. So they can trot out Lillard and Simmons, and what, be a 5th seed?
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Huh? If all it took was CJ and say the #7 pick? You’d have Dame. Ant. Little. Ben. Nance. Whatever young guys and salaries come from a Nurkic Covington Powell trade. Jalen Smith would be a fantastic guy to look at in FA. You also have the picks you would get from the deadline deal(s), plus all of your own. CJ + our lotto pick on draft night (of course if it’s high enough you keep it) would be less than you would have to give up for Simmons RIGHT NOW. Who knows, maybe a guaranteed pick in the top half of the lotto makes them reconsider on CJ. Maybe you add Watford to the deal as well.
 
BankTeller said:
Huh? If all it took was CJ and say the #7 pick? You’d have Dame. Ant. Little. Ben. Nance. Whatever young guys and salaries come from a Nurkic Covington Powell trade. Jalen Smith would be a fantastic guy to look at in FA. You also have the picks you would get from the deadline deal(s), plus all of your own. CJ + our lotto pick on draft night (of course if it’s high enough you keep it) would be less than you would have to give up for Simmons RIGHT NOW. Who knows, maybe a guaranteed pick in the top half of the lotto makes them reconsider on CJ. Maybe you add Watford to the deal as well.
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And that group doesn’t win anything
 
BankTeller said:
oh LMAO my bad dude. Who at #6 or #7 do YOU think would make us better than the 5th seed just by drafting him?
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I’m saying

Lillard
Simmons
Simons
Little
Nance
“And a bunch of young guys”

Doesn’t win shit. It doesn’t beat Phoenix, GS, Denver when healthy, Utah, Memphis, likely the Lakers etc still. So therefore I would not give up a first round pick to get Simmons duuuuuuuude
 
calvin natt said:
I’m saying

Lillard
Simmons
Simons
Little
Nance
“And a bunch of young guys”

Doesn’t win shit. It doesn’t beat Phoenix, GS, Denver when healthy, Utah, Memphis, likely the Lakers etc still. So therefore I would not give up a first round pick to get Simmons duuuuuuuude
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Sooooo you can or can’t think of a guy around #6 that will suddenly help our team win shit? I’m just confused, my bad dude.
 
BankTeller said:
Sooooo you can or can’t think of a guy around #6 that will suddenly help our team win shit? I’m just confused, my bad dude.
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To be fair, where has that #6 pick got this team in terms of being anywhere close to being a contender?
 
If Philly keeps Simons passed the trade deadline, I can see where Ben might come back for the stretch run. Then will demand a trade again in the Summer.
 
TBpup said:
If Philly keeps Simons passed the trade deadline, I can see where Ben might come back for the stretch run. Then will demand a trade again in the Summer.
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I could also see Ben and Klutch telling Morey to go fuck himself. Also don't forget that Embiid has continued to cryptically talk shit about Ben this entire time. I do not think that Ben will play for the Sixers again, I just don't think it will happen. If he had his people telling him that they need him to then maybe but Rich Paul will be telling Ben not to cave in because if Rich can show the teams in the league that his players will actually follow through on sitting a whole season if trade demands aren't met, then trade demands from Klutch clients mean a lot more.
 
TBpup said:
If Philly keeps Simons passed the trade deadline, I can see where Ben might come back for the stretch run. Then will demand a trade again in the Summer.
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no way he’s ever playing for philly again. My guess is they’ll trade him at the draft.
 
Scalma said:
no way he’s ever playing for philly again. My guess is they’ll trade him at the draft.
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I think that keeping him past the trade deadline is all one huge bluff from Morey. One last ditch effort to drive the price up (because the value is really set and the only thing being negotiated is the price for Simmons). I think in the next 29 days or whatever it is, that Morey will take the deal that he likes the most. I think there are deals out there right now that would take them from pretender to contender. I don't think a GM can squander the opportunity to contend now when it's just there for the taking but Morey does seem to be a stubborn guy. I guess we'll see really soon.
 
blazerkor said:
I think that keeping him past the trade deadline is all one huge bluff from Morey. One last ditch effort to drive the price up (because the value is really set and the only thing being negotiated is the price for Simmons). I think in the next 29 days or whatever it is, that Morey will take the deal that he likes the most. I think there are deals out there right now that would take them from pretender to contender. I don't think a GM can squander the opportunity to contend now when it's just there for the taking but Morey does seem to be a stubborn guy. I guess we'll see really soon.
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Unless he can get Fox, it still seems CJ is the best get for them if he can't find anyone younger. I'm hoping the Blazers can get this done but history tells us probably not.
 
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