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Natebishop3 said:
If we're trying to be the best team we could be, then shouldn't we be trading Dame or Ant for a true star small forward? If it's all about the aggregate, then why are we trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole?



I don't think he makes a great #2 alongside Dame. I think he makes an okay/good #2.

With Dame (12 games) - 21 ppg, 4 rebounds, 3.41 assists, 7.58-17.66 FG (43%) and 3.66-9.75 threes (37.6%)

Those are not GREAT numbers. Those are good numbers. Those are CJ numbers. His overall numbers look better right now because Dame has missed 10 games. Would his numbers look so good if Dame had played all 22 games that Simons has played? He doesn't play as well with Dame in the lineup. He shoots significantly worse. 4% worse from the field and 5% worse from three. Those are not small numbers.
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He shoots significantly better ALONGSIDE Dame. Playing with Dame, on the floor at the same time, he shoots 44% from 3. That is great. He is a better shooter and more efficient alongside Dame.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If we're trying to be the best team we could be, then shouldn't we be trading Dame or Ant for a true star small forward? If it's all about the aggregate, then why are we trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole?



I don't think he makes a great #2 alongside Dame. I think he makes an okay/good #2.

With Dame (12 games) - 21 ppg, 4 rebounds, 3.41 assists, 7.58-17.66 FG (43%) and 3.66-9.75 threes (37.6%)

Those are not GREAT numbers. Those are good numbers. Those are CJ numbers. His overall numbers look better right now because Dame has missed 10 games. Would his numbers look so good if Dame had played all 22 games that Simons has played? He doesn't play as well with Dame in the lineup. He shoots significantly worse. 4% worse from the field and 5% worse from three. Those are not small numbers.
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Also, who is this hypothetical star SF?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Simons is infinitely better as a point guard. To me, it seems obvious that we need to make a decision. Simons is the future of the team. So is Sharpe.
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I don't think we need to make a decision now, but Ant and Sharpe are our future starting 1-2 and that will be a nightmare for the league. Over the next 3 years, it's a luxury to have a three guard rotation like this or even start Sharpe at the 3.
 
RR7 said:
He shoots significantly better ALONGSIDE Dame. Playing with Dame, on the floor at the same time, he shoots 44% from 3. That is great. He is a better shooter and more efficient alongside Dame.
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So I went back to that link you posted. It says Dame and Ant play 23 minutes per game together. Simons averages 37 minutes per game. So why is Simons shooting 5% worse in the 14 minutes per game that Lillard is sitting on the bench?

Is it the bench?

Is it that Simons is in a lot of catch-and-shoot situations when he's playing with Dame?

And while he might shoot 2% better from three while Dame is on the floor, he shoots 2% better OVERALL in games where Lillard doesn't play at all.
 
maxiep said:
I don't think we need to make a decision now, but Ant and Sharpe are our future starting 1-2 and that will be a nightmare for the league. Over the next 3 years, it's a luxury to have a three guard rotation like this or even start Sharpe at the 3.
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I don't think Dame is getting traded soon. He might not get traded at all. But if the goal is to win a championship with Dame, then we might need to consider trading Simons.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think Dame is getting traded soon. He might not get traded at all. But if the goal is to win a championship with Dame, then we might need to consider trading Simons.
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They've started 12 games together and went 8-4. What about that makes you jump to say trade Simons? And again, find me the star SF we are landing for him, please. Because saying it is a whole lot easier than finding that right fit.
 
RR7 said:
Also, who is this hypothetical star SF?
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Depends. Are we going all in? Are we trying to win a title with Dame and Grant?

Could try to turn Simons/Nurk into Durant.

Could go after Jimmy Butler. The Heat are terrible.

I could probably put together some other names we could target. Or if we are trading Dame, it’s a different list.
 
Natebishop3 said:
CJ isn't a point guard.

This is a completely different conversation topic. One topic is whether they can play together. Can they play together? Sure. Is it a backcourt that can win in the playoffs? We don't know yet. There's a whole other thread dedicated to that topic. My point in that other thread was that I don't think Dame/Ant is going to have more success/different results than Dame/CJ. We won't know until this post-season.
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Gotta reach NBA Finals to outperform Dame/CJ.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Depends. Are we going all in? Are we trying to win a title with Dame and Grant?

Could try to turn Simons/Nurk into Durant.

Could go after Jimmy Butler. The Heat are terrible.

I could probably put together some other names we could target. Or if we are trading Dame, it’s a different list.
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Neither Durant or Butler are not available for Simons/Nurk. If they were, the deal would be done already.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Neither Durant or Butler are not available for Simons/Nurk. If they were, the deal would be done already.
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The deal literally can't be done because they were both free agent signings.

Learn the game, then post.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
CJ is the starting PG on the 2nd best team in the West right now.
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One of these is a point guard. The other is filling the point guard slot in the lineup. Their own fans complain about how CJ is horrible at feeding Zion or BI. He is still tunneling.

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Natebishop3 said:
One of these is a point guard. The other is filling the point guard slot in the lineup. Their own fans complain about how CJ is horrible at feeding Zion or BI. He is still tunneling.

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We probably don't want to look at the A/TO ratios, though...
 
Natebishop3 said:
They play the same position. That's the "problem." Ant is significantly better statistically when he plays point guard.

Ant CAN play shooting guard, but as my stats show, he's not as effective.

It's not a complaint. It's an observation.
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if its not a complaint and an observation, then I don't see the problem.
If it is a problem, its a “good” problem to have.
When he plays point Dame isn't in the game. And as someone else mentioned and i concur, Ant hardly plays point when Dame is out due to injury. Winslow did.

Stats can be flawed. Eye test says he is doing fine as a shooting guard as well.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here you go:

With Dame:
27.11 USG%
16.27 AST%
56.4 TS%

Without Dame:
28.21 USG%
25.41 AST%
61.2 TS%

The USG% is fairly similar, but the guy is just more efficient and a significantly better passer when he's playing point guard.
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Why would you not expect a better assist ratio when Ant plays point? Thats the job of that position. I would fully expect him to have a lower asst% when he is the shooting guard. He is not passing, he is passed to.
Not sure these numbers mean what you think they mean?
Or im not sure what I'm missing in this comparison?
 
Natebishop3 said:
The deal literally can't be done because they were both free agent signings.

Learn the game, then post.
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You’re the one that said we should target those players. Now you’re telling me we can’t. My point exactly. If we COULD have gotten them, we would’ve already.
 
BlazerBender said:
Why would you not expect a better assist ratio when Ant plays point? Thats the job of that position. I would fully expect him to have a lower asst% when he is the shooting guard. He is not passing, he is passed to.
Not sure these numbers mean what you think they mean?
Or im not sure what I'm missing in this comparison?
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The important ones are the his usg% stays relatively the same, but his shooting becomes much more efficient. He's a better player when he plays the role of the primary scorer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
One of these is a point guard. The other is filling the point guard slot in the lineup. Their own fans complain about how CJ is horrible at feeding Zion or BI. He is still tunneling.

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Didn’t say he was a good PG but he IS their PG and they have the best record in the West.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
You’re the one that said we should target those players. Now you’re telling me we can’t. My point exactly. If we COULD have gotten them, we would’ve already.
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Yes, we should target those players if we want to go all in on getting a ring with Dame. I'm telling you that we couldn't until 12/15.

We couldn't get them before now, and there's no guarantee that we can get them now, but they are some names that I think might be had for the right price. :dunno:
 
julius said:
wait..what?

Is this up there with "Damian drinks like a fish" and that since Damian followed and then unfollowed Sharpe he must not like him in the pantheon of "made up bullshit"?

Or is this poking fun at some nonsense that someone said?
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poking fun at what multiple people have said
 
Ant's highs are high, but his lows are too low to be a #1 option at this point, IMO.

Part of being an all-star is a degree of consistency. Doesn't mean he isn't a good player though!
 
Tince said:
Ant's highs are high, but his lows are too low to be a #1 option at this point, IMO.

Part of being an all-star is a degree of consistency. Doesn't mean he isn't a good player though!
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But this game affects the stats where he plays WITH Dame :devilwink:
 
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