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Tince said:
I think you'll notice that is's louder this year.

As I see it, this board, in general, overvalues the potential of 19 year olds and undervalues the production of players in their 2nd and 3rd contract on the team. So predicting the whipping boy is pretty easy.
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Age has nothing to do with it. I’m sick and tired of undersized score first guards who don’t play defense getting slotted in at the two spot.
 
kjironman1 said:
From the game thread of the game nobody could really watch it seemed to me like it was clearly Grant that will be the guy S2 turns on but you may be right now that I have been reading more. Simons is taking some heavy abuse.
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Interesting. I watched it. Right here on my couch.

And on the way to the store. And when I was waiting for my wife at the store.

Scoot looks GOOD.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It’s cute that you think it just begun. I have been unhappy with Simons as the starting shooting guard for at least a year.
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Right in line with him no longer being super young and on his first contract. Very much how this board in general reacts to players.

By the time Sharpe gets to his 2nd contract, he'll be the whipping boy, regardless of production. It's just how it seems to work. Unless he's a top 75 player of all-time; those get a little longer rope.
 
wizenheimer said:
in that context sure

but another context is the 'familiarity-breeds-contempt' context. The longer people have to watch obvious flaws in players that aren't ever corrected while the players keep being rebooted as Blazers, year after year, the more intense will be the contempt
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Natebishop3 said:
Age has nothing to do with it. I’m sick and tired of undersized score first guards who don’t play defense getting slotted in at the two spot.
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I assume you meant you are tired of score-first guards who don't play defense slotted at SG. Because there are plenty of undersized guards who play great defense........and also big guards who are good defenders but who can't shoot very well. Neither is ideal.

Also, if Ant is undersized at SG but he is guarding PGs....is he still undersized? The bottom line is he needs to be a better defender, and we all need to stop focusing so much on him being undersized. I have seen his measurements listed with both a 6'7" wing and a 6'9" wing. Not sure which is correct but both are long enough.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Age has nothing to do with it. I’m sick and tired of undersized score first guards who don’t play defense getting slotted in at the two spot.
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Hornets, Rockets, Spurs, now the Wizards. They all use offense-only undersized guards stuffed into the starting positions.

One of those teams got Wemby last year. Another team was supposed to get Scoot, but they are really stupid and actually believed Danny Marang's analysis after workouts prior to the draft. "omg, Brandon Miller might be better then Durant. Wow... Wow."
 
Portland2014 said:
Hate to be that guy, but I wanna say it before we play our first competitive game: Simons is the black sheep of this team

He's gonna get his stats, he will average the same points on good % of players who's gonna make the ASG, but those stats won't mean anything to us

He's the Monta Ellis/CJ McCollum of the situation, the sooner we get rid of him, the better

We're fortunate to have a guy like Scoot who's a team first guy, but Simons is the opposite

He will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble and then again dribble dribble dribble and then Jack up shots like there's no tomorrow

He can't defend even against Steve Blake at 50

He's gonna steal minutes from Sharpe, possessions from Scoot

Honestly I was so hyped for this season but Anfernee is at risk of ruin everything
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way off! Ant is our only true scorer. Now on the other hand, Grant is the black sheep
 
I literally watched Ant defending a small white guy last night one on one and the guy blew by him when Ant didn't even bother to chase him.. just dropped his arms and watched the guy make a layup uncontested. I wanted Chauncey to get in his grill and call a time out but...not happening. It's time for Chauncey to put an address on the lack of effort or step aside and let a new coach teach the game. Ant played like it was fanfest last night. I'm giving Chauncey till Christmas to show me he can guide a team and develop winning habits.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Age has nothing to do with it. I’m sick and tired of undersized score first guards who don’t play defense getting slotted in at the two spot.
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He was that from day 1. I don't keep track of your takes specifically (outside of the one saying the 2019 team was the worst in history), but I will stand by my stance of the S2 board whipping-boy predictability model. It doesn't fit every poster with every player, but in general, it's mostly fail-proof.

Sharpe will the whipping-boy by 2025-26, I'm calling it now.
 
wizenheimer said:
this isn't about new shiny things...this is about the recognizable tarnish on an existing thing
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I think it is related because when the new shiny things come in and are immediately over-valued, it seems to directly correlate with looking for and pointing out the flaws of the players who have been on the roster and therefore undervaluing them to justify the case for why the new thing should play. Every year there is a 2nd round pick in the pre-season that people want to give rotation minutes to over a far superior player who has been on the roster. I also feel we see the newly acquired players via trade getting the same undeserved bump over a returning rotation player.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I assume you meant you are tired of score-first guards who don't play defense slotted at SG. Because there are plenty of undersized guards who play great defense........and also big guards who are good defenders but who can't shoot very well. Neither is ideal.

Also, if Ant is undersized at SG but he is guarding PGs....is he still undersized? The bottom line is he needs to be a better defender, and we all need to stop focusing so much on him being undersized. I have seen his measurements listed with both a 6'7" wing and a 6'9" wing. Not sure which is correct but both are long enough.
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Why would he be guarding point guards? Isn’t that who Scoot is guarding?

maybe I’m just confused but it seems like you’re quoting back to me what I already said.
 
Tince said:
He was that from day 1. I don't keep track of your takes specifically (outside of the one saying the 2019 team was the worst in history), but I will stand by my stance of the S2 board whipping-boy predictability model. It doesn't fit every poster with every player, but in general, it's mostly fail-proof.

Sharpe will the whipping-boy by 2025-26, I'm calling it now.
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There are already people bashing on Shaedon. Why wait until 2025?

Maybe you didn’t notice, but people have been bashing on Simons for a LONG time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There are already people bashing on Shaedon. Why wait until 2025?

Maybe you didn’t notice, but people have been bashing on Simons for a LONG time.
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Oh for sure. There is always someone bashing on any specific player, I didn't mean to imply that players on their rookie scale deals are never criticized. We could have the best player in NBA history on the roster and there would be people nit-picking their weaknesses.

What I'm pointing out is that by the time a hyped guy gets to his 2nd deal here, he usually goes from being generally over-valued by the board to under-valued, in place of the new rookie who is going to be different and better!
 
The site is a bit wonky again.....I double posted and when I deleted the second post both disappeared. Basically I had said my target was the coach and he hadn't won shit in Portland yet. Ant is a 6 man trying to be a starting 2 guard and will never be an alpha...something to that effect.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why would he be guarding point guards? Isn’t that who Scoot is guarding?

maybe I’m just confused but it seems like you’re quoting back to me what I already said.
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Why can't Scoot guard SGs? He is long enough and he is certainly strong enough.
 
Whyachi said:
Hornets, Rockets, Spurs, now the Wizards. They all use offense-only undersized guards stuffed into the starting positions.
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Charlotte - 6'1 Rozier/6'7 Lamelo
Houston - 6'4 Porter/6'7 Amen
Spurs - 6'1 Jones/6'5 Vassell
Wizards - I don't know who they will settle on and I'm not sure it matters

Blazers - 6'3 Scoot/6'3 Simons

and of all those players listed, there's no doubt who the worst defender is

and it's entirely possible those 5 teams could be the bottom 5 teams in the league this season...or at least 4 of the 5 with Detroit
 
wizenheimer said:
Charlotte - 6'1 Rozier/6'7 Lamelo
Houston - 6'4 Porter/6'7 Amen
Spurs - 6'1 Jones/6'5 Vassell
Wizards - I don't know who they will settle on and I'm not sure it matters

Blazers - 6'3 Scoot/6'3 Simons

and of all those players listed, there's no doubt who the worst defender is

and it's entirely possible those 5 teams could be the bottom 5 teams in the league this season...or at least 4 of the 5 with Detroit
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I thought the 6' Van Vleet was starting with the 6'4 Green for Houston.
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe I'm not paying close enough attention but I don't see anybody saying things about Simons that haven't been said, repeatedly for 2-3 years, by lots of posters
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Exactly.

The excuse is always "Wait until ____ ".

It's very rare for a player to change their game. Yes, many improve some weak areas of their game. However it's extremely rare for a player with HUGE holes in their games to overcome those.

Ant is out of the big development stage of his career. He can improve, but they will be incremental. He's a fantastic shooter - but he can't play defense, run an offense (be the PG), or effectively attack the basket. These are the same issues that have been pointed to for the last few years.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Why can't Scoot guard SGs?
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but the context is that question could be 'why should Scoot guard SG's', and the answer is because the other starting guard can't.

another ancillary question(s) is can Brogdon guard SG's? can Thybulle guard SG's? can Sharpe guard SG's?

actually thinking about moving Scoot out of position defensively shows the issue with Ant as a starter
 
riverman said:
I literally watched Ant defending a small white guy last night one on one and the guy blew by him when Ant didn't even bother to chase him.. just dropped his arms and watched the guy make a layup uncontested. I wanted Chauncey to get in his grill and call a time out but...not happening. It's time for Chauncey to put an address on the lack of effort or step aside and let a new coach teach the game. Ant played like it was fanfest last night. I'm giving Chauncey till Christmas to show me he can guide a team and develop winning habits.
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after an ugly Blazer loss last season, with several Blazers clearly getting outhustled, Coach Billups said, "yaaa .. I don't hold players accountable, you know... I'm not that type of coach."

Billups job is to be nice to everyone and keep his job.

The Blazers are rolling in draft picks. With the possibility of a few more lottery picks on the horizon.

Being a nice coach on a decent team that might alter their trade deadline destiny to become bad, is important in this "tank on purpose" rebuilding phase.

If players check out, lace up cement shoes, and Billups loses his team for the 3rd straight season, it's more losses and a better draft pick.
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe I'm not paying close enough attention but I don't see anybody saying things about Simons that haven't been said, repeatedly for 2-3 years, by lots of posters
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I just feel it might be a bit early to be piling on Simons just yet? Two years ago he was very young and without Dame. Last year he was with Dame. This year he is the veteran and in many ways will need to pass along a bunch of knowledge to Scoot. Some here have Scoot already better than Simons. Simons has plenty to teach Scoot at this point.
 
kjironman1 said:
I just feel it might be a bit early to be piling on Simons just yet? Two years ago he was very young and without Dame. Last year he was with Dame. This year he is the veteran and in many ways will need to pass along a bunch of knowledge to Scoot. Some here have Scoot already better than Simons. Simons has plenty to teach Scoot at this point.
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I was really hoping that that was Chauncey's job...champion pt guard, MVP in the playoffs. He's got a pt guard coach.
 
Tince said:
He was that from day 1. I don't keep track of your takes specifically (outside of the one saying the 2019 team was the worst in history), but I will stand by my stance of the S2 board whipping-boy predictability model. It doesn't fit every poster with every player, but in general, it's mostly fail-proof.

Sharpe will the whipping-boy by 2025-26, I'm calling it now.
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If he maxes out as Travis Outlaw V2, yes.
 
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