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For a 3rd and former 2020 1st rounder Brendan Brisson. 50% retained. Nice
 
That pick is San Jose's 3rd round pick in 2025 which ( ok yeah, its the 3rd round) is going to be probably pick 1 or 2 in that round. Decent return. (I edited it from SOLID)
 
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I was expecting a second, but the third pick is pretty high and Brisson is still only 23 and our AHL team blows offensively. Maybe he can gel with Perreault next season.
 
This has played out exactly as I said a few weeks ago, a 2nd for Lindgren and a 3rd for Smith, I never saw us getting a 2nd for Smith.

I know people will say I'm getting on Drury as usual, but the Smith situation was a total fiasco. Drury traded a 2nd and a 5th for a 3rd line winger, tried to make him a 1st line winger, which was always doomed to fail, then got a 3rd rounder back for him. Complete mess by a terrible in over his head Pres/GM. And this is not a second guess, I said the day Drury traded for him as our only real move this past summer, it was going to be a disaster. If Smith was brought in to be a 3rd line winger, which is what he is, you never have to give up a 2nd for him, and it would be a decent move. But since he was expected to play a role, he isn't good enough to fill, you had to give up a 2nd, and he added no value, considering he was playing a top 6 role.

To me now the real work starts. Trading Lindgren, Vesey, and Smith was easy. The question always has been can he move Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Fox or K. Miller. Until one of those guys goes this is all a waste of time. I say that while acknowledging I liked the J.T. Miller trade, and it was good he cleaned up his mess and traded Trouba without retaining salary. But as much as I like the Trouba trade, part of the reason we have struggled this season is because the amateur Pres/GM totally F'd up that situation this summer.

I could be wrong, but I'll predict right now we do very little tomorrow, which to me is the worst-case scenario, essentially don't push in or sell off big time, which is what Drury should do if he had balls.
 
Don't read them, I'm cool with that. Put me back on ignore along with the handful of others you have on ignore and the problem will be solved. Thanks in advance.
 
Nyr94 don’t post in his threads anymore. He is a fucking little bully trump loving baby. That’s why I start game threads now so you guys don’t post in his threads. Fuck dumpy sideways and yes iam referring to Kreidertime lol
 
Well Drury traded that third pick to canucks for another dmen Soucy
 
I should’ve figured Stepan was a liberal pussy. Makes sense since he cries like a woman every time Shesterkin lets up a goal.
 
It's basically like a 2nd if you add the value of a 3rd plus prospect. Pretty nice deal on the surface. They can use one of these picks to move up at the draft as they'll probably be picking in the 14-19 range.
 
Don't see what there is to dislike about the deals for Smith who hadn't been in the lineup for several games.
 
No, it isn't. It was a terrible move to add Smith, who did almost nothing here, and then trade him away for less.

And now Drury trades the 3rd for a depth dman in Soucy. At least he's signed next season for $3.25M, but once again I am left saying what is Drury doing. Adding depth dmen for 3rd round picks is not what this team should be doing. Watch him try and plug Soucy into the spot next to Fox. We tried playing 3rd line winger Smith on the top line, now we'll try playing 3rd pair/depth dman Soucy on the top pair.

That's what Drury is good at, adding crap and then expecting them to play higher in the lineup than their skills allow.
 
Sorry, but I don't understand what you guys are saying.

Drury overpaid and traded a 2nd and a 5th for Smith. Smith was placed on the first line, where he could never play at that level. He then traded Smith away for 3rd pair depth dman Soucy and a prospect who at best is whatever.

What am I missing? It is terrible asset management as always by Drury.
 
He must see him as an upgrade from DeHaan and Vakaanainen. They needed some more size back there.
 
Ranger71 said:
He must see him as an upgrade from DeHaan and Vakaanainen. They needed some more size back there.
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Yeah, he's an upgrade from those two scrubs, I don't disagree with that, but who cares. This team is going nowhere even if they make the playoffs.

TB, Toronto, Florida, Carolina, Washington. Are they beating those teams in a 7-game series, let alone 3 of them to make the SCF. Come on now, play for next season.

I see their biggest need as a top LD to pair with Fox, Drury thinks he solved that one by adding Soucy, just like he solved the top line winger by overpaying for Smith.
 
Since Miller and Fox hate contact, maybe this will at least balance it out in that way. I think it's more about next year when they add a FA dman up top and can put Soucy where he fits.
 
Ranger71 said:
Since Miller and Fox hate contact, maybe this will at least balance it out in that way. I think it's more about next year when they add a FA dman up top and can put Soucy where he fits.
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If Drury adds a true top LD to play on the 1st pair, and Soucy is playing on the 3rd pair where he belongs, I can get on board. I still think it's an overpay for a dman of Soucy's ability, but I will live. But I have a sneaky feeling they think this is the Lindgren replacement at $3.25M, which is a bit rich for a 3rd pair dman, which is what Soucy is.
 
He's played with Borgen in Seattle too, so maybe they play together some and Miller gets tried out with Fox.
 
That could happen, again not good enough. The Rangers need to stop the nonsense and add a legit top-level LD to play with Fox. That top 4 is not good enough. Soucy/Schneider on the 3rd pair is good, even if Soucy would be overpaid a bit for a 3rd pair dman. That's where he belongs. If you tell me that's the 3rd pair, and they add a legit 1st pair LD I can get on board.
 
Didn't you declare the Rangers out of the playoffs a month before the All Star break? Honestly Chuck, we get it, you're down on Drury, the horse has been beaten into a dusty silhouette. Looks to me like Drury is remembering what brought him early success and adding more grit. I love the way the team has been playing since Drury acquired Miller for a mediocre, injury prone forward. Drury was also able to trade Lindgren for a better all around dman in de Haan with an $800k salary. The Debs just lost Hughes for the season, just like that the surety of a playoff spot can be thrown into jeopardy.
 
NYR_94 said:
Sorry, but I don't understand what you guys are saying.

Drury overpaid and traded a 2nd and a 5th for Smith. Smith was placed on the first line, where he could never play at that level. He then traded Smith away for 3rd pair depth dman Soucy and a prospect who at best is whatever.

What am I missing? It is terrible asset management as always by Drury.
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To recap it. Drury essentially turned 2nd and 5th round picks into a depth dman and a whatever prospect. And some of you guys think that is good asset management and good overall value. Would any of you trade a 2nd round pick for Soucy??? I know I wouldn't.
 
Brisson still has a chance to be a decent NHL regular, hopefully.
 
PorterPanzer said:
Didn't you declare the Rangers out of the playoffs a month before the All Star break? Honestly Chuck, we get it, you're down on Drury, the horse has been beaten into a dusty silhouette. Looks to me like Drury is remembering what brought him early success and adding more grit. I love the way the team has been playing since Drury acquired Miller for a mediocre, injury prone forward. Drury was also able to trade Lindgren for a better all around dman in de Haan with an $800k salary. The Debs just lost Hughes for the season, just like that the surety of a playoff spot can be thrown into jeopardy.
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I did, and whether you like it or not Panzer I have been the most spot-on poster about this team for a long time. You can pretend that isn't the case, but it is. I said they would battle for 3rd/a WC before the season, after Drury's awful summer - I nailed it. I did say they weren't making the playoffs after the terrible Nov/Dec, and while I may be just right or just wrong, I think my overall point was spot-on again, this team is going nowhere this season. Whether they slip in as a WC or pass CBJ/NJ and get 3rd they are going nowhere, and unfortunately, I'll be right again.

The ONLY way this team gets back near the top is bold moves, that means at least one of the guys I mentioned has to go. I don't believe Drury has the balls for it as I have said many many times.

BTW - good discussion Panzer, I appreciate the back and forth....:).
 
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That could happen, again not good enough. The Rangers need to stop the nonsense and add a legit top-level LD to play with Fox. That top 4 is not good enough. Soucy/Schneider on the 3rd pair is good, even if Soucy would be overpaid a bit for a 3rd pair dman. That's where he belongs. If you tell me that's the 3rd pair, and they add a legit 1st pair LD I can get on board.
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Right, I was thinking for the rest of the year if/when Fox gets back. They might set a record for the fewest hits by a D-pairing:) Definitely need a big FA/trade for a dman going into next year.
 
Miller and Borgen has been good a good pair. Like nyr94 said. They need a legitimate partner for Fox. I haven't seen Soucy play that much, since he has been in the western conference all his career. Lets how he looks in the east.
 
Sounds like they're trying to get Peterka from Buffalo. Nice player. I am wondering what they're offering if it's true.
 
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