So, did we address all of our needs this offseason?

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With the draft, trades, and FA signings, do you guys think we've addressed all of the needs we had in the beginning of the offseason?

If not, what do we still need? More big help? More guard depth? One more trade?

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

A scorer/slasher off the bench would be nice.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Jul 28 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A scorer/slasher off the bench would be nice.</div>

And who do you have in mind for that? Anyone in free agency, or available in trades?

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Jul 28 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A scorer/slasher off the bench would be nice.</div>

No, that's filled.

Need a playmaking PG to develop.

Also need someone besides Najera who can guard bigs outside the paint, but that player would have to replace someone currently on the roster, so that might not be the way to go.

 

[pegs]

Also - any players we still need to get rid of? Any players we should trade?

ex. - Ager, Swift, Hassel Vince, Sean, Boone (since he might be at his highest value)

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 28 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Jul 28 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A scorer/slasher off the bench would be nice.</div>

No, that's filled.

Need a playmaking PG to develop.
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I think that will come in the draft either in 2009 or 2010. For now I think they are content to have Harris be the young PG, and at 25 that's not such a bad strategy. I think they have enough young guys to develop at different positions for this year. Another PG and a 2nd wing will be future moves.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 28 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Jul 28 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A scorer/slasher off the bench would be nice.</div>

No, that's filled.

Need a playmaking PG to develop.

Also need someone besides Najera who can guard bigs outside the paint, but that player would have to replace someone currently on the roster, so that might not be the way to go.
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Who're you thinking of? I'm probably missing someone obvious.

We do need a backup point who can create, I do agree there.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Jul 28 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 28 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Jul 28 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A scorer/slasher off the bench would be nice.</div>

No, that's filled.

Need a playmaking PG to develop.

Also need someone besides Najera who can guard bigs outside the paint, but that player would have to replace someone currently on the roster, so that might not be the way to go.
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Who're you thinking of? I'm probably missing someone obvious.

We do need a backup point who can create, I do agree there.
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CDR

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

I'm not too sure how much burn he'll get, with so many vets in front of him, but I hope you're right.

 

[rory]

There's still a lot of dead weight on the roster - Hassell, Swift, Ager. They need to turn them into something, anything worthwhile - be it a trade exeption or just an empty roster spot.

And Vince still needs to get traded, but I'm willing to let that slide until February.

 

[User01]

I think ghoti meant Dooling. I think we could use a big man who is definitely gonna be a legit stud. Because, unless Yi or Brook improve their D and rebounding significantly, they won't be good compliments to each other. If we could move either of those+SWat, Boone, or a pick or something, for a guy who can rebound and defend, like a Dalembert, Biedrins, Okafor, Smith, Kaman, Chandler, Horford, etc., I think we definitely should. I know most of those guys we couldn't get, though.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Jul 28 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's still a lot of dead weight on the roster - Hassell, Swift, Ager. They need to turn them into something, anything worthwhile - be it a trade exeption or just an empty roster spot.

And Vince still needs to get traded, but I'm willing to let that slide until February.</div>

Swift is almost as good as a TE as he is an expiring contract. The fact the other team has to pick up his actually contract is offset how he can be combined with others in a trade, unlike a TE.

... who is gonna trade a TE for Hassell or Ager? They are worthless at the moment.

-Petey

 

[rory]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jul 28 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Jul 28 2008, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's still a lot of dead weight on the roster - Hassell, Swift, Ager. They need to turn them into something, anything worthwhile - be it a trade exeption or just an empty roster spot.

And Vince still needs to get traded, but I'm willing to let that slide until February.</div>

Swift is almost as good as a TE as he is an expiring contract. The fact the other team has to pick up his actually contract is offset how he can be combined with others in a trade, unlike a TE.

... who is gonna trade a TE for Hassell or Ager? They are worthless at the moment.

-Petey
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Well, that's why I said "or an empty roster spot"....buy them out or something.

 

[cpawfan]

The Nets look like a lottery team with no hope of making the playoffs. Therefore, they addressed their biggest offseason need

 

[Dumpy]

They're getting there. They've remade the roster into a form that meets Frank's vision . . . whether it works or not is another story.

Just how good and unselfish Vince is will become evident this year. In the past, the defensive strategy agaisnt the nets was simply to double Vince and pack the paint . . . but now they have some outside shooting, they could post up Vince if they want, Yi and Ryan will be left open to hit long jumpers, etc. And let's not even go into the apparent defensive improvement.

I'm convinced that Hodge and Carroll will compete to be the third-string "point." [Vince would probably fill the "point" function when Harris isn't in the game, leaving Carroll or Hodge to fill the SG role]. I think it will be Hodge. Carroll is no better defensively than Marcus was. At worse, they'll buy out Ager or send him plus cash for a second round pick, and let another team cut him.

They still need a third center, however. I have no one in mind, but I think they are looking for a veteran mid-level center that has a decent mid-range jumper. They cannot go into the season with just the injury-prone Boone and the rookie Lopez at that position. They will be doomed.

 

[dino33]

IMO, we should trade a couple of our bigs(swift, Boone/Sean) along with Ager Hassel for a starting SF

 

[Froz-T]

Well, when the offseason first started I did not believe that we would start a retooling system. I thought Jefferson would be traded for someone that could help us win now. But, the fact that the Nets are rebuilding, I have to say they have done very well to rebuild. I believe within 3 years this team could be very competitive.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 28 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets look like a lottery team with no hope of making the playoffs. Therefore, they addressed their biggest offseason need</div>

I don't know . . . you could easily be right, but you could just as easily be wrong. It's easy to denigrate the team because they have no "stars" other than Vince, but they appear to have improved in a number of areas from last year, when they were at least fighting for a playoff spot for most of the season. Obviously, whether the rookies and Yi can contribute, and how much, will go a long way to determining if this will be a successful season.

I think Vince, if healthy, will be a total stud, though.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jul 28 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think ghoti meant Dooling.</div>

No CDR.

 

[User01]

damn. I'm just terrible at predicting you.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Jul 28 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not too sure how much burn he'll get, with so many vets in front of him, but I hope you're right.</div>
Who? Only have Simmons and Hayes. Hassell will not impact him. If Simmons is the starter I see CDR beating out Hayes to be the main back-up at SF.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 28 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 28 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets look like a lottery team with no hope of making the playoffs. Therefore, they addressed their biggest offseason need</div>

I don't know . . . you could easily be right, but you could just as easily be wrong. It's easy to denigrate the team because they have no "stars" other than Vince, but they appear to have improved in a number of areas from last year, when they were at least fighting for a playoff spot for most of the season. Obviously, whether the rookies and Yi can contribute, and how much, will go a long way to determining if this will be a successful season. </div>

Some of the teams the Nets were fighting for a playoff spot have improved and the Nets were 11-18 post All-Star break.

As for the Nets roster, I couldn't care less about stars. The bench is certainly better and they look like a team that will actually be able to play some defense. However, the roster is still very flawed and the chance for respectability rest squarely on how quickly Brook Lopez can become better than a sub 50% shooting college 7 footer projects to be.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I think Vince, if healthy, will be a total stud, though.</div>

He could put up lots of pretty stats. Pretty stats <> stud

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 28 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They still need a third center, however. I have no one in mind, but I think they are looking for a veteran mid-level center that has a decent mid-range jumper. They cannot go into the season with just the injury-prone Boone and the rookie Lopez at that position. They will be doomed.</div>
KVH, Sean and Hassell for Jeff Foster, Diener and a lottery protected pick would accomplish that, clears cap space in 2009 and adds a 3rd pg.

Wouldn't be surprised if Indy wants to retain Kareem Rush but need to shed some salary in order to stay under the luxury tax. I wonder if targeting teams free agents in order to get the team do trade with you is the new Kiki/Thorn plan? They talked about JR Smith and wanted to do a deal with Denver for Camby. Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 28 2008, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Some of the teams the Nets were fighting for a playoff spot have improved and the Nets were 11-18 post All-Star break.

As for the Nets roster, I couldn't care less about stars. The bench is certainly better and they look like a team that will actually be able to play some defense. However, the roster is still very flawed and the chance for respectability rest squarely on how quickly Brook Lopez can become better than a sub 50% shooting college 7 footer projects to be.</div>

I can't disagree with that, which is why I am advocating that the Nets acquire another center. Again, I think that the upside of their season arc is what the Sixers accomplished last year: a flawed, poor start, followed by gradual improvement as their young players started to mesh, and a final rush into the playoffs.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I think Vince, if healthy, will be a total stud, though.</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He could put up lots of pretty stats. Pretty stats <> stud</div>

Now that I disagree with. I have a lot of faith and confidence in him; especially since he is now surrounded by better outside shooters. Just think about how terrible Kidd, Boki, Marcus Williams, Malik Allen, Krstic, and to a certain extent RJ were last year. They've all been replaced by better, morre consistent shooters. They are all going to flourish playing with Carter . . . I guess we'll see, though.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 28 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 28 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They still need a third center, however. I have no one in mind, but I think they are looking for a veteran mid-level center that has a decent mid-range jumper. They cannot go into the season with just the injury-prone Boone and the rookie Lopez at that position. They will be doomed.</div>
KVH, Sean and Hassell for Jeff Foster, Diener and a lottery protected pick would accomplish that, clears cap space in 2009 and adds a 3rd pg.

Wouldn't be surprised if Indy wants to retain Kareem Rush but need to shed some salary in order to stay under the luxury tax. I wonder if targeting teams free agents in order to get the team do trade with you is the new Kiki/Thorn plan? They talked about JR Smith and wanted to do a deal with Denver for Camby. Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist.
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It's certainly a possibility.

 

[pegs]

From Al's blog:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Regardless of the Krstic situation, the Nets are working on other moves. A team source said, "There will be a couple more."</div>

I'm really curious as to what those moves are, and how big.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 28 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>From Al's blog:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Regardless of the Krstic situation, the Nets are working on other moves. A team source said, "There will be a couple more."</div>

I'm really curious as to what those moves are, and how big.
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Those bastards have had me riveted with what they could be concoting! Teases.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 28 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>From Al's blog:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Regardless of the Krstic situation, the Nets are working on other moves. A team source said, "There will be a couple more."</div>

I'm really curious as to what those moves are, and how big.
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Now you've gone and done it pegs. Feeding random speculation in the Nets forum...

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 28 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 28 2008, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>From Al's blog:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Regardless of the Krstic situation, the Nets are working on other moves. A team source said, "There will be a couple more."</div>

I'm really curious as to what those moves are, and how big.
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Now you've gone and done it pegs. Feeding random speculation in the Nets forum...

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What the hell would we do with ourselves if we weren't randomly speculating?

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Make shameless plugs for the 2nd GM draft?