So in 3 years when whatever whackocrat is running for president says (1 Viewer)

[SlyPokerDog]

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[SlyPokerDog]

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[riverman]

he isn't profiting or being harmed by any decisions

we hope eh.....nobody slips cash into anybody's pocket's...no perks...no buying of influence....only what is traceable through banks if you can read the language they're written in.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ones that concern me...booking a diplomatic group into your new hotel in Washington is one. .if you think about it...you'll know what flags are there, if you don't you'll start arguing with me....point?

If they pay standard rate, I don't see the issue.

If they pay 10x normal rate, rent whole floors that the never used to, etc., run up abnormally large bills, then there's a red flag.

 

[Denny Crane]

we hope eh.....nobody slips cash into anybody's pocket's...no perks...no buying of influence....only what is traceable through banks if you can read the language they're written in.

I don't think the guy wants to risk prison. He makes more in the private sector without having to do something obviously illegal.

A person's former employer shouldn't disqualify him or her from public service.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here's information you won't find in a tax return, but was kept hidden from the public.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Here's information you won't find in a tax return, but was kept hidden from the public.

Yes DennyAnne, we just covered this, Kia bad, very bad.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes DennyAnne, we just covered this, Kia bad, very bad.

People horrified this went public demanding useless information be made public.

Sound reasoning there.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

People horrified this went public demanding useless information be made public.

Sound reasoning there.

I wanted those speeches released.

May 14th, 2016 -

If these are the two choices we're stuck with then both need to release some shirt. Clinton needs to release her kiss ass speeches to wall street and Trump needs to release his tax returns.

 

[Cippy91]

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BUT I THOUGHT WIKILEAKS WERE COMPROMISED BY RUSSIA AND ARE RAN BY RUSSIANS WOAAAAAAAAAAAH #Triggered

 

[Denny Crane]

Good for you. They hurt her election chances because they revealed the Truth about her.

 

[Cippy91]

People are gonna believe what they wanna. Facts are there but people don't wanna find them. Too many people saying dumb shit. This is a 7 page thread about Trumps tax returns. It's gonna be 4 years of people bitching over this dude whether he does good,alright, or terrible. Crazy though that Hillary can delete emails and do all this crazy shit and shes the angel of the media and to people that live in the cities. Whatever, the world keeps spinning

 

[barfo]

People are gonna believe what they wanna. Facts are there but people don't wanna find them. Too many people saying dumb shit. ... It's gonna be 4 years of people bitching over this dude whether he does good,alright, or terrible.

You could have posted that after any election, at least in my lifetime... it's always true.

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[Cippy91]

You could have posted that after any election, at least in my lifetime... it's always true.

barfo

Pretty much

 

[Cippy91]

Another thing, can we put the bitching about wikileaks aside? they have never been proven wrong and just because they put out emails against hillary never meant they were for trump as shown by them calling for tax returns. No russians. Leaks. Media says otherwise though. So will the people. Citing their sources as the CIA and FBI. Oh yeah the most corrupt agencies of all. You mean the people that tried to smear MLK? Malcolm x? mandela? crack epidemic done by them and whatever other shady bullshit has been pulled. Society is fucked man.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Melinabot 3000

 

[riverman]

 

[MARIS61]

they don't have to release their taxes because Trump didn't we're going to be fine with that right?

That's what I thought.

No, it's not what you thought.

I've never cared before and certainly never actually read anyone else's tax returns. I can barely stand to even read mine after paying to have them done.

They really don't hold any information of value to anyone but the IRS, have never been something that was required to be released by anyone to the public for any reason of any kind. Obviously, if there was a smidgeon of wrongdoing evidenced in them the IRS would have come down on him like a ton of bricks.

In fact, and rightly so, Federal Law guarantees their privacy.

Washington and the rest of the Founding Fathers categorically refused to pay taxes, let alone publish them. They actually created a new country to avoid paying them. There's a very colorful story here about a tea party and gobs of patriots dying for your freedom, which you've pissed on by paying taxes, but we'll save that for when there's more time. It's an important story and should not be learned in abbreviated form.

Later after Lincoln illegally imposed taxes to fund the not-so-civil war, it was repealed ten years later. Congress tried to bring it back in 1894 but The Supreme Court declared taxation itself unConstitutional in 1895. It wasn't until 1913 that the 16th Amendment gave Congress the power to enact an income tax with 1/4th of the states still opposed. The original 1% rate has climbed as high as 77% and fallen nearly as much at times over the years.

In the 50's it went from being run with no cost to morphing into a behemoth of highly-paid representatives from the banking industry with the dual goals of keeping the poor perpetually in debt, and punishing rich political opponents of whatever party was in power at the time.

Since that time it has always been the most corrupt arm of the government, and the largest single threat to individual freedom since, well, the Brits.

So anyone who can avoid paying taxes is quite obviously a patriot and a defender of your freedom, even though you clearly don't want freedom.

 

[MarAzul]

never actually read anyone else's tax returns. I can barely stand to even read mine

Ha! Yes sir! I hear you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So anyone who can avoid paying taxes is quite obviously a patriot and a defender of your freedom, even though you clearly don't want freedom.

Except we don't know if that's the reason why he won't release his taxes.

After those old taxes were released and showed he wasn't paying much taxes he was still elected president. It seems unlikely that would be his reason not to release his current taxes.

 

[MARIS61]

JFiz, you seem to be arguing that it is better if the public has less information, because information can be misinterpreted.

That seems to me like a really, really bad argument. Plenty of examples of countries that follow that line of thinking... not many of them you'd even want to visit, much less live.

barfo

I think you refer to yourself and wikileaks/Clinton emails here?

Difference is, Clinton was ordered by a Federal Judge to hand over the emails which were technically government property stolen by her, she illegally destroyed them knowing they were evidence in a trial against her, and proof of many crimes against our government including treason and charity fraud...

 

[barfo]

I can barely stand to even read mine after paying to have them done.

Why do you pay taxes? It seems to me you should stand up for what you believe in and refuse.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Except we don't know if that's the reason why he won't release his taxes.

After those old taxes were released and showed he wasn't paying much taxes he was still elected president. It seems unlikely that would be his reason not to release his current taxes.

I think "because it's nobody's business" is all the reason a free man needs in a free country.

That's why I've repeatedly refused to release mine.

 

[riverman]

So anyone who can avoid paying taxes is quite obviously a patriot and a defender of your freedom, even though you clearly don't want freedom

So Al Capone should be on Mt Rushmore?

 

[barfo]

I think you refer to yourself and wikileaks/Clinton emails here?

Nope, I don't think I ever argued that wikileaks shouldn't have distributed what they got. Although, there is somewhat of a difference between stolen documents and voluntarily released documents.
I would rather Trump release his taxes voluntarily. But if someone steals them and gives them to wikileaks, I guess I won't shed too many tears.

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[andalusian]

The tax returns won't tell you what you seem to think. They're designed to show as much allowable losses and for things nobody running a business would otherwise care about.

I am willing to accept that there is a very small chance that his tax returns will not tell me much. I still think he should release them. Next you will tell me that someone's voting record does not matter because they can change their mind or their criminal record does not matter because he paid his debt to society.

This is not the point - the idea that one does not support transparency while running for the highest office in the country is ludicrous - and the idea that it is not likely to reveal much and thus should not be revealed is just as absurd. Especially when this comes from someone that railed after birth records...

 

[Denny Crane]

I am willing to accept that there is a very small chance that his tax returns will not tell me much. I still think he should release them. Next you will tell me that someone's voting record does not matter because they can change their mind or their criminal record does not matter because he paid his debt to society.

This is not the point - the idea that one does not support transparency while running for the highest office in the country is ludicrous - and the idea that it is not likely to reveal much and thus should not be revealed is just as absurd. Especially when this comes from someone that railed after birth records...

All the things after "next you'll tell me" are straw men.

Don't attribute those kinds of statements to me, please. I can make my own statements.

He's been fully transparent.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2838696-Trump-2016-Financial-Disclosure.html

 

[Denny Crane]

There's also the obvious.

Trump said he wouldn't release his tax returns before the election and he was elected anyway.

 

[andalusian]

All the things after "next you'll tell me" are straw men.

Don't attribute those kinds of statements to me, please. I can make my own statements.

The point is that it is a precedent and one that is worrying for a reason. The fact that he was elected had nothing to do with anything.

 

[Denny Crane]

The point is that it is a precedent and one that is worrying for a reason. The fact that he was elected had nothing to do with anything.

It's clearly worrying to those who oppose him and his being elected.

It's not a requirement by law. Precedent is irrelevant - we've never had anyone with the size and scope of businesses owned and his operation before (no precedent for that either).

He's been transparent as needed.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2838696-Trump-2016-Financial-Disclosure.html