So is this really the best chance to win a series?

[Strenuus]

And remember, Vonleh has only been in 88 games for his career. I really think next year is his time to shine.

As for this year, I think coming off the bench would better suit him. Though, I don't really call him a "starter" either... he is, but not much of one.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

What foul happens at appropriate times? Please tell me.

for me, an inopportune time is when it causes a momentum shift, breaks up some good momentum. Maybe that applies more to the turnovers, his fouls often seem unnecessary and sometimes caused by his overaggressiveness (but usually not effective aggression).

 

[HailBlazers]

And remember, Vonleh has only been in 88 games for his career. I really think next year is his time to shine.

As for this year, I think coming off the bench would better suit him. Though, I don't really call him a "starter" either... he is, but not much of one.

Like CJ last year, essentially a rookie.

 

[Strenuus]

Like CJ last year, essentially a rookie.

Exactly.

 

[blue9]

And remember, Vonleh has only been in 88 games for his career. I really think next year is his time to shine.

As for this year, I think coming off the bench would better suit him. Though, I don't really call him a "starter" either... he is, but not much of one.

I agree that next year is his "show it" year.
At least CJ (and even Meyers) showed, at minimum, glimpses of great play early on.

 

[Rhal]

I agree that next year is his "show it" year.
At least CJ (and even Meyers) showed, at minimum, glimpses of great play early on.

Vonleh has shown some great glimpses on D, on the other side of the ball though he has shown very little.

 

[Strenuus]

Vonleh has shown some great glimpses on D, on the other side of the ball though he has shown very little.

So, like a bigger tony allen?

 

[blue9]

Vonleh has shown some great glimpses on D, on the other side of the ball though he has shown very little.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

 

[dviss1]

For every 3 Meyers sinks, he makes his team pay. And the price is really high

Care to elaborate on this notion?

 

[dviss1]

The only reason this sounds like a good idea is because Noah Vonleh is a scrub and any alternative sounds terrific.

Now I do agree Vonleh has nice defense and is only 20 but the dude is clearly out there Bc he's this organization's golden boy right now for whatever reason. Vonleh hardly shows any help on offense and is a complete and utter liability on that front. Why he can't have an occasional say 12 point game every BLUE MOON shows me really no hope for him ANYTIME SOON.

Now could he be better later in his career? Absolutely, but I'll tell ya right now it's NOT GOING TO BE ANYTIME SOON.

People love to say "well he's only 20!" I hate that excuse look at Julius Randall he missed the whole season last year and plays for a dysfunctional organization and nobody uses the age factor for him. In half his games the kid has double double so stop using that excuse.

Now we know why CHA dumped this kid..

He's not out there to score. He's starting because he can stretch the floor while also playing arguably the best D of our bigs.

Meyers CAN'T guard PFs and Plums is a WAY smarter player.

It's really that simple.

 

[dviss1]

See, a joke wouldn't land so close to what people actually call him.

He's good for spacing and the occasional hot game or two, but his defensive inadequacies and lack of BBIQ make it hard to give him sustainable minutes.

I can't even find minutes for him on 2K.

 

[dviss1]

And no, Meyers Leonard is absolutely not better at setting picks than Plumlee or Davis.

 

[Hobbesarable]

And no, Meyers Leonard is absolutely not better at setting pics than Plumlee or Davis.

Agree with everything you said in this thread and others about Meyers Leonard.

I sometimes wonder if Meyers Leonard fans actually watch him play during the games. People provide a lot of statistics, but do they actually see how lost he is on defense?

 

[kjironman1]

And no, Meyers Leonard is absolutely not better at setting pics than Plumlee or Davis.

Yeah he does. With Plums the defender doesn't care about the pop and they cheat around him Same with Davis. No chance whatsoever that he is going to catch and shoot. So he can't break the double at all. The screen becomes ineffective. I see it time and time again.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah he does. With Plums the defender doesn't care about the pop and they cheat around him Same with Davis. No chance whatsoever that he is going to catch and shoot. So he can't break the double at all. The screen becomes ineffective. I see it time and time again.

We disagree.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Starting Aminu-Harkless-Plumlee/Davis is way better than starting that scrub Leonard at whatever position

 

[Strenuus]

Agree with everything you said in this thread and others about Meyers Leonard.

I sometimes wonder if Meyers Leonard fans actually watch him play during the games. People provide a lot of statistics, but do they actually see how lost he is on defense?

This is how I kind of imagine its going on in Meyers' head when he's on defense

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[BBert]

Is this real life?

Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality

 

[Strenuus]

Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality

Sounds like a BGD tune.

 

[Draco]

I acknowledge that Vonleh is young, and shows physical gifts that indicate he should be a power forward that makes it in this league. But to make it, he has to show progress. Here's his numbers for his two years in the league:

Noah Vonleh:
2015 - PER: 13.2, MP: 10.4, Pt/36: 11.5, Rb/36: 12.0, Bl/36: 1.3, PF/36: 2.8, TS%: 47.5%
2016 - PER: 8.3, MP: 15.9, Pt/36: 8.4, Rb/36: 9.3, Bl/36: 0.6, PF/36: 4.7, TS%: 45.5%

I think the Blazers have given him ample time to progress. His numbers don't look anything like progress. I'd call that regression.

Compared to Leonard's last two years -
Meyers Leonard:
2015 - PER: 14.8, MP: 15.4, Pt/36: 13.9, Rb/36: 10.6, Bl/36: 0.6, PF/36: 4.8, TS%: 63.1%
2016 - PER: 11.4, MP: 21.9, Pt/36: 13.8, Rb/36: 8.4, Bl/36: 0.4, PF/36: 4.9, TS%: 56.3%

It looks to me like Meyers Leonard has plateaued. He is what he is. A solid rotational player that has good usage in certain types of match ups.

I think Leonard has earned the opportunity to get more minutes. Vonleh has not demonstrated to me that he is making enough progress to warrant starting, let alone taking up minutes of a player that is performing at a higher level than he is (Leonard).

If this was a throw away year, maybe I could see continuing to start Vonleh. But since the Blazers are in the thick of the playoff race, I think we need to start and play our best players. In my opinion, Leonard is our best option at PF/C to complement the skills of our other starting big, Plumlee.

Meyers is playing better; at center. If we play OKC maybe we can start him at PF against Ibaka. I'd be happy to have the Thunder try and force the ball to Ibaka instead of giving it to Durant/Westbrook.

But there's no way Meyers can guard Blake Griffin, Draymond Green or LaMarcus Aldridge. It would be a disaster.

We should bench Vonleh soon but the Plumlee/Meyers duo only works in a few specific matchups. It'll be interesting to see what we do. Regardless of who starts I see Meyers, Plumlee, Ed all having the big man minutes. It'll be interesting how often we play small ball too.

 

[blue9]

I actually think Meyers could guard LMA. LMA isn't quick, and he doesn't like it when guys get physical - which is what Meyers excels at. Also, don't we want the Spurs trying to go through LMA rather than Kawahi, Parker, Duncan, etc?

 

[42N8Bounce]

Although it's kinda goofy, I like tweets like this. Good for Meyers.

 

[Draco]

I actually think Meyers could guard LMA. LMA isn't quick, and he doesn't like it when guys get physical - which is what Meyers excels at. Also, don't we want the Spurs trying to go through LMA rather than Kawahi, Parker, Duncan, etc?

It's not so much the 1v1 matchup with LMA. The Spurs move people and the ball better than anyone, Meyers would get lost trying to keep up.

 

[dviss1]

It's not so much the 1v1 matchup with LMA. The Spurs move people and the ball better than anyone, Meyers would get lost trying to keep up.

Popovich would just put Myers in pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop situations. He's a defensive liability.

 

[blue9]

It's not so much the 1v1 matchup with LMA. The Spurs move people and the ball better than anyone, Meyers would get lost trying to keep up.

Well yeah, that's true.

 

[kjironman1]

It's not so much the 1v1 matchup with LMA. The Spurs move people and the ball better than anyone, Meyers would get lost trying to keep up.

To be fair. Not many players don't get lost playing the Spurs but yes i am sure Meyers would get caught out of position numerous times. This would happen to Plumlee and Davis also. As it does to every team they play.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

However, as pointed out in this thread, he can really only guard the center position, so Stotts wisely now has him limited to that. The problem is. that means he can only play with Ed Davis, he cannot start with Plumlee, because Plumlee also cannot guard PF's.

This was stated quite definitively, and has never been disputed, but how do we know? Have we seen examples of him being badly burned by PFs the way Meyers has? Is the assumption that his lateral quickness is comparable to if not worse than Meyers'?

If Meyers were to start (which, BTW, I don't think he should), why exactly wouldn't Plums be able to man the 4 spot?

 

[Tunchi]

And remember, Vonleh has only been in 88 games for his career. I really think next year is his time to shine.

As for this year, I think coming off the bench would better suit him. Though, I don't really call him a "starter" either... he is, but not much of one.

Julius Randall is the same age and has had much fewer games. And already half his games played he's had double doubles. Vonleh was picked only two spots or so over him

 

[kjironman1]

This was stated quite definitively, and has never been disputed, but how do we know? Have we seen examples of him being badly burned by PFs the way Meyers has? Is the assumption that his lateral quickness is comparable to if not worse than Meyers'?

If Meyers were to start (which, BTW, I don't think he should), why exactly wouldn't Plums be able to man the 4 spot?

Actually i have seen Meyers and Plums together and Plums do just fine on the 4 while Meyers worked the center position. It worked in Chicago. But again this is all on Stotts and rotation adjustments. I started this thread because of Quick's post. I do believe there are times when Meyers is the best option but not always. Got to use this complete team.

 

[MightyMouseOps1]

Meyers has played well lately. We need him to become the third option offensively. We need a big who is a threat to score. I love Ed but he isn't going to be a consistent scorer. I think the frustrating thing with Meyers for most is that if he just developed a move or two down low he becomes a force offensively and makes the Blazers Play him. He becomes a huge mismatch offensively if he develops the post game. The big guys like Jordan Drummond Bogut Howard do not want to be at the 3 pt line and undersized bigs cannot play him inside if he develops that skill. As he is, he only provides floor spacing because his defense is poor when in pick and roll and some of the decisions he makes make you go WTF is he thinking. Also it is extremely frustrating watching a guy 7 ft 1 have 17 blocks on a season with as many minutes as he gets. With that said, there are plenty of guys in the league worth starting even though their defense is poor. The offense just has to outweigh the defensive issues and mental mistakes.

In terms of potential playoff match ups, I think you start Meyers instead of Mason against the Warriors because Bogut just wants to stand in the paint. I also think you start Harkless and Aminu or Aminu and Crabbe in this series. I think you keep him off the bench against the Spurs. Against the Clippers you start him at center and bring mason off the bench. Jordan is just like Drummond or Howard and is a nightmare matchup for Plumlee. Also clippers tend to trap guards like lillard and curry with Jordan. Meyers would be an escape pass that can get wide open shots (the same shots he likes to take anyway). I could see the Clippers putting Blake on Meyers. Meyers needs to never be on Blake griffindefensively. Against OKC I think you start both mason and Meyers as ibaka and Adams are not really huge threats offensively. I would play Mason on Ibaka and Meyers on Adams.