So NOW do you understand what I'm talking about??? We are a better team this year.

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At least we are getting some spirts of quality ball compared to nothing but shit back pre BRoy/LA !


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I figured this season they'd struggle early and figure shit out after the allstar break so I'm good with the extended training camp. As long as they're better in March than November it's mission accomplished.
 
I'm really impressed with Crabbe and Ed Davis..they were better than I expected from the start of the season
 
riverman said:
I figured this season they'd struggle early and figure shit out after the allstar break so I'm good with the extended training camp. As long as they're better in March than November it's mission accomplished.
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Sorry man, but I feel the complete opposite is going to happen. I felt and still feel that we have played our best ball. Catching teams off guard early in the season. Mid season trades...... =nosedive.


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HCP said:
Sorry man, but I feel the complete opposite is going to happen. I felt and still feel that we have played our best ball. Catching teams off guard early in the season. Mid season trades...... =nosedive.


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That's always been the case since Stotts became our coach. His teams start out playing better than they actually are, and as time goes by and scouting reports come in his teams do worse.
 
Portland isn't actually that far from the #8 Playoff spot which if this was last year or the year before, would mean much more. This year, outside of G-St and SA, the West looks more like the East in years past and a bad team around or even under .500 could make the playoffs. That is like being the #4 seed when you are actually the #6 seed....doesn't mean much other than a rapid dismissal by the Warriors in the playoffs and then a bad Draft pick.

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HCP said:
Sorry man, but I feel the complete opposite is going to happen. I felt and still feel that we have played our best ball. Catching teams off guard early in the season. Mid season trades...... =nosedive.


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I tend to agree as we only have so many weapons and teams have figured us out
 
Blazinaway said:
I tend to agree as we only have so many weapons and teams have figured us out
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Instead of developing some of the younger players, every one is basically sent out there to run around and set screens for Dame/CJ as they shoot shot after shot. Once in a while someone else gets to shoot an open '3' but that's about it. Until Stotts starts throwing Plumlee/Vonleh etc a bone to try and get them some experience in actually getting and taking a good shot, this team will be way out of balance and look like Curry/Ellis from years back.

Of course there will be growing pains and Vonleh on the block won't be as good of a shot at the time as something Dame/CJ might throw up but this is about LONG TERM development and being better down the road. You see the bigs give up the ball as soon as they get it to get it back to one of the guards and they have little confidence to shoot unless it is against the clock or off on offensive rebound right at the hoop.
 
TBpup said:
Instead of developing some of the younger players, every one is basically sent out there to run around and set screens for Dame/CJ as they shoot shot after shot. Once in a while someone else gets to shoot an open '3' but that's about it. Until Stotts starts throwing Plumlee/Vonleh etc a bone to try and get them some experience in actually getting and taking a good shot, this team will be way out of balance and look like Curry/Ellis from years back.

Of course there will be growing pains and Vonleh on the block won't be as good of a shot at the time as something Dame/CJ might throw up but this is about LONG TERM development and being better down the road. You see the bigs give up the ball as soon as they get it to get it back to one of the guards and they have little confidence to shoot unless it is against the clock or off on offensive rebound right at the hoop.
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before the last game Meyers was something like 1-19 from 3pt range..Aminu and Crabbe are shooting, Henderson had a couple of scoring games..in my view this is all going to take time to build chemistry.....which causes all those turnovers. Sometimes it's going to look really ugly
 
TBpup said:
Instead of developing some of the younger players, every one is basically sent out there to run around and set screens for Dame/CJ as they shoot shot after shot. Once in a while someone else gets to shoot an open '3' but that's about it. Until Stotts starts throwing Plumlee/Vonleh etc a bone to try and get them some experience in actually getting and taking a good shot, this team will be way out of balance and look like Curry/Ellis from years back.

Of course there will be growing pains and Vonleh on the block won't be as good of a shot at the time as something Dame/CJ might throw up but this is about LONG TERM development and being better down the road. You see the bigs give up the ball as soon as they get it to get it back to one of the guards and they have little confidence to shoot unless it is against the clock or off on offensive rebound right at the hoop.
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Yeah, Stotts is really failing in this developmental cycle. Like always he's coaching for every regular season win he can get. I really thought we'd see much more pick/roll action now that LMA isn't on the team and we have guys who can set picks AND roll, but it still rarely happens. The key to this being a successful season is to EXPAND everyones individual games, but so far everyone is just doing the same things they've always done as players.
 
blue9 said:
Yeah, Stotts is really failing in this developmental cycle. Like always he's coaching for every regular season win he can get. I really thought we'd see much more pick/roll action now that LMA isn't on the team and we have guys who can set picks AND roll, but it still rarely happens. The key to this being a successful season is to EXPAND everyones individual games, but so far everyone is just doing the same things they've always done as players.
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Quite right. I respect Stotts trying to get wins but that is not what is going to help this team in the long run. Plumlee, Vonleh, Aminu, Harkless, Davis and Crabbe need to develop the weaker parts of their games even though there will obviously be some growing pains.
 
TBpup said:
Instead of developing some of the younger players, every one is basically sent out there to run around and set screens for Dame/CJ as they shoot shot after shot. Once in a while someone else gets to shoot an open '3' but that's about it. Until Stotts starts throwing Plumlee/Vonleh etc a bone to try and get them some experience in actually getting and taking a good shot, this team will be way out of balance and look like Curry/Ellis from years back.

Of course there will be growing pains and Vonleh on the block won't be as good of a shot at the time as something Dame/CJ might throw up but this is about LONG TERM development and being better down the road. You see the bigs give up the ball as soon as they get it to get it back to one of the guards and they have little confidence to shoot unless it is against the clock or off on offensive rebound right at the hoop.
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I have to disagree. Putting x player in a situation they can't possibly succeed in is madness.
Just like telling a kid to go ride a bike without any previous exposure and no training wheels could turn out disastrous...
So could putting as player in a situation they couldn't hope to succeed in.
It may be a rebuilding year, but not everyone is equal in mental toughness. Or takes failure as a way to improve.(See poor FT shooters)
 
TBpup said:
Instead of developing some of the younger players, every one is basically sent out there to run around and set screens for Dame/CJ as they shoot shot after shot. Once in a while someone else gets to shoot an open '3' but that's about it. Until Stotts starts throwing Plumlee/Vonleh etc a bone to try and get them some experience in actually getting and taking a good shot, this team will be way out of balance and look like Curry/Ellis from years back.

Of course there will be growing pains and Vonleh on the block won't be as good of a shot at the time as something Dame/CJ might throw up but this is about LONG TERM development and being better down the road. You see the bigs give up the ball as soon as they get it to get it back to one of the guards and they have little confidence to shoot unless it is against the clock or off on offensive rebound right at the hoop.
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Agreed. Dame and CJ are two of my favorites on the team, but we need to set plays for other players in the offense. It'll likely result in less wins in the short-term, but, as you said, this is a long term approach.
 
This is rapidly turning into a depressing non-rebuild.

CJ and Crabbe have shown progress and Plumlee looks like he may be a solid piece. The rest of the roster is comprised of journeymen who have already reached their "meh" ceiling, or guys whose ceiling is too low to worry about. "Internal improvement" isn't getting us anywhere close to where we were just 2 seasons ago.

Patience is not always a virtue.
 
I think it's ridiculous that some of you don't want Stotts and the players to try to win every game they can. Winning is better than losing. Period.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
It is for me. I'll NEVER want my favorite team to lose just because it might give them a slightly higher chance of getting a better player in the draft.
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I didn't say it's bad to want them to win, it's just better if they lose. If they wanna go insane and win 30 in a row, fine by me.

They just won't and they need more players. So losing is winning possibly.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
It is for me. I'll NEVER want my favorite team to lose just because it might give them a slightly higher chance of getting a better player in the draft.
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Disclaimer--this post will be TL;DR.

The sentiment of frustration about Stotts going all out to try to win every game has nothing to do (for most people) with draft position. It has to do with bringing out secondary players ability to contribute meaningfully.

Imagine if we spent five games--just five--primarily running offensive sets designed to get shots for Leonard, Vonleh, Harkless, and Plumlee. If CJ and Dame took a backseat for those five games and sought primarily to use their playmaking abilities to get secondary scorers hitting on all cylinders.

Would we lose all five games? Probably. But could it help break Meyers out of his slump? Maybe. Could Vonleh figure out how to be involved and engaged in the offense on a game to game basis? Theoretically. Could it bring Harkless back to the land of the living? Possibly. Could it cause defenses to pay more attention to Plumlee in the past, thereby opening up a little space for everyone else? Perhaps.

My concern, and the concern of many others, is that the potential growth and development of several players on the team may be being stunted by the apparent win-every-game mentality that leads to Dame and CJ taking half of the team's shots. I'd love to see Stotts encourage them defer more to the secondary and tertiary players to see who might actually step up in expanded roles, because that would likely be beneficial to the franchise in the long term.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Disclaimer--this post will be TL;DR.

The sentiment of frustration about Stotts going all out to try to win every game has nothing to do (for most people) with draft position. It has to do with bringing out secondary players ability to contribute meaningfully.

Imagine if we spent five games--just five--primarily running offensive sets designed to get shots for Leonard, Vonleh, Harkless, and Plumlee. If CJ and Dame took a backseat for those five games and sought primarily to use their playmaking abilities to get secondary scorers hitting on all cylinders.

Would we lose all five games? Probably. But could it help break Meyers out of his slump? Maybe. Could Vonleh figure out how to be involved and engaged in the offense on a game to game basis? Theoretically. Could it bring Harkless back to the land of the living? Possibly. Could it cause defenses to pay more attention to Plumlee in the past, thereby opening up a little space for everyone else? Perhaps.

My concern, and the concern of many others, is that the potential growth and development of several players on the team may be being stunted by the apparent win-every-game mentality that leads to Dame and CJ taking half of the team's shots. I'd love to see Stotts encourage them defer more to the secondary and tertiary players to see who might actually step up in expanded roles, because that would likely be beneficial to the franchise in the long term.
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this is IMO a developmental yr, I'd like to see Cliff get some reg minutes (5-10 mpg) for 5 games or so and if he plays well then he keeps them or earns more, at least give him a chance to earn more, same for Montero and even Pat
 
I think Stotts is doing a fine job. He was handed a completely unfamiliar group to coach for the most part and all that experimenting belongs in the practice room...I think he's kept a solid 10 man rotation and spread the minutes around to include newer guys. If Meyers wasn't sucking it up, we'd feel much better about the roster I think...he's having a horrible shooting season for a guy we expected to start and collect double doubles night in and night out
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Disclaimer--this post will be TL;DR.

The sentiment of frustration about Stotts going all out to try to win every game has nothing to do (for most people) with draft position. It has to do with bringing out secondary players ability to contribute meaningfully.

Imagine if we spent five games--just five--primarily running offensive sets designed to get shots for Leonard, Vonleh, Harkless, and Plumlee. If CJ and Dame took a backseat for those five games and sought primarily to use their playmaking abilities to get secondary scorers hitting on all cylinders.

Would we lose all five games? Probably. But could it help break Meyers out of his slump? Maybe. Could Vonleh figure out how to be involved and engaged in the offense on a game to game basis? Theoretically. Could it bring Harkless back to the land of the living? Possibly. Could it cause defenses to pay more attention to Plumlee in the past, thereby opening up a little space for everyone else? Perhaps.

My concern, and the concern of many others, is that the potential growth and development of several players on the team may be being stunted by the apparent win-every-game mentality that leads to Dame and CJ taking half of the team's shots. I'd love to see Stotts encourage them defer more to the secondary and tertiary players to see who might actually step up in expanded roles, because that would likely be beneficial to the franchise in the long term.
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Those players have plenty of opportunities to contribute and show their worth, they don't need the offense run through them.
 
For those who want to see the end of the bench guys....we need to start blowing out some teams for that to happen. Also if they suck, they'll lose trade value
 
Stotts starts Vonleh. This way Noah gets to bang with opponents' starters instead of against their 2nd units.

It seems to me he's both developing the guy who needs it the most as well as trying to win.

The guys on the end of the bench? They have to show in practice they deserve to be in the NBA.
 
riverman said:
For those who want to see the end of the bench guys....we need to start blowing out some teams for that to happen. Also if they suck, they'll lose trade value
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LOL, seriously they have basically NO trade value at this time, and they will much more likely get playin time when we are gettin blown out then vice versa, they will get some time when the playoffs are out of reach and even for the most optimistic and that likely happen 2nd half or last third of season IMO
 
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