So NOW do you understand what I'm talking about??? We are a better team this year.

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PtldPlatypus said:
No worries. The thing is, the narrative about the East "catching up" has been based on the improvement at the top, not in the middle. Nobody cares if their mediocre teams are .500 instead of .450. And though there has been a large number of top-10 picks in the East over the past 5 years, the teams that are doing well aren't doing so on the strength of their contributions. If you want to laud the incremental improvement of the 6-15 teams ("Hooray Hornets! 5 years of top 10 picks have you in the 6 seed!"), you're welcome to do it, but it doesn't impress me much until/unless those top-10 picks actually contribute to a contender.
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The Hornets are actually a very good example. They have now won 5 straight and are in the 6th seed as well. Their starters are Zeller is in his 3rd year, Kemba Walker is in his 5th. They got a player from the Blazers and have two role guys coming off the bench in Kaminsky and Lamb. That team made moves and used draft picks to improve. Last year 33-49. this year already 35-28. Perfect example.
 
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Last year's team finished year 22-27

This year's team finishing 28-13 with 2 home games coming up against lotto teams.

Last year's team had 6th best record in West.

This year's team currently tied for 5th best record in West.
 
Still would get swept by last years team, sorry.
 
TBpup said:
Last year missing Matthews and Afflalo in the Playoffs.
This year Clippers will finish missing Paul and will have an injured Griffin.

Injuries are part of the game.
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Goes without saying. However we would still be 2 and 2 with a healthy Paul and non-injured Griffin. We never trailed in the game. But of course the rest of the series could have (likely would have) went a little differently. We are playing better right now than last year even if Matthews played. Our team packed it in last year. Not so this year.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
We are playing better right now than last year even if Matthews played. Our team packed it in last year. Not so this year.
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No. Before Matthews' injury, the Blazers had turned the corner to contender status. The game-closing lineup with Matthews/Afflalo/Batum was performing as well as any group league-wide. We're definitely playing better than the post-achilles-tear Blazers, but that pre-injury squad was (IMO) the best Blazer team since 2000.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
No. Before Matthews' injury, the Blazers had turned the corner to contender status. The game-closing lineup with Matthews/Afflalo/Batum was performing as well as any group league-wide. We're definitely playing better than the post-achilles-tear Blazers, but that pre-injury squad was (IMO) the best Blazer team since 2000.
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The team mentally packed in last year in the playoffs (well really in the last 10 so so games of the season too). I am saying if Matthews would have been able to come back to the playoffs it wouldn't have mattered as it was a mental problem as much as it was a physical problem for our team. LMA had one foot out the door and so did Rolo.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
The team mentally packed in last year in the playoffs (well really in the last 10 so so games of the season too). I am saying if Matthews would have been able to come back to the playoffs it wouldn't have mattered as it was a mental problem as much as it was a physical problem for our team. LMA had one foot out the door and so did Rolo.
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Marshmallow had 2 feet out the door.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
The team mentally packed in last year in the playoffs (well really in the last 10 so so games of the season too). I am saying if Matthews would have been able to come back to the playoffs it wouldn't have mattered as it was a mental problem as much as it was a physical problem for our team. LMA had one foot out the door and so did Rolo.
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And I'm saying that Matthews' injury and absence were the reason that LMA and Rolo were already looking toward next season. Once he went down, and Afflalo was seen to be a completely inferior replacement, the free agents knew there was no point in giving it their all. Had Wes been there and healthy that wouldn't have happened, and we would have seen a completely different effort level throughout the end of the season and into the playoffs.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
By the way, this comes off as pretty condescending. You're better than that.
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Condescending to someone who has thin skin. Helping someone gain perspective or saying that they can gain perspective is not condescending at all. Gaining perspective simply means that you are seeing it a different way. Thicken that skin up bruh.
 
dviss1 said:
Condescending to someone who has been scanned. Helping someone gain perspective or saying that they can gain perspective is not condescending at all. Gaining perspective simply means that you are seeing it a different way. Thicken that skin up bruh.
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When you're suggesting that someone can gain perspective by reviewing information that is essentially common knowledge, the implication is that the person's lack of perspective is steeped in massive ignorance, hence the condescension. It would be like someone linking you to the text of the 2nd amendment during a gun control debate, as though you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

And regarding thickening up my skin--I wasn't offended; I was trying to offer you some perspective on how your debate tactics are often perceived.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
When you're suggesting that someone can gain perspective by reviewing information that is essentially common knowledge, the implication is that the person's lack of perspective is steeped in massive ignorance, hence the condescension. It would be like someone linking you to the text of the 2nd amendment during a gun control debate, as though you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

And regarding thickening up my skin--I wasn't offended; I was trying to offer you some perspective on how your debate tactics are often perceived.
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Great.

Fucking.

Post.

Thanks for the perspective. :clap:
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm so confused.... Platypus wasn't quoting Dviss when he said that.... Dviss replied to a post by Platypus from over a month ago.

And then they resolved their differences like adults.... wtf is happening here!?!?!
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This is what happens when you get to playoff wins in a row and have a chance at winning the series! :dunno:

Plus I have lots of respect for him as a poster.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
No. Before Matthews' injury, the Blazers had turned the corner to contender status. The game-closing lineup with Matthews/Afflalo/Batum was performing as well as any group league-wide. We're definitely playing better than the post-achilles-tear Blazers, but that pre-injury squad was (IMO) the best Blazer team since 2000.
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Dude, we had that game closing lineup for 5 games. You can't know how we would've played in playoffs. We still had both our All Stars and only won one game. You're not contender if losing one role player causes you to get bumped in the FIRST ROUND in FIVE GAMES. That team was weak minded. This team is way better.
 
TBpup said:
Last year missing Matthews and Afflalo in the Playoffs.
This year Clippers will finish missing Paul and will have an injured Griffin.

Injuries are part of the game.
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Exactly. Our team is better this year. There'd be an asterisk near every championship if you took into account injuries. Injuries happen.
 
OK, I'll man up and admit I was wrong.

By making it to the second round of the play-offs, this roster has officially put together a better season than what last year's roster accomplished.
 
oldmangrouch said:
OK, I'll man up and admit I was wrong.

By making it to the second round of the play-offs, this roster has officially put together a better season than what last year's roster accomplished.
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Yep. All gravy from here. Only 8 teams make it this far. EIGHT. We were supposed to be the 14th best team in our conference! Now we're the top EIGHT in the ENTIRE league.

Suck it, experts.
 
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