OT So, That's Your Generation

[PtldPlatypus]

Again read the statement at the bottom.
Generation does not start until you are considered adult. Not Birth.

Does anything in that link actually state the date range that the Boomers become adults? No. But it does state that boomers are born between 46-64, and it does state that the younger boomers (Boomer II) were just young enough to not be drafted, and it does state that the US Census bureau defined the Boomer generation designation.

You are holding onto one vague, undefined statement, claiming it supports you, when everything in that link says you're wrong. And honestly, even that statement says you're wrong.

Generation is defined by when you considered an adult. When did the Vietnam draft start? 1964. Who turned 18 that year? The youngest Boomers, born in 1946.

I'll let a non-Boomer sum it up for me.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Does anything in that link actually state the date range that the Boomers become adults? No. But it does state that boomers are born between 46-64, and it does state that the younger boomers (Boomer II) were just young enough to not be drafted, and it does state that the US Census bureau defined the Boomer generation designation.

You are holding onto one vague, undefined statement, claiming it supports you, when everything in that link says you're wrong. And honestly, even that statement says you're wrong.

Generation is defined by when you considered an adult. When did the Vietnam draft start? 1964. Who turned 18 that year? The youngest Boomers, born in 1946.

I'll let a non-Boomer sum it up for me.

Seriously most everyone who was around 40 years ago would agree with my stance.
But sure. I can be wrong on your opinion here.
Nobody. Absolutely no one in 1975 would have backed you on this. Know that.

 

[ABM]

I've always been coinsidered a Boomer. Lakeridge High. Class of '75.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I’m going to stay with what I know on this. The entire generation timeline has changed due to money and political changes we made over the last 40 years. If you had google in 1975 the timeline would have read much differently.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Seriously most everyone who was around 40 years ago would agree with my stance.
But sure. I can be wrong on your opinion here.
Nobody. Absolutely no one in 1975 would have backed you on this. Know that.

Heh. We know that most people were very wrong about a whole lot in 1975.

In my experience the "post war boomer" was being taught in schools in the 80s, by people who were trained by academia in the 70s.

People who taught us about racism, slavery, the holocaust, how cruel the settlers and US government was to native Americans... Good teachers.

Though, I don't think they were up to date on how much of a shit Christopher Columbus was yet...

 

[Phatguysrule]

I've always been coinsidered a Boomer. Lakeridge High. Class of '75.

Yes, you were born between 1946-64.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Heh. We know that most people were very wrong about a whole lot in 1975.

In my experience the "post war boomer" was being taught in schools in the 80s, by people who were trained by academia in the 70s.

People who taught us about racism, slavery, the holocaust, how cruel the settlers and US government was to native Americans... Good teachers.

Though, I don't think they were up to date on how much of a shit Christopher Columbus was yet...

Look. The current generation is being taken to the cleaners. They are taking your money and funding more wars with it. The giant corporate interest and those who want to stay in power are moving the lines to stay there. This is a perfect example. It started with the clown actor as a president. Pensions and living wage jobs are becoming a thing of that very past you are mocking. The middle class is getting smaller and those living in poverty or having to work multiple jobs to stay afloat are pretty much the norm.
But back to the original point that started all of this?
Boomers and what they accomplished might never be achieved again unless those who are now turning of age make a decision to make a difference.
Right now it seems they can’t look up from Tic Toc long enough to care. If you think the teaching in the 70’s was a problem don’t look at what is being taught now. You won’t like it at all.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

By the way. I’m an Alien so please understand I know more about all of this than any of you do.

 

[jonnyboy]

Seriously most everyone who was around 40 years ago would agree with my stance.
But sure. I can be wrong on your opinion here.
Nobody. Absolutely no one in 1975 would have backed you on this. Know that.

Are you aware the time we are currently living in? Nobody cares about 1975. Not sure why you insist we all adopt some random standard from 40 years ago.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Look. The current generation is being taken to the cleaners. They are taking your money and funding more wars with it. The giant corporate interest and those who want to stay in power are moving the lines to stay there. This is a perfect example. It started with the clown actor as a president. Pensions and living wage jobs are becoming a thing of that very past you are mocking. The middle class is getting smaller and those living in poverty or having to work multiple jobs to stay afloat are pretty much the norm.
But back to the original point that started all of this?
Boomers and what they accomplished might never be achieved again unless those who are now turning of age make a decision to make a difference.
Right now it seems they can’t look up from Tic Toc long enough to care. If you think the teaching in the 70’s was a problem don’t look at what is being taught now. You won’t like it at all.

I didn't say what was taught in the 70s was a problem. But we've learned that a lot of our beliefs at the time were flat wrong.

Just because pop culture believed people born during the war were boomers doesn't make it true.

Yes, the boomers have screwed up a TON for future generations. We can all agree on that. The following generations have an incredible amount to overcome.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

The people who actually enacted those movements and passed the legislation were born in the 20s and 30s. Women’s suffrage, civil rights. Boomers were young during those times. They lived it, but didn’t DO it.

Now you are talking straight bullshit just to keep the conversation going. You weren't there. You did not experience it. Do you really, REALLY think those old white men would have passed all those progressive changes without the youth of that time pushing them to their limits???? You need to go back and read up on your history. It was at least as turbulent of an era as the current era is. Go back and look at how many Boomers got their heads busted (or went to jail) for exercising their constitutional rights. Sorry Jonny, but that was an entirely clueless and uninformed comment. Don't let your resentment color the reality. Absolutely none of the good stuff that came out of the "Boomer Era" would have happened without the boomers leading from the front.

 

[jonnyboy]

Look. The current generation is being taken to the cleaners. They are taking your money and funding more wars with it. The giant corporate interest and those who want to stay in power are moving the lines to stay there. This is a perfect example. It started with the clown actor as a president. Pensions and living wage jobs are becoming a thing of that very past you are mocking. The middle class is getting smaller and those living in poverty or having to work multiple jobs to stay afloat are pretty much the norm.
But back to the original point that started all of this?
Boomers and what they accomplished might never be achieved again unless those who are now turning of age make a decision to make a difference.
Right now it seems they can’t look up from Tic Toc long enough to care. If you think the teaching in the 70’s was a problem don’t look at what is being taught now. You won’t like it at all.

Boomers literally created all those awful things you mentioned. They inherited a surplus and arguably the greatest economy in the history of the world. They were given everything, took all of it and left nothing. They created every level of economic gatekeeping that is shutting out the younger generations. They are denying younger people the things that they easily acquired. They created the credit system after buying houses and cars without credit. They are basically sitting around happy with everything they’ve looted and wondering why younger generations are unmotivated and hopelessly lost in their phones. Boomers took all the meat off the bone and wonder why the younger generations aren’t lining up to fight over a bone with no meat on it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

@jonnyboy is being agest!

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Boomers literally created all those awful things you mentioned. They inherited a surplus and arguably the greatest economy in the history of the world. They were given everything, took all of it and left nothing. They created every level of economic gatekeeping that is shutting out the younger generations. They are denying younger people the things that they easily acquired. They created the credit system after buying houses and cars without credit. They are basically sitting around happy with everything they’ve looted and wondering why younger generations are unmotivated and hopelessly lost in their phones. Boomers took all the meat off the bone and wonder why the younger generations aren’t lining up to fight over a bone with no meat on it.

And you just shit on everything so many of us worked our asses off for. Do you think the Boomers had this big club where everyone got together and planned on how to fuck the generations who follow us??? We had no grand plans other than to make our way in this world, to raise families and live our best lives, just as every generation before us. We took what was the world we were handed and made good faith efforts to improve on it. Sure we fucked it up in spots, just as every other generation did. But you seem to think we deliberately set out to fuck you and the following generations. We did NOT "take all the meat off the bone". As @Fairly-Hard pointed out, that started with the Reagan administration......and those were most certainly not boomers. You personally seem to do okay for yourself jobwise. I'd like to think it is because you have "gumption" (for lack of a better word) and brains, along with a strong work ethic. From my faraway, behind a computer vantage point, you seem to have everything I (and most of my friends) have in terms of a job and standard of living. No more, no less. So where is this resentment coming from? I wasn't "handed" anything. I toiled at hard, dirty work and lived paycheck to paycheck most of my working life. Just like you (I assume). You have made it clear that you do not like Boomers denigrating or lumping younger generations into stereotypes. Please give us the same consideration.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Boomers literally created all those awful things you mentioned. They inherited a surplus and arguably the greatest economy in the history of the world. They were given everything, took all of it and left nothing. They created every level of economic gatekeeping that is shutting out the younger generations. They are denying younger people the things that they easily acquired. They created the credit system after buying houses and cars without credit. They are basically sitting around happy with everything they’ve looted and wondering why younger generations are unmotivated and hopelessly lost in their phones. Boomers took all the meat off the bone and wonder why the younger generations aren’t lining up to fight over a bone with no meat on it.

One of your best posts i have read yet. Glad you are participating in this conversation.
Please however understand that generation also fought very hard against all those issues. The progressives of that time were admonished as "Tree Huggers" "Flower Child" "Druggies" and "Unpatriotic". Does this sound at all similar to some of the names being thrown out there now? "Snowflake" "Libtard" "Democrap" "Moonbat".
I'm a teacher/instructor. I get a chance to work with 20-25 year olds on a monthly basis. I've been doing it for about 8 years now. I see some of the very hardest working strongest willed students i could ever ask for. They do this under incredible pressures that my generation and generations before me never even thought about having to deal with.
I really like that you brought up the credit system because that is a huge issue. Banks and Corporate predatory issues destroying this generation. This is a huge issue. The current situation is unsustainable. Something needs to give. I'm not powerful enough to change it myself but if enough if us stand for what is right it can be changed.
Not everyone is sitting around enjoying what they "Looted". Some fought and are still fighting to keep what is left of an American dream alive.

Hopefully all generation can join together in this fight and work for what is best for everyone. Big dreams happen for those who can dream big.

 

[Phatguysrule]

And you just shit on everything so many of us worked our asses off for. Do you think the Boomers had this big club where everyone got together and planned on how to fuck the generations who follow us??? We had no grand plans other than to make our way in this world, to raise families and live our best lives, just as every generation before us. We took what was the world we were handed and made good faith efforts to improve on it. Sure we fucked it up in spots, just as every other generation did. But you seem to think we deliberately set out to fuck you and the following generations. We did NOT "take all the meat off the bone". As @Fairly-Hard pointed out, that started with the Reagan administration......and those were most certainly not boomers. You personally seem to do okay for yourself jobwise. I'd like to think it is because you have "gumption" (for lack of a better word) and brains, along with a strong work ethic. From my faraway, behind a computer vantage point, you seem to have everything I (and most of my friends) have in terms of a job and standard of living. No more, no less. So where is this resentment coming from? I wasn't "handed" anything. I toiled at hard, dirty work and lived paycheck to paycheck most of my working life. Just like you (I assume). You have made it clear that you do not like Boomers denigrating or lumping younger generations into stereotypes. Please give us the same consideration.

The boomers just lined up to follow and push those policies that benefited themselves at the expense of their children and grandchildren.

And boomers are now who keeps voting in the old assholes who are furthering the problem. Younger generations don't have the free time to dedicate to politics because the generations before them killed a decent wage and inflated the cost of living.

Yes, it's unsustainable. And without extraordinary technological advancement and drastic changes that boomers are fighting against life for future generations will be much much more difficult.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Are you aware the time we are currently living in? Nobody cares about 1975. Not sure why you insist we all adopt some random standard from 40 years ago.

I'm an Alien. I do not understand "Time" the way you humans do.
I also tend to look and try to learn from the past and present. I use logic as my main search engine through a maze of information.
These lines we are speaking of were changed. Most understand that. Not taking that into account would give you a false narrative to make sense of what we are talking about. In this instance the Facts have been altered.
Boomers are those who came of age from 46-65. Many would add the 5 years of 66-70 as well.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

The boomers just lined up to follow and push those policies that benefited themselves at the expense of their children and grandchildren.

And boomers are now who keeps voting in the old assholes who are furthering the problem. Younger generations don't have the free time to dedicate to politics because the generations before them killed a decent wage and inflated the cost of living.

Not all of them. Martin Luther King Jr. got people to line up behind him.

 

[riverman]

I know I got where I am on my own with my own hard work and some good choices along the way but my son who was born in 91 is way ahead of where I was at his age...although he didn't have an expensive divorce that took 23 years to pay off. All his friends are sitting at tables with a lot more meat on the bone than I remember chewing on along the way....different strokes for different folks but as I said....if you don't pay attention to history even as recent as 1975...it's doomed to repeat itself as Uncle Cliffy's daddy said. People search until they find home....some never find it

 

[jonnyboy]

And you just shit on everything so many of us worked our asses off for. Do you think the Boomers had this big club where everyone got together and planned on how to fuck the generations who follow us??? We had no grand plans other than to make our way in this world, to raise families and live our best lives, just as every generation before us. We took what was the world we were handed and made good faith efforts to improve on it. Sure we fucked it up in spots, just as every other generation did. But you seem to think we deliberately set out to fuck you and the following generations. We did NOT "take all the meat off the bone". As @Fairly-Hard pointed out, that started with the Reagan administration......and those were most certainly not boomers. You personally seem to do okay for yourself jobwise. I'd like to think it is because you have "gumption" (for lack of a better word) and brains, along with a strong work ethic. From my faraway, behind a computer vantage point, you seem to have everything I (and most of my friends) have in terms of a job and standard of living. No more, no less. So where is this resentment coming from? I wasn't "handed" anything. I toiled at hard, dirty work and lived paycheck to paycheck most of my working life. Just like you (I assume). You have made it clear that you do not like Boomers denigrating or lumping younger generations into stereotypes. Please give us the same consideration.

I don’t mean any of it “personally”, as in, I think most you are probably great people, I love my parents, friends parents and the many “boomer” friends I have. As far as the middle class goes, yes I agree that most probably just did what they could to get by with no ill will.

The biggest problem I have is the boomer generation being the most vocal when pointing out the shortfalls of younger generations. Many of us are working just as hard or harder with less money, less resources, more hurdles, more competition, more uncertainty, more inflation, less outlook of any kind of future. I think the older generations think because we have phones and technology we are somehow spoiled. We literally have to have these things to survive in any sort of normal day to day environment without falling through the cracks. They run our lives. Most of us hate it. I’d love nothing more than to throw the little box in my pocket out the window and live a simpler life but that is nearly out of the question.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not all of them. Martin Luther King Jr. got people to line up behind him.

Not all of any population does anything, obviously, aside from a very few life sustaining acts like eat, sleep, and shit. But we're discussing the overall impact of the whole generation, are we not?

 

[jonnyboy]

@jonnyboy is being agest!

*ageist.

You’re losing your marbles old timer.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I don’t mean any of it “personally”, as in, I think most you are probably great people, I love my parents, friends parents and the many “boomer” friends I have. As far as the middle class goes, yes I agree that most probably just did what they could to get by with no ill will.

The biggest problem I have is the boomer generation being the most vocal when pointing out the shortfalls of younger generations. Many of us are working just as hard or harder with less money, less resources, more hurdles, more competition, more uncertainty, more inflation, less outlook of any kind of future. I think the older generations think because we have phones and technology we are somehow spoiled. We literally have to have these things to survive in any sort of normal day to day environment without falling through the cracks. They run our lives. Most of us hate it. I’d love nothing more than to throw the little box in my pocket out the window and live a simpler life but that is nearly out of the question.

Even more so you have some catastrophic world issues looking you all right in the face.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Not all of any population does anything, obviously. But we're discussing the overall impact of the whole generation, are we not?

I simply used one as an example of a great many I can list. Civil Rights is only one issue as well. Many people fought for and died for that issue alone.
The transformation of the Willamette River was huge in Portland. SOLV, GreenPeace, NASA, Women's Rights, Need i bring up Abortion? The list goes on and on.

 

[riverman]

*ageist.

You’re losing your marbles old timer.

even saying "losing your marbles" dates you to about 1955 black and white tv dialogue....a real humdinger!

 

[Fairly-Hard]

How about the forming of the EPA?

 

[Fairly-Hard]

even saying "losing your marbles" dates you to about 1955 black and white tv dialogue....a real humdinger!

Golly Wally!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

*ageist.

You’re losing your marbles old timer.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=agest

I use the urban dictionary, you hillbilly.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How about the forming of the EPA?

Never go full Nixon.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I don’t mean any of it “personally”, as in, I think most you are probably great people, I love my parents, friends parents and the many “boomer” friends I have. As far as the middle class goes, yes I agree that most probably just did what they could to get by with no ill will.

The biggest problem I have is the boomer generation being the most vocal when pointing out the shortfalls of younger generations. Many of us are working just as hard or harder with less money, less resources, more hurdles, more competition, more uncertainty, more inflation, less outlook of any kind of future. I think the older generations think because we have phones and technology we are somehow spoiled. We literally have to have these things to survive in any sort of normal day to day environment without falling through the cracks. They run our lives. Most of us hate it. I’d love nothing more than to throw the little box in my pocket out the window and live a simpler life but that is nearly out of the question.

And I don't take it personally (at least not from you). But you just literally described my working life. Early on we (barely) scraped by on my low(er) paying job, supplemented by the GI Bill, so my wife could stay home and be a mother until my sons reached school age. I worked a full time job and then went to school for 3-18 hours a term in an effort to get ahead professionally. It was brutal. How my wife balanced our budget still awes me to this day. If it wasn't for credit we would have went under. When my wife finally joined the work force we still struggled, because kids get more costly as they get older. We were fortunate to have supportive parents, but it was still a struggle. And in the mid '70's inflation was rampant and the job market sucked. Home loan interest rates were in the high teens (we thought we had died and gone to heaven when a momentary "glitch" in 1986 allowed us to finance a home for "only" 9.5% interest!!) Every generation had its road blocks that the previous generations are at least partially responsible for. Not making excuses, just pointing out the reality. And I wish I was going to be around when the generations following yours comes into their own.....just so I can know how you folks "failed".......

And I agree wholeheartedly on the cell phone thing. I did not succumb until just 10 years ago. And in general I'm sorry I did. I love having a computer in my pocket, but if only I could totally disable the telephone part........