So what's next for the roster

[B-Roy]

True - but for all his struggles, Leonard still got to play over 1200 minutes as a rookie. Vonleh only managed 260. That is "deep in the coach's doghouse" territory. Leonard was clueless, but at least worked hard enough to earn garbage time minutes.

The Blazers were so bad that year. The bench consisted of guys like Sasha Pavlovic and Nolan Smith getting big minutes. Of course Meyers got to play.

The Hornets were actually trying to win games last year. Noah had more competition to earn minutes. Also Steve Clifford did not like giving minutes to the young guys.

 

[blue9]

True - but for all his struggles, Leonard still got to play over 1200 minutes as a rookie. Vonleh only managed 260. That is "deep in the coach's doghouse" territory. Leonard was clueless, but at least worked hard enough to earn garbage time minutes.

Didn't Vonleh miss training camp due to an injury? So maybe he should be compared to CJ?

 

[lawai'a]

True - but for all his struggles, Leonard still got to play over 1200 minutes as a rookie. Vonleh only managed 260. That is "deep in the coach's doghouse" territory. Leonard was clueless, but at least worked hard enough to earn garbage time minutes.

vonleh had sports hernia operation , missed all of traing camp and the beginning of the season. charlotte thought they might make the playoffs, cody zeller the year befores first round pick and marvin williams was ahead on the depth chart, kid was 19yo when drafted. might these have contributed to his lack of playing time?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I confused why we're lumping Vonleh in with T-Rob. T-Rob's BBIQ is more Travis Outlaw than Vonleh.

Vonleh and T-Rob are both athletic specimens, but that's about where the comparison ends (T-Rob seems more athletic). It took T-Rob three seasons to figure out college basketball. Vonleh came right in and performed. Athletes like these two should come in and be successful in college ball based on their athleticism alone. T-Rob is a one-trick pony to this point; Vonleh has a solid all-around game, at least as far as I saw in college. If T-Rob didn't come up with a monster put-back dunk or flying fastbreak block, we'd have no clue who he is. Vonleh can shoot the ball, he can bang, he can rebound, AND he's an athlete. I'm not saying Vonleh is destined to be a star, I just don't see the comparisons.

 

[RoyToy]

Vonleh's 2014 SL stats

9/10 on 28% from 2 and 12% from 3

D-League stats were below mediocre as well

I just don't see it.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Didn't Vonleh miss training camp due to an injury? So maybe he should be compared to CJ?

Yeah, exactly. Been saying this for a while.... A rookie missing his first training camp essentially renders his rookie season lost.

 

[riverman]

As if Charlotte hasn't had 6 coaches in a few years, more roster turnovers than any team in the league and picked Adam Morrison at number one. Fact is Vonleh was a rookie there and had experienced bigs way ahead of him in the lineup..they were trying desperately to win now.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I'd drink you under the table, son.

You don't need to rub it in, dad

 

[TBpup]

vonleh had sports hernia operation , missed all of traing camp and the beginning of the season. charlotte thought they might make the playoffs, cody zeller the year befores first round pick and marvin williams was ahead on the depth chart, kid was 19yo when drafted. might these have contributed to his lack of playing time?

Much more like CJ except CJ was a 4-year senior. Try missing training camp when you are an 18 year old rookie and to expect him to come in on fire after being behind from a surgery seem unreasonable. Big men take time (see Meyers Leonard) and don't be down if he's still not very good this year.

 

[RoyToy]

As if Charlotte hasn't had 6 coaches in a few years, more roster turnovers than any team in the league and picked Adam Morrison at number one. Fact is Vonleh was a rookie there and had experienced bigs way ahead of him in the lineup..they were trying desperately to win now.

And there are also reports he didn't see the court because he couldn't learn the plays

 

[riverman]

And there are also reports he didn't see the court because he couldn't learn the plays

You think Charlotte had plays?

 

[HailBlazers]

And there are also reports he didn't see the court because he couldn't learn the plays

...

Try missing training camp when you are an 18 year old rookie and to expect him to come in on fire after being behind from a surgery seem unreasonable. Big men take time (see Meyers Leonard) and don't be down if he's still not very good this year.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

What's interesting is Charlotte never brought Noah in prior to the draft and didn't work him out. They selected him without actually seeing him.

Year later after basically no playing time and reports of he doesn't see the court because he doesn't know the plays and has no feel for the game, and you start to wonder if Charlotte knew they made a mistake. As of right now it looks like they sold high on Vonleh.

If so, that's the first time in MJ's managerial history he got it right. History says the odds are in our favor....

 

[RoyToy]

...

Bball IQ was one of his weaknesses coming to the NBA

 

[lawai'a]

don't forget charlotte's sterling reputation as a mecca for young player developement

 

[HailBlazers]

Bball IQ was one of his weaknesses coming to the NBA

As was Meyers..

 

[Sedatedfork]

Vonleh's 2014 SL stats

9/10 on 28% from 2 and 12% from 3

D-League stats were below mediocre as well

I just don't see it.

Batum was god awful in SL. Let's see how he does this season before writing him off as a scrub.

 

[RoyToy]

As was Meyers..

Well that's inspiring....

 

[Schilly]

I've mentioned this before, we as fans are crippled by our lack of knowledge of other players outside of stars on other teams.

 

[RoyToy]

Batum was god awful in SL. Let's see how he does this season before writing him off as a scrub.

Not writing him off as a scrub at all. Of course he'll get better.

I just think it's very unlikely he reaches his max potential/ceiling as a Bosh/Aldridge level PF that some people have thrown around over the web. I'm not even sure why those comparisons come out at this point. Hopefully there's a big jump in his game.

 

[HailBlazers]

Well that's inspiring....

It is for me, considering how so many people thought Meyers was garbage and would never get it.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Vonleh's 2014 SL stats

9/10 on 28% from 2 and 12% from 3

D-League stats were below mediocre as well

I just don't see it.

Stats for young players tell us nothing. The reason being is almost all young players get better after their first year or two, especially if their minutes are inconsistent.

Last year we were arguing over CJ's shooting stats for the first 10 games of the season......."shockingly" those stats were worthless when it came to predicting how good of a shooter he could eventually be. Vonleh is not yet 20. You may be right about him or you could be completely wrong. But I don't get why we keep making these blanket statements about young players when we have not seen them play consistent minutes.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Wait, what? Did RoyToy, the poster who actually got off on his/her hatred of Batum, actually just say that Charlotte sold high on Vonleh? After Batum's worst pro season? When we did receive Henderson in return? Which is it, dude?

 

[Tunchi]

Im sorry im not buying it.. Theres a catch with Vonleh. Besides CHA has a terrible draft history most likely they got Vonleh wrong and we're left with their left overs

 

[oldmangrouch]

"...we have not seen them play consistent minutes."

And that is a big part of the differing viewpoints. Some see this as an excuse, and some see it as a red flag. Is it better for a rookie to play hard and struggle, or to sit on the bench and watch?

 

[riverman]

Im sorry im not buying it.. Theres a catch with Vonleh. Besides CHA has a terrible draft history most likely they got Vonleh wrong and we're left with their left overs

Olshey worked Vonleh out before he was drafted and liked him alot. They didn't just randomly get him on a whim. He's probably 2 years away from making the leap where the game slows down. It's a process and in my mind, a great investment without spending a fortune

 

[Pinwheel1]

Im sorry im not buying it.. Theres a catch with Vonleh. Besides CHA has a terrible draft history most likely they got Vonleh wrong and we're left with their left overs

Charlotte really has little to do with this. I am pretty sure I read that we scouted him and brought him in for workouts. Maybe it is as simple as Neil targeting him this summer going out and getting him.

 

[RoyToy]

My entire point is not that's he's going to bust and be out of the NBA in 4 years

I just don't see how he'll ever reach the level of an all-star PF. The Bosh and Aldridge comparisons are insane to me.

 

[HailBlazers]

Fair enough.

 

[Pinwheel1]

"...we have not seen them play consistent minutes."

And that is a big part of the differing viewpoints. Some see this as an excuse, and some see it as a red flag. Is it better for a rookie to play hard and struggle, or to sit on the bench and watch?

Play hard and struggle and hope fans are smart enough to understand that it is a process and while they are getting inconsistent minutes they will not get into a groove. All these guys are used to being stars and getting the most shots/minutes on their team. It takes time to adjust to inconsistent minutes. (Among other things like better talent)