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PCmor7 said:
With due respect, this is why statistics are liars. Allen doesn't create shots for himself. The only reason he'd be a better defender is because of the defenders around him.

On top of that, he's a total punk.

And, finally, he looks like Ted Cruz.

I wouldn't have him on my team if he paid me just for the last fact alone.
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I’d take that fucktard, Ted Cruz everyday of the week if he could play defense
 
tiredhunter said:
likely not, but that far out there is the question of will he still be playing. (I'd think yes, but I can see a GM and Dame not being confident.)
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Dame keeps himself in as good of condition as anything. Barring some kind of catastrophic, fluke type of injury, I'd say the odds are good. That's all you really can ask. If he's up for doing things that way, I have no problem with it. If the team thinks trading him is the better course, I'd be sad, but I'd understand.

But, you know, we can't worry about everything. There are all types of possibilities and some aren't good and the odds that he wins a championship anywhere are limited. They aren't for anyone. Seventeen players win rings every year. He's a special talent, though, and maybe even a more special person. I wouldn't bet against him, even when things right now look discouraging.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, if Dame is getting traded then Grant needs to be a sign and trade to get what value we can get...

Unfortunately for those in the trade Dame camp... Dame is going to retire a Blazer so Ant goes and Nurk goes and future and maybe current picks go for a player or players that makes this team a contender.
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I bet we end up keeping Nurk. Ant probably has to go in a package though...
 
wizenheimer said:
there seems to be a faith within the trade-Dame narrative that trading Dame is the quickest way to contention. Yes, it's faith-based because it sure isn't supported by history

* Denver traded Melo and hasn't come close to contention since. They did make it to the WCF 3 years ago but none of the talent they had was from the Melo trade

* Utah traded Deron Williams and have never come close to contention since

* Minny traded KG and spent 13 straight years in the lottery; and 16 of the last 18 years. Yep, they have won 3 playoff game in the 18 years after trading KG

* Chicago traded Butler 6 years ago and spent 4 straight years in the lottery until they won 1 game in the playoffs last season. And they are 6 games under .500 right now and 11th seed in the east

* OKC traded Paul George 4 years ago and have spent three years averaging 25 wins and are 5 games under .500 right now and 12th seed

* the Pelicans traded AD 4 years ago, and have spent 3 years averaging 32 wins and are 2 games under .500 right now. And their big payoff this season for trading AD is potentially swapping a 12th pick for a 10th pick

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the track record of trading away franchise players and quickly becoming contenders doesn't really exist

I had a discussion in this forum with a big advocate of "Blazers-have-to trade-Dame-to-contend". I kept asking him what he saw as a realistic timeline between the trade and when the Blazers would contend. He dodged the question several times before he relented and estimated it would take 7 years. I think that was way too optimistic but at least I finally had a practical guess of how long it would take; meaning if Portland traded Dame this summer, they might be contenders by 2030....but might not

Danny Ainge found a dumbfuck Russian owner and perhaps the worst modern NBA GM and fleeced the Nets by trading 37 year old KG and 36 year old Pierce for a pick haul. That trade was in 2013. It tool 9 years before the Celtics made it to the finals. And it's one of those trades that is not a template for anything because of how stupid the Nets were
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here's the thing: about 25 years passed between when Portland had prime Clyde Drexler and prime Damian Lillard. It's a really difficult thing to add a top-10 player. It's even more difficult for a small market team to hold onto that top-10 player. Shaq didn't win a championship in Orlando; KG didn't win one in Minnesota. AD and Chris Paul didn't win one in New Orleans. A player who demonstrates loyalty like Dame has is rare. It should be highly valued by the fan base.

we know what it takes for a small market team to contend: they have to have, at minimum, a top-10 player, a top-20 player, and a talented supporting cast. Blazers have the top-10-ish player now in Dame. So obviously the thinking is Portland needs to trade away the top-10 player they have so they can go out and find a new top-10 player AND a top-20 player AND several quality supporting talents. In other words, they need to find two players as talented as the two it took Portland 25 years to find. Easy-peasy.

and of course, with Ja Morant, the Blazers have an example of how great it is having a player with the quality of character that Dame has. More high value

and the latest rational seems to be that yes, Dame is a top-10 player, but he's the wrong type of top-10 player. He needed to be taller. So then, not only does Portland have to perform the generational feat of landing a new top-10 player, he has to be the right kind of top-10 player.....geeeeeezuz
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Or we can keep our superstar and still not make the playoffs, regardless.

Blazers supposedly hired some drafting guru’s. I’d roll the dice on a rebuild if it’s clear we can’t make any kind of blockbuster trades this offseason.
 
If you believe a word Cronin says, I got oceanfront property in South Dakota for ya.

The guy is so out of his depth it’s not even funny

blockbuster this summer hahaha

he also said we would be a “major player” for free agency LMAO
 
Id trade up to have a shot at Scoot. We need a guy with his energy and abilities.
If you haven't yet watch a clip or two of him. wow
He'a a cross of Ja and Ant Edwards.
Prob go #2
 
Hoopguru said:
Id trade up to have a shot at Scoot. We need a guy with his energy and abilities.
If you haven't yet watch a clip or two of him. wow
He'a a cross of Ja and Ant Edwards.
Prob go #2
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So realistically, what gets us from 13ish to 2
 
Mediocre Man said:
So realistically, what gets us from 13ish to 2
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You'd have to hope the team selecting two would be interested in Ant plus some, it may even take Sharp and some.
Snook is a freak of nature with the high energy and skill. He has that it factor and you can tell he wants to dominate the game.
If Wemby wasn't suppose to be a lock at one Snook possibly would be?
 
Hoopguru said:
You'd have to hope the team selecting two would be interested in Ant plus some, it may even take Sharp and some.
Snook is a freak of nature with the high energy and skill. He has that it factor and you can tell he wants to dominate the game.
If Wemby wasn't supposed to be a lock at one Snook possibly would be?
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They would also have to be extremely interested in a player that is available when the Blazers pick, otherwise if Snook is that good, they would probably prefer him over Ant.
 
MickZagger said:
Honestly, Lillard should be available if the price is right. My faith in Cronin being able to pull off a blockbuster that makes us a contender is basically nil.

Our best bet at building a championship core might be through the draft organically.
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So you have nil Faith in Cronin building a contender, but trust him to build a contender organically through the draft?
 
The thing that needs to go is fans hope of building a contender short term or long term. This franchise doesn't have that capability as currently structured or managed.

Just accept the franchise is not at that level. Enjoy Dame scoring and young players like Sharpe as well as who we draft.
 
Hoopguru said:
You'd have to hope the team selecting two would be interested in Ant plus some, it may even take Sharp and some.
Snook is a freak of nature with the high energy and skill. He has that it factor and you can tell he wants to dominate the game.
If Wemby wasn't suppose to be a lock at one Snook possibly would be?
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If he’s that good, they’d be foolish to pass on him. If you think Sharpe is that guy, then just keep him
 
WesleyMatthews said:
So you have nil Faith in Cronin building a contender, but trust him to build a contender organically through the draft?
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I’d like to see him go. But I’m curious if all this hoopla around the staff he built that is supposed to be draft guru’s is merited.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
The thing that needs to go is fans hope of building a contender short term or long term. This franchise doesn't have that capability as currently structured or managed.

Just accept the franchise is not at that level. Enjoy Dame scoring and young players like Sharpe as well as who we draft.
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This x 10e6.
To be a Blazers fan is to commit to a spiritual path: just enjoy each game and forget about outcomes. Love the players and forget the finals.
 
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We really need to shut Dame at this point. The Play in or worse 8th seed is something we should avoid. We need to just commit to the tank at this point. Its long past over. I don’t see Dame passing Luka in PPG unless Luka starts playing injured or something. Since he can’t realistically win the scoring title there is nothing to play for and tanking is by far our best move and that includes in a building around Dame scenario.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
The thing that needs to go is fans hope of building a contender short term or long term. This franchise doesn't have that capability as currently structured or managed.

Just accept the franchise is not at that level. Enjoy Dame scoring and young players like Sharpe as well as who we draft.
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Umm no? If that is how you want to feel go ahead and do that but none of the rest of us are under any obligation to go along with that sort of loser mentality.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If he’s that good, they’d be foolish to pass on him. If you think Sharpe is that guy, then just keep him
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Not sure he's that guy just yet. He is still raw and somewhat timid especially with handle. Scoot is not at all timid and has a great handle and feel, but he's also got the drive, heart & relentless approach.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
They would also have to be extremely interested in a player that is available when the Blazers pick, otherwise if Snook is that good, they would probably prefer him over Ant.
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Its a pipe dream for me....
 
Hoopguru said:
Not sure he's that guy just yet. He is still raw and somewhat timid especially with handle. Scoot is not at all timid and has a great handle and feel, but he's also got the drive, heart & relentless approach.
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That was my point. Why would a team trade the opportunity to draft him
 
Mediocre Man said:
That was my point. Why would a team trade the opportunity to draft him
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Good point. So, say Detroit selects at and they have Ivey, Hayes & Cunningham all pg's. Say they like Simons a shooting guard, which they are week at and have interest in another player & a Pick?
Long shot for sure.....im just a fanatic that every once in a while come up a young player I really like. He's a mix of Ant Edwards, Ja & Westbrook. lol
 
WesleyMatthews said:
So you have nil Faith in Cronin building a contender, but trust him to build a contender organically through the draft?
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I don't have faith in him being able to build a contender given where we are now without tearing down... to the point where I am confident he will not succeed in doing so. That's because I look at the guys we have and the contracts we have and... I don't think ANYONE could do it.

I don't see evidence that he could build a contender through the draft, but I think it's possible, so it's a better path than the direction he claims to be going down.
 
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