Sounds like Webster is gonna start.... and some thoughts

[Paxil]

Yeah... Miller is jacking up shots and only making 57% of them. I hope he continues to jack up shots like that all year. =) Batum looked good in the intrasquad game and has sucked since.

 

[STOMP]

I completely disagree with that statement. In fact, Webster's rebounding alone is so much better than Batum. And as for the perimeter defense between Blake and Miller is almost laughable in comparison. Give this pie some time to cook. Remember that this is only Miller's 4th game as a Blazer. Let's make our assessment a little further on in the season.

thats not a fact, thats an opinion that statistics disagree with. None of Martell's seasons have equaled what Nic did last year on the boards in either Rbs per minute or using the advanced stats. Sorry.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/batumni01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/webstma02.html

if you actually read the facts/stats, you'll see that Nic has outdone MW in most everything.

STOMP

 

[magnifier661]

He usually plays alongside Troy Murphy, who is mroe perimiter oriented. He could play alongside them, just like they COULD play alongside eachother. But, not too many teams have big bruisers at backup PF AND C. So when they have a smallish PF in the game against us, which one of those guys is covering him? Foster? That'll suck.

Well that's why they are called "role players". I'm not just advocating "Foster" as the only option. I used him as an example. Fact is, Outlaw isn't a rebounder and his post defense is novice at best. Regardless, we need someone that plays with his back to the basket, not from the three point line. We already have our outside shooting PF in Aldridge. No need for overlap.

Usually the bench comes in for specific purposes. If we need stops, then you bring in your defensive "role player" to help get them. And sparing 10 minutes a game, by sacrificing outside shooting by a PF to have a better rebounding and shot blocking unit on the floor would be a more versatile option.

 

[magnifier661]

thats not a fact, thats an opinion that statistics disagree with. None of Martell's seasons have equaled what Nic did last year on the boards in either Rbs per minute or using the advanced stats. Sorry.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/batumni01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/webstma02.html

STOMP

I am using what we've seen in pre-season. Not using Webster's stats from 2 years ago.

 

[magnifier661]

Yeah... Miller is jacking up shots and only making 57% of them. I hope he continues to jack up shots like that all year. =) Batum looked good in the intrasquad game and has sucked since.

Yeah doesn't make too much sense does it? I mean it seems many fans were happy with teams taking the ball out of Roy's hands during the playoffs and forcing Blake to be the playmaker. That totally exposed us last season. Let's try and be a little more surprising to other teams. Punish them for focusing on Roy.

 

[Shooter]

Outlaw needs to be traded ASAP. I mean listening to teh game last night... you could picture exactly what he was doing when the suns made their run. Turnover, bad shot, turnover, clank... and deer in headlights look. We really are better off with howard at backup PF. I just cant take outlaw anymore.

I've felt this way for about 5 years. Outlaw is all "promise," and very little "delivery." He hurts you as much as he helps you, and his game is still woefully raw. We're a dumb team when he's on the floor, and I hate it.

 

[MIXUM]

webster is a more COMPLETE small forward where as batum is limited.

i said this in sept... if you want batum to start then blake has to start so they can stretch defenses..... if you want miller to start then its gotta be webster. no other way around it.

miller and batum on the floor is too easy to defend cause it leaves just roy who can hit a three.

thats the deal. webster starts.

 

[Mediocre Man]

webster is a more COMPLETE small forward where as batum is limited.

i said this in sept... if you want batum to start then blake has to start so they can stretch defenses..... if you want miller to start then its gotta be webster. no other way around it.

miller and batum on the floor is too easy to defend cause it leaves just roy who can hit a three.

thats the deal. webster starts.

What, in your mind, makes Webster so much more complete?

 

[magnifier661]

I've felt this way for about 5 years. Outlaw is all "promise," and very little "delivery." He hurts you as much as he helps you, and his game is still woefully raw. We're a dumb team when he's on the floor, and I hate it.

Not like I want to say bad things about Outlaw, but in all honesty, you have a point. Sometimes I've watched painfully as I saw him be "wide-open" and choose to dribble into the defensive to take a tough mid rang contested jumper.

The big picture for me is, when he's scoring you feel like we are doing great until you see the scoreboard. For some reason, I've seen us fall behind with him being the focal point on offense. Just seems weird to me.

 

[RR7]

Well that's why they are called "role players". I'm not just advocating "Foster" as the only option. I used him as an example. Fact is, Outlaw isn't a rebounder and his post defense is novice at best. Regardless, we need someone that plays with his back to the basket, not from the three point line. We already have our outside shooting PF in Aldridge. No need for overlap.

Usually the bench comes in for specific purposes. If we need stops, then you bring in your defensive "role player" to help get them. And sparing 10 minutes a game, by sacrificing outside shooting by a PF to have a better rebounding and shot blocking unit on the floor would be a more versatile option.

Seems like we're just going to go around and around with this. But again, if it's just very limited, situational, why not play Joel and Oden together? If there's no need for overlap, then we already have our banger rebounding, defensive big off the bench in Joel.

I mentioned them not playing well together, and you brought up that we don't sub 5 guys in at once, which didn' tmake much sense to me. But if there is a rotation, and you are looking for a back to the basket big off the bench, it sounds like you are putting that person alongside Joel. Because if Aldridge is in the game, he can play with his back to the basket, and so can Greg. When is it you are envisioning this person playing? Alongside LMA? I think Joel and Greg could do just fine alongside LMA. Alongside Greg? Or alongside Joel? Which pairing are we lacking the defense on? And which pairing, when adding this player, is a good pair, which could effectively cover opponents when they might go a little smaller off their bench, as a lot of teams tend to do.

 

[STOMP]

I am using what we've seen in pre-season. Not using Webster's stats from 2 years ago.

why not use Webster's preseason stats from 2 seasons ago when he was last tearing it up... that would make about as much sense.

Besides that, 8 boards in 53:08 minutes of preseason play (mostly against the high paced Suns) is pretty much exactly what Martell's RBing average has been for his career. Going strictly on stats, nothing has changed

STOMP

 

[magnifier661]

Seems like we're just going to go around and around with this. But again, if it's just very limited, situational, why not play Joel and Oden together? If there's no need for overlap, then we already have our banger rebounding, defensive big off the bench in Joel.

I mentioned them not playing well together, and you brought up that we don't sub 5 guys in at once, which didn' tmake much sense to me. But if there is a rotation, and you are looking for a back to the basket big off the bench, it sounds like you are putting that person alongside Joel. Because if Aldridge is in the game, he can play with his back to the basket, and so can Greg. When is it you are envisioning this person playing? Alongside LMA? I think Joel and Greg could do just fine alongside LMA. Alongside Greg? Or alongside Joel? Which pairing are we lacking the defense on? And which pairing, when adding this player, is a good pair, which could effectively cover opponents when they might go a little smaller off their bench, as a lot of teams tend to do.

We are just debating. I'm not trying to say you're wrong. Just giving you my point. Also, for a perimeter Center, we have that as well. Aldridge is a very capable 5 if we need perimeter scoring.

 

[magnifier661]

why not use Webster's preseason stats from 2 seasons ago when he was last tearing it up... that would make about as much sense.

Besides that, 8 boards in 53:08 minutes of preseason play (mostly against the high paced Suns) is pretty much exactly what Martell's RBing average has been for his career. Going strictly on stats, nothing has changed

STOMP

Really? I seem to remember him rebounding well on the other teams as well. Am I way off on this?

 

[STOMP]

webster is a more COMPLETE small forward where as batum is limited.

i said this in sept... if you want batum to start then blake has to start so they can stretch defenses..... if you want miller to start then its gotta be webster. no other way around it.

miller and batum on the floor is too easy to defend cause it leaves just roy who can hit a three.

thats the deal. webster starts.

why don't you believe in facts?

Career 3pnt%
Batum 37%
Webster 37%

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

Really? I seem to remember him rebounding well on the other teams as well. Am I way off on this?

I linked his career stats... see for yourself

STOMP

 

[MIXUM]

listen you can throw out all the stats you want... but stats are what they are. im sure steve blake had some nice stats last year better then even guys like jason kidd. doesnt mean anything. when you watch a player play the game... you know wether or not if he can play. webster can. batum... looks like much work is still needed.

watch the 2 play ... webster is a better player with just as much upside.

 

[magnifier661]

why don't you believe in facts?

Career 3pnt%
Batum 37%
Webster 37%

STOMP

Look at how many shots were taken Stomp. Webster has made more threes than Batum ever attempted. Big difference.

 

[magnifier661]

listen you can throw out all the stats you want...

watch the 2 play ... webster is a better player with just as much upside.

I agree. From what I've seen so far, Webster is looking hungry and willing to bang down low for rebounds. Something he wasn't wanting to do 2 years ago. That is a great sign.

 

[STOMP]

listen you can throw out all the stats you want...

watch the 2 play ... webster is a better player with just as much upside.

I'd love to have watched, but the games aren't being broadcast silly... hows your view from Connecticut?

anyhoo, thats just your opinion that the stats clearly disagree with. I'll side with the stats, the coach, most of the board, and my own eyes thanks.

STOMP

 

[MIXUM]

stomp... webster is gonna start lol.

so you might wanna get your "stats" and rethink that.

and from "listening to the games"... webster has been our 2nd best player. batum has done nothing but SOUND lost just like the people that support him. LOST

 

[STOMP]

Look at how many shots were taken Stomp. Webster has made more threes than Batum ever attempted. Big difference.

not really... at the end of the day, a make is a make and a miss is a miss and these two are even at their rates of success. Because of a lack of of quality players when his career began, Martell got a ton of opportunities by default. Times have changed.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

stomp... webster is gonna start lol.

so you might wanna get your "stats" and rethink that.

and from "listening to the games"... webster has been our 2nd best player. batum has done nothing but SOUND lost just like the people that support him. LOST

I'm looking forward to the meltdown post when you're wrong yet again... fun times

STOMP

 

[MIXUM]

Heres another question for ya...

Down by 2 with 3 seconds left.... who would you rather take the 3...

Batum or Webster?

 

[magnifier661]

not really... at the end of the day, a make is a make and a miss is a miss and these two are even at their rates of success. Because of a lack of of quality players when his career began, Martell got a ton of opportunities by default. Times have changed.

STOMP

That is so back asswards. Are you kidding me? So let's play a free-throw battle. I get to shoot 5 shots and you have to shoot 40. If I make all 5 and you miss 5, you will concede I am a much better free-throw shooter than you.

 

[STOMP]

Heres another question for ya...

Down by 2 with 3 seconds left.... who would you rather take the 3...

Batum or Webster?

did Roy and Outlaw foul out? Remind me of the last clutch shot Marty made... I'll wait

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

Heres another question for ya...

Down by 2 with 3 seconds left.... who would you rather take the 3...

Batum or Webster?

Neither.

 

[MIXUM]

mags.. most of the posters on this board wanna hear the following.....


1. HCP's daily "praise the blazers thread"

2. Batum is the next Prince, has so much potential, should start....and is better then webster.

3. Oden is a future hall of famer

4. Miller has ruined the team

5. Sergio has potential

6. Outlaw is the new whipping boy (this one i kinda agree)

7. Roy could kill kittens and would never be badmouthed.

8. Aldridge will develop a post up game.... someday.

9. Bayless is a future star but needs time.

10. Its Nates fault when we lose.

Should you disagree... you will be a troll or called out. Thats basically what it is.

 

[magnifier661]

mags.. most of the posters on this board wanna hear the following.....


1. HCP's daily "praise the blazers thread"

2. Batum is the next Prince, has so much potential, should start....and is better then webster.

3. Oden is a future hall of famer

4. Miller has ruined the team

5. Sergio has potential

6. Outlaw is the new whipping boy (this one i kinda agree)

7. Roy could kill kittens and would never be badmouthed.

8. Aldridge will develop a post up game.... someday.

9. Bayless is a future star but needs time.

10. Its Nates fault when we lose.

Should you disagree... you will be a troll or called out. Thats basically what it is.

Wow, are you serious? I agree with 6 and 8. The others I have yet to see anything that would make me believe it. And anyone that thinks Sergio is great is a serious Sergio Homer. The only thing that kid will lead his team is turn overs, airballs and lack of finishing around the rim.

 

[MIXUM]

nice job jumping around the question stomp.

they both have the same stats you said? correct? then have some guts and pick batum.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That is so back asswards. Are you kidding me? So let's play a free-throw battle. I get to shoot 5 shots and you have to shoot 40. If I make all 5 and you miss 5, you will concede I am a much better free-throw shooter than you.

Well since you're ratio is all bass ackwards (seriously you think Martell took 8 threes for every one Nic took on a per game or per season basis?) and generating foul shots is a skill unto itself completely separate from the ability to shoot a jump shot from the perimeter, I'd say your analogy doesn't hold much water.

the point is that at 19 years old Nic played a mere 18 minutes per game and about half of his shots were three point attempts of which he made 37%, the worst you can say about Nic is that his sample size of three point shots isn't large enough to make a confident predicition about future success ... Martell's 3 healthy seasons have a plenty large sample and showed me that he's a pretty inaccurate "sharp shooter." Maybe that will change this year, but if I were a betting man I'd feel more confident in continuted success/improvement from Nic than I would a reversal of pretty mediocre shooting statistics from Martell.