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BigGameDamian said:
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yup got the same thing, they said it was for another fire -- the kenneth fire which looks to be on the west side of the valley kinda by agora hills a bit.

Also watched the runyon fire start up last night while i was grocery shopping just saw people staring and then i realized what i was actually seeing, they got that one out though i think.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Burying all power lines should be default. All lines in general should be buried.

120k miles of power lines in the US multiplied by an average of $3 million per mile would be roughly $300 billion.

As you're doing it you can upgrade the rest of the infrastructure as well, and run Fiber optic to every home on the grid and offer utility Internet (infrastructure owned and maintained by the government) which ISPs have to compete to sell service on.

*Edit* You could probably replace all of the lead pipes in the country while you're at it... This would allow you to have conduit for easy access to all utilities.
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I think you've vastly underestimated the miles of power lines in the USA. Google says 500,000 miles of transmission lines and 5 million miles of distribution lines.

barfo
 
Trump said Newsom refused to sign water release document that would have given California millions of gallons of water. There was never any such document.

Musk liked a tweet from professional liar Alex Jones saying Democrats deliberately started fires to de-industrialize the country.

Shows what kind of federal aid we can expect.
 
barfo said:
I think you've vastly underestimated the miles of power lines in the USA. Google says 500,000 miles of transmission lines and 5 million miles of distribution lines.

barfo
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Yeah you're probably right. I googled it as well but came up with a few different numbers. This one seemed to be in the middle of one of the higher estimates that I saw. But again, it was just a quick search during my break.

500,000 mi of transmission lines are probably the more important ones to tackle... And probably the least expensive? Even at a trillion dollars that's still worth it.

I have to think more about the 5 million miles if distribution lines. That definitely seems cost prohibitive.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Yeah you're probably right. I googled it as well but came up with a few different numbers. This one seemed to be in the middle of one of the higher estimates that I saw. But again, it was just a quick search during my break.

500,000 mi of transmission lines are probably the more important ones to tackle... And probably the least expensive? Even at a trillion dollars that's still worth it.

I have to think more about the 5 million miles if distribution lines. That definitely seems cost prohibitive.
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The issue in part is also limited easement in some areas. There are neighborhoods where the existing aerial power is run along the fence line of back to back backyards.
Trust me on this. I used to work for Comcast putting up mainline and I've worked burying underground, including fibre.
Underground is the way to go for all new builds because you can dig wider trenches without the need for shoring.
But once you start trying to dig in limited quarters, shoring is required, which significantly slows things down causing a large increase on labor costs. Navigating the required spacing between utilities can also be a challenge. Water and gas and sewer are already underground everywhere. There are many areas where the easement doesn't provide enough required space to put another utility in the ground. From my experience and knowledge, this would cost many trillions of dollars to convert the whole country to underground and I think most would say as devastating as this is in the Palisades, that money could be better spent on other things.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah you're probably right. I googled it as well but came up with a few different numbers. This one seemed to be in the middle of one of the higher estimates that I saw. But again, it was just a quick search during my break.

500,000 mi of transmission lines are probably the more important ones to tackle... And probably the least expensive? Even at a trillion dollars that's still worth it.

I have to think more about the 5 million miles if distribution lines. That definitely seems cost prohibitive.
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In cities, we could run cables through the sewers. Just swap out one of your toilets for one that includes an electrical panel.

Tried to find a picture of a toilet with a breaker box on the front of the tank but the internet failed me. Maybe it's supposed to be installed in the bathtub instead?

barfo
 
barfo said:
In cities, we could run cables through the sewers. Just swap out one of your toilets for one that includes an electrical panel.

Tried to find a picture of a toilet with a breaker box on the front of the tank but the internet failed me. Maybe it's supposed to be installed in the bathtub instead?

barfo
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All infrastructure that runs through towns (and needs buried/updated) should be buried when the streets are being repaired. which happens every 5 years or so anyway.

All services should be installed in conduit under the street. Then you'd have updated smart and safe (and expandable) infrastructure easily accessable to every home in 5 years (or make it 10).

Then it's a matter of connecting the homes. You could tell home owners they are responsible for having a trench dug to their home by a certain day amd the crew would make the connections to their homes at no cost.

Obviously these are just suggestions, but they are solvable problems that could make a huge impact on quality of life and access to education.

Not to mention it being a huge bump to the economy...
 
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  • Cost per mile
    Underground lines can cost between $297,200 and $4.5 million per mile in urban areas, and between $18,000 and $24,000 per mile for overhead lines
The United States has over 600,000 circuit miles of alternating current (AC) transmission lines, including 240,000 miles of high-voltage lines. In addition, there are millions of miles of distribution lines that carry electricity to homes, businesses, and schools.

5mill x 2mill = 1e13


5 million miles of cable times 2 million per mile, which is less than half the projected high cost( trying to provide an average)

the cost is alot more than a few of you think.
 
But couldn't they prioritize high fire risk areas?
 
crandc said:
But couldn't they prioritize high fire risk areas?
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They certainly should wherever possible. There are some areas that may not be realistically feasible though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the high risk areas are typically not urban, and LA is not typically noted for having hurricane force winds. I don't think the LA basin would have been considered high risk. The hillsides, that wind typically speeds up and shoots through, would be the more high risk type areas, I believe. Burying power lines over the hills would likely require tunnel drilling through them, as trenching would be too difficult.

There is another thing to consider with burying power in LA. Buried lines are much more difficult to isolate specific problems and when they do have problems, it’s much more costly to fix. Combine that with LA’s earthquakes, causing regular breaks in lines, the initial cost and subsequent regular maintenance would be astronomically expensive.
 
Can't we use the Jewish space lasers to beam electricity to everyone?
 
Strenuus said:
So if a hurricane hit NYC 4 years before it was to host an Olympics, would it have to be invoked too?

Thank God I'm not fucking stupid.
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How does a guy like that get an actor job?
 
Good to hear some people's houses survived like Bill Hader and James Woods.

Lots of non celebrities have lost their houses though. Hope the insurance companies don't try to bilk them.
 
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