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MarAzul said:
not sedition, simply facts
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don't accuse me of sedition then or question my patriotism simply because I voice distrust over an elected official I've never trusted or believed in...that's my right ...you have not convinced me with any posts why I should feel differently....
 
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Trump also said to holt that he was thinking about the Russian thing when he decided to fire Comey. And more glaring is that he told the Russians the next day that he had been feeling a lot of pressure about the Russia investigation but then he fired Comey and that pressure is off.

Those two incidents alone are pretty incriminating with regards to purposeful interference in an ongoing investigation. May or may not be illegal but could be sufficient to draw up articles for impeachment if Trump had a little less support amongst republicans.
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Idiotic. If one FBI agent thinks Trump colluded with Martians and is constantly stirring up shit he can be fired right?

This is like if Comey were gay and Trump couldn't fire him just because he was afraid to get sued. Let's say Hillary wins next election and whoever is FBI director then doesn't want to get fired because she hates him. Should that FBI director announce some investigation into her so he is untouchable?

If Comey has some evidence of something he can release it to the world if he wants. Or his supposedly loyal former employees.
 
riverman said:
I don't think it's healthy at all to use the term in a political forum
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Here is another truth for you.
Disrupting the government (legally and Constitutional elected) is the only motive behind the bitching and bogus investigations.
Calls for impeachment without a shred of evidence can't possible be driven by any other motive.
 
Can a Trump hater list the top three pieces of evidence against Trump in short sentences?

Please.
 
riverman said:
I'm sure you believe what you think is true
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I do. I also know, both you and I, took a oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
The domestic part concerns me now.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Can a Trump hater list the top three pieces of evidence against Trump in short sentences?

Please.
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I don't know that I'm a Trump hater, more like a Trump disrespecter, but I'd be happy to answer this question in the future.

The way this works is, we'll investigate Trump for a few years, air out all of his dirty laundry that we can find, investigate his family and business associates, air out their dirty laundry.

In the course of that, we'll no doubt find three pieces of evidence. Maybe more than three. Might be completely unknown at this time. Might be things that haven't even happened yet. Or that happened 30 years ago.

Think Ken Starr and Bill Clinton.

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
He also said that he was thinking the firing would deepen and extend the investigation. That didn't deter him from doing the right thing.

You quote on cherry picked sentence, because the media does. There is the whole truth out there, you won't find it on CNN or in the Times/WaPost.
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No, I cherry pick the stuff he says that's outrageous. He may say a number of different things but when you hear something egregious that contradicts the narrative he was putting out, you pay attention. With Bill Clinton I'm sure you can pick out a couple likes "that woman" "what is is" and that becomes important.

If I told you I like all races, and I told you I think everyone is equal, then you find out I called dviss an "N", you wouldn't disregard it as cherry picking. You would think I were racist.

The Trump whitehouse gave one explication for the Comey firing, told by many people who speak for the administration. Then the Pres in an interview deflTes that entire story, it makes me pay attention. Then we find out that Trump told the Russians in that firing Comey relieved pressure from the investigation, well. Once again that's pretty fucking telling.
 
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No, I cherry pick the stuff he says that's outrageous. He may say a number of different things but when you hear something egregious that contradicts the narrative he was putting out, you pay attention. With Bill Clinton I'm sure you can pick out a couple likes "that woman" "what is is" and that becomes important.

If I told you I like all races, and I told you I think everyone is equal, then you find out I called dviss an "N", you would wouldn't disregard it as cherry picking. You would think I were racist.

The Trump whitehouse gave one explication for the Comey firing, told by many people who speak for the administration. Then the Pres in an interview deflTes that entire story, it makes me pay attention. Then we find out that Trump told the Russians in that firing Comey relieved pressure from the investigation, well. Once again that's pretty fucking telling.
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I read Comey hid in some curtains to avoid Trump. Whatever
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Idiotic. If one FBI agent thinks Trump colluded with Martians and is constantly stirring up shit he can be fired right?

This is like if Comey were gay and Trump couldn't fire him just because he was afraid to get sued. Let's say Hillary wins next election and whoever is FBI director then doesn't want to get fired because she hates him. Should that FBI director announce some investigation into her so he is untouchable?

If Comey has some evidence of something he can release it to the world if he wants. Or his supposedly loyal former employees.
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Bullpucky
Does the president have the right? Yes.

But it goes against a very long standing history and tradition because that separation guards against the slippery road towards dictatorship. For the Pres to fire the FBI head for investigating him about anything including colluding with martians is very damaging the our ability to believe that nobody, including the President, is above the law.
 
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Bullpucky
Does the president have the right? Yes.

But it goes against a very long standing history and tradition because that separation guards against the slippery road towards dictatorship. For the Pres to fire the FBI head for investigating him about anything including colluding with martians is very damaging the our ability to believe that nobody, including the President, is above the law.
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You answered right the first time then added "but I don't like it"

Tough shit, Obama indirectly told illegals they should vote. I saw it and knew he didn't break the law, that was the end of it.

Trump probably shook his hand and knew he would fire him because he has big hands. Guy is 6'8".
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
You answered right the first time then added "but I don't like it"

Tough shit, Obama indirectly told illegals they should vote. I saw it and knew he didn't break the law, that was the end of it.

Trump probably shook his hand and knew he would fire him because he has big hands. Guy is 6'8".
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Impeachment doesn't need to be a convictable crime. High Crimes and Misdemeanors candy include a wide variety of issues that don't amount to a convictable offense.
 
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His boss?
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Trump didn't fire him legally huh? Are you testing some Riesling right now?

Anyone on Earth who can fire anyone else is that person's boss. Barfo brings up the Clinton fiasco, is this going to be the new definition of is?
 
MarAzul said:
Good stuff barf. It is not suppose to work that way.
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Too bad for your boy. I'd feel more sorry for him if he actually had any idea how it was supposed to work, I guess.

barfo
 
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Impeachment doesn't need to be a convictable crime. High Crimes and Misdemeanors candy include a wide variety of issues that don't amount to a convictable offense.
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Jury nullification happens when people clearly break the law and the jury says "fuck it"

What you're saying is that you want people to vote to impeach him because he's an asshole or incompetent. Probably all true.
 
I think he may have also broken the law but no proof there. There does seem to be proof that Flynn and perhaps others broke the law and I'd like to see them prosecuted
 
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I think he may have also broken the law but no proof there. There does seem to be proof that Flynn and perhaps others broke the law and I'd like to see them prosecuted
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Yes. I think one thing the Trump fans in this thread may have forgotten is that the special counsel isn't charged with investigating Trump specifically.

There was actually a lot of carnage in Watergate besides Nixon:

The final toll included:
  • one presidential resignation
  • one vice-presidential resignation – although Agnew’s crimes were unrelated to Watergate
  • 40 government officials indicted or jailed
  • H.R. Haldeman and John Erlichman (White House staff), resigned 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed
  • John Dean (White House legal counsel), sacked 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed
  • John Mitchell, Attorney-General and Chairman of the Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP), jailed
  • Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy (ex-White House staff), planned the Watergate break-in, both jailed
  • Charles Colson, special counsel to the President, jailed
  • James McCord (Security Director of CREEP), jailed

Next few years should be awesome fun for the White House staff!

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yes. I think one thing the Trump fans in this thread may have forgotten is that the special counsel isn't charged with investigating Trump specifically.

There was actually a lot of carnage in Watergate besides Nixon:

The final toll included:
  • one presidential resignation
  • one vice-presidential resignation – although Agnew’s crimes were unrelated to Watergate
  • 40 government officials indicted or jailed
  • H.R. Haldeman and John Erlichman (White House staff), resigned 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed
  • John Dean (White House legal counsel), sacked 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed
  • John Mitchell, Attorney-General and Chairman of the Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP), jailed
  • Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy (ex-White House staff), planned the Watergate break-in, both jailed
  • Charles Colson, special counsel to the President, jailed
  • James McCord (Security Director of CREEP), jailed

Next few years should be awesome fun for the White House staff!

barfo
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And I highly doubt we will see such extensive wrongdoing but our election process was compromised and we need to understand if there was any collusion and to what extent. And now, we also need to make sure that US officials don't obfuscate the law regardless if it stems from the original purpose of the investigation or some ancillary cause.
 
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