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MarAzul said:
What the fuck help could Trump get from the Russians
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to understand this you need to flip it....how can the Russians manipulate Trump or his representatives....don't tell me you've never heard of backdoor politics or deals under the table...Trump opened the door wide open for Putin to use it to his advantage.....I'll go further to say it's not "Russians" as much as the Putin machine that concerns us...from what I hear Putin isn't very popular in the homeland either
 
MarAzul said:
What possible collusion do you smell? What smells like shit?
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Trump is lying Marz.....you've argued against the corner he's in....all that info has been posted ...you either sense it or you don't. Hillary is out to pasture....the dems are on the ropes....the GOP is a mess...time for sensible leadership and don't expect it from Trump...I care about my country enough to give a shit about the loose cannon you guys elected...he's horribly incapable and dangerously veiled.
 
riverman said:
you have bitched as much as anyone about the Obama administration
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Ok, that is fair.
But the fact is Obama fucked a hell of a lot of us and that is worth a bitch. Numbers wise, it may rival the number of new people the law signed on to insurance. Never called for impeachment though. I did ask how the hell a man that was a Kenyan by law, via the right of decent could qualify as a Naturally Born Citizen? No answers, except Ignore the Natural Born requirement.

Lies!

If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance.
If you like your Doctor, you can keep your doctor.
It was the vidieo?

But back to the real question. How the fuck did the Russian get people like me to vote against Hillary? You know I was going to do it! So what the hell is your real bitch? This Russian collusion is
horse shit and makes you look anti American, if not seditious.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I'm actually leaning more and more to the side, that thinks that Trump actually wasn't looped in by Manafort and Flynn and other surrogates if they were allegedly colluding with the Russians to tamper with the election.
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No, that's no what I'm talking about.

There can't be collusion between Trump and his staff. There can be collusion between Trump and Russia or Trump's staff and Russia.

Trump saying there was no collusion between him and his staff is 100% true.
 
MarAzul said:
Ok, that is fair.
But the fact is Obama fucked a hell of a lot of us and that is worth a bitch. Numbers wise, it may rival the number of new people the law signed on to insurance. Never called for impeachment though. I did ask how the hell a man that was a Kenyan by law, via the right of decent could qualify as a Naturally Born Citizen? No answers, except Ignore the Natural Born requirement.

Lies!

If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance.
If you like your Doctor, you can keep your doctor.
It was the vidieo?

But back to the real question. How the fuck did the Russian get people like me to vote against Hillary? You know I was going to do it! So what the hell is your real bitch? This Russian collusion is
horse shit and makes you look anti American, if not seditious.
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Pretty sure you aren't the Russians demographic, dude.
 
Denny Crane said:
BTW, I'll state the obvious that the media won't.

If Trump wanted the Flynn investigation stopped, he could have simply pardoned him.

Carry on.
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Actually that could make things much more difficult for him. Giving him a pardon now would be similar to him having the immunity he wanted. But that means he could no longer take the 5th and would have to testify when subpoenaed. If he were to lie under oath or even give incomplete answers he would face new charges that the pardon didn't cover.

Sure, Trump could give him a 2nd pardon but then that would pretty much mean we're in full on coverup.
 
MarAzul said:
No fucking wonder Civil wars begin
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they start because you draw too many lines in the sand....Hatfields McCoys, Orange and the Green....isn't it time to see all that divisionism as foolish...my complaints about current state of affairs are an American complaint...you don't get to define me or judge my intuitions or conclusions...or even pick my team...I'm a free agent when it comes to politics but hey....you'll have no lack for dems who'll play ping pong with you
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Actually that could make things much more difficult for him. Giving him a pardon now would be similar to him having the immunity he wanted. But that means he could no longer take the 5th and would have to testify when subpoenaed. If he were to lie under oath or even give incomplete answers he would face new charges that the pardon didn't cover.

Sure, Trump could give him a 2nd pardon but then that would pretty much mean we're in full on coverup.
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Pardon isn't immunity. And he doesn't need immunity because he can't be guilty of anything related to the pardon. He doesn't have to comply, and he wouldn't.
 
Denny Crane said:
Pardon isn't immunity. And he doesn't need immunity because he can't be guilty of anything related to the pardon. He doesn't have to comply, and he wouldn't.
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Even if he has a pardon he would have to answer any subpoena. If during that testimony he were to lie or refuse to answer there would be charges.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Even if he has a pardon he would have to answer any subpoena. If during that testimony he were to lie or refuse to answer there would be charges.
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No he doesn't have to answer a subpoena about anything he's been pardoned for.
 
Denny Crane said:
No he doesn't have to answer a subpoena about anything he's been pardoned for.
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I don't believe that is true. You and I could both kill @barfo but because you're such a big Trump supporter Trump could issue you a pardon. Even with a pardon you would still be forced to testify against me. If you lied or refused to testify you would face criminal chargers.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I don't believe that is true. You and I could both kill @barfo but because you're such a big Trump supporter Trump could issue you a pardon. Even with a pardon you would still be forced to testify against me. If you lied or refused to testify you would face criminal chargers.
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He's pardoned for any contempt of court related to not testifying. So why would he?

He's not pardoned of any state offenses, nor is he pardoned for future offenses.

Murder is almost exclusively a state criminal law violation. The president can't pardon anyone for those crimes.
 
Denny Crane said:
He's pardoned for any contempt of court related to not testifying. So why would he?

He's not pardoned of any state offenses, nor is he pardoned for future offenses.

Murder is almost exclusively a state criminal law violation. The president can't pardon anyone for those crimes.
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Okay, we kill @barfo in a national park...

The pardon is for past crimes. You're trying to claim it also covers future crimes. It doesn't. Just because a future crime is related to a past crime doesn't mean that it's covered.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Okay, we kill @barfo in a national park...

The pardon is for past crimes. You're trying to claim it also covers future crimes. It doesn't. Just because a future crime is related to a past crime doesn't mean that it's covered.
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It's not a future crime.
 
The pardon is in essence an admission of guilt or likely guilt. Compelling testimony that proves this guilt after the pardon makes no sense at all.

They do have immunity that can be bartered for compelled testimony, but there's no point to it if the pardon is already granted.

I would think that after a pardon if the person further commits some crimes loosely related to the one pardoned for - like destruction of evidence not in his possession, or bribing/threatening a witness, he's fair game for prosecution.
 
Denny Crane said:
The pardon is in essence an admission of guilt or likely guilt. Compelling testimony that proves this guilt after the pardon makes no sense at all.

They do have immunity that can be bartered for compelled testimony, but there's no point to it if the pardon is already granted.

I would think that after a pardon if the person further commits some crimes loosely related to the one pardoned for - like destruction of evidence not in his possession, or bribing/threatening a witness, he's fair game for prosecution.
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Do you want to kill @barfo or not?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You'd go to war to keep Trump in office?
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Yes. I think things are totally out of control with people running their mouth overtime with out regard to Constitutional procedure.
And I believe the same people would behave the same regardless of which of the 17 republicans running got elected. If we can not agree to follow the Constitution then there will be no alternative.at some point. The absence of and answer pretty much indicates the roar will continue.

I asked the board here what they will do when Mueller come up with nothing and states it, nothing there.

I gather more of the same. I find that extremely dangerous. Well hell I think we are already there.
 
MarAzul said:
Man! I hope not. It would be much better if we just follow the Constitution, respect the process and avoid the alternative.
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Fine, he can be in your foxhole for Civil War II.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Fine, he can be in your foxhole for Civil War II.
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Your probably not going to find me in a foxhole.
But in any case, I implied I don't want it to get to that point. I never said I would not do what the situation required if and when it gets that far.
 
MarAzul said:
Man, that is a plain silly post. If you don't think men will judge you by what you say, I have no idea where your head thinks you are.
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No...it's called a no insult rule...talk about a subject all you want ...disagree with a post all you want...just don't insult my character Marz....put it in perspective...you have a truly partisan civil war slant to your posts...I'm not that guy...you are honestly talking about civil war over an unpopular presidency? Buckle up!
 
MarAzul said:
Man, that is a plain silly post. If you don't think men will judge you by what you say, I have no idea where your head thinks you are.
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I'm a patriot and you question that all the time....for what I'd consider contentious reasons..you see, it's not necessary ...I'm complaining about Trump in a thread about him....you're complaining about me....see the difference?
 
riverman said:
Buckle up!
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Just taking my input from the illogical activity I see every day. The election was held and now we speak impeachment with no fucking evidence for Treason!
That pisses me off. Can't run a nation that way. (No matter how nice a guy you fellas are most of the time.)
 
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