Starting Oden is a joke

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Has it occurred to anyone else that this whole idea of "starting" Oden is a farce? The only sense in which he's a "starting center" in the NBA is that McMillan chooses to put him out there at the jump ball. Other than that, he's barely a second-string center. Tonight, when the game was on the line in the fourth quarter, Oden was sitting on the bench and LaMarcus-freaking-Aldridge was playing center!!

I say we send Oden to D-League to help him get his game and his confidence back. Przybilla and Aldridge can man the center spot until Oden learns how to get a rebound or score a basket. I'm tired of this crap.

That is all.
 
Shooter said:
Has it occurred to anyone else that this whole idea of "starting" Oden is a farce? The only sense in which he's a "starting center" in the NBA is that McMillan chooses to put him out there at the jump ball. Other than that, he's barely a second-string center. Tonight, when the game was on the line in the fourth quarter, Oden was sitting on the bench and LaMarcus-freaking-Aldridge was playing center!!

I say we send Oden to D-League to help him get his game and his confidence back. Przybilla and Aldridge can man the center spot until Oden learns how to get a rebound or score a basket. I'm tired of this crap.

That is all.
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Boy, that will REALLY help his confidence.
 
I think we just feed him the ball. Its not like he can't play offensively, he's just not getting plays run for him.
 
I actually think he's being used pretty well. I would prefer that he played more minutes, but Joel is a great backup and on the nights where Oden is in foul trouble or otherwise doesn't have it going, I think it makes a ton of sense to have Joel out there.

Oden in the D League would be a monumental mistake as well as a waste of a good rotation player for a team that's battling for HCA.

Ed O.
 
Oden got 6 touches tonight! That's both inexcusable and routine these days.

Nate has no idea how to dictate the tempo of a game. He's reactive coach rather than a proactive coach.
 
sounds like your one of those people that because we lost we have lost the rest of the season and for that matter the rest of the nba career just because he didnt play perfect or scored a fucking double double does not mean we send him to the god damn d league you are a moron if you think thats whats gonna help oden
 
Ed O said:
Oden in the D League would be a monumental mistake as well as a waste of a good rotation player for a team that's battling for HCA.
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If it humbles and embarrasses him, I'm all for it. SOMETHING has to light a fire under this guy.
 
Btw, as my contribution to this thread....

I do think Oden should be starting (Along with Bayless) right now, regardless of the numerous mistakes he has made and will make. This year is pretty insignificant in the long run, and I'd rather face some growing pains on the road right now in order to improve our chances in the future. Develop Oden and Bayless by having them make mistakes. You'll look back in a couple of years and realize it was the best decision you ever made. (That and getting rid of ZBO.)
 
cdub503 said:
sounds like your one of those people that because we lost we have lost the rest of the season and for that matter the rest of the nba career just because he didnt play perfect or scored a fucking double double does not mean we send him to the god damn d league you are a moron if you think thats whats gonna help oden
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And you're obviously one of those guys who writes long, run-on sentences with no punctuation . . .

But apart from that, no, I don't think the season is lost--but Oden certainly is. He doesn't seem to have a bleeping clue about much of anything. Even if he's not touching the ball, he should be a monster on the boards. But instead, he's lucky if he can snag 4 or 5 rebounds on most nights. I'm just tired of making excuses for the guy, and his act is getting old.
 
B-Roy said:
Btw, as my contribution to this thread....

I do think Oden should be starting (Along with Bayless) right now, regardless of the numerous mistakes he has made and will make. This year is pretty insignificant in the long run, and I'd rather face some growing pains on the road right now in order to improve our chances in the future. Develop Oden and Bayless by having them make mistakes. You'll look back in a couple of years and realize it was the best decision you ever made. (That and getting rid of ZBO.)
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I hear ya.
 
Shooter said:
And you're obviously one of those guys who writes long, run-on sentences with no punctuation . . .

But apart from that, no, I don't think the season is lost--but Oden certainly is. He doesn't seem to have a bleeping clue about much of anything. Even if he's not touching the ball, he should be a monster on the boards. But instead, he's lucky if he can snag 4 or 5 rebounds on most nights. I'm just tired of making excuses for the guy, and his act is getting old.
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You were pretty quiet about this last week when he was having a great five games. The difference between now and then? The guards didn't miss him when he was literally wide open under the basket waving for the ball while his man left him to double someone else.
 
D league? Wow. Maybe Nate should run some plays through the kid. That, so far, is what gets Oden motivated, right or wrong. So do it. More times than not, something good happens when we go to him. Seems pretty simple. But I don't get paid to do anything basketball related, so what the fuck....
 
starting oden but not actually giving him the ball in the post is a joke.
 
rocketeer said:
starting oden but not actually giving him the ball in the post is a joke.
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That doesn't explain his terrible rebounding and defense. He should get up and get his own touches off the glass.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
The guards didn't miss him when he was literally wide open under the basket waving for the ball while his man left him to double someone else.
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So he didn't get the ball on offense tonight. Big deal. Why can't he still be a rebounding machine? At 7 ft., and with those long arms and that tremendous strength of his, he should be getting 10 rebounds a night without even trying.
 
In the short term I can see the frustration with Greg, but long term I think managing his minutes the way that Nate does is appropriate. We can bitch all we want about the guards not getting Greg the ball and there are some legitimate gripes with that, but lately I've noticed that Greg's defensive recognition (or commitment?) has been kind of brutal; he's not picking up his man, and he doesn't commit fully to jumping out on the guard and quickly recovering to the paint on pick and rolls, which is also part of the reason he then get's called for ticky tack fouls.

I guess it boils down to, is leaving Oden out there to keep repeating mistakes appropriate, or is there a teachable moment to sit him down when he does the same (bad) thing over and over? I'm not sure I have the answer, and I doubt the coaching staff does either; it's a helluva fine line.
 
Shooter said:
So he didn't get the ball on offense tonight. Big deal. Why can't he still be a rebounding machine? At 7 ft., and with those long arms and that tremendous strength of his, he should be getting 10 rebounds a night without even trying.
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Amen. We don't NEED scoring from him. We need rebounding and defense. That is what was advertised.
 
We should send him to the D-League. When he puts up 35/15 games left and right, we bring him back up. Along with the PG who threw the effing ball to him more than 5 times per game. And start them both.

That's the only way the D-League will be a cure.

Anyone else concerned that Oden shot about as much as Sergio tonight?
 
We should convince Oden to retire, he's clearly not cut out for the NBA.
 
Ed O said:
I actually think he's being used pretty well. I would prefer that he played more minutes, but Joel is a great backup and on the nights where Oden is in foul trouble or otherwise doesn't have it going, I think it makes a ton of sense to have Joel out there.

Oden in the D League would be a monumental mistake as well as a waste of a good rotation player for a team that's battling for HCA.

Ed O.
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Yea, but he was getting it going in the second half. He had 6 points before he was taken out, never to be seen again until it was time to get the offensive rebound for Rudy's intentional miss, before Rudy missed the second....:drumroll: Ok so much for that plan.

Anyhow, that being said, it makes me want to kick Nate in the gnards.
 
Shooter said:
So he didn't get the ball on offense tonight. Big deal. Why can't he still be a rebounding machine? At 7 ft., and with those long arms and that tremendous strength of his, he should be getting 10 rebounds a night without even trying.
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First of all Dallas was scorching hot on offense in the first half ... pretty hard to be a rebounding machine when there are precious few defensive rebounds to grab ... hell he still had a respectable 4 in 21 minutes which isn't "terrible"
 
Ed O said:
I actually think he's being used pretty well. I would prefer that he played more minutes, but Joel is a great backup and on the nights where Oden is in foul trouble or otherwise doesn't have it going, I think it makes a ton of sense to have Joel out there.

Oden in the D League would be a monumental mistake as well as a waste of a good rotation player for a team that's battling for HCA.

Ed O.
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Yep. My view as well in this point of his development, and my view has been consistent.
 
The D league is a terrible idea for GO. He still gives you some minutes on nights where he isn't a factor. Who is going to back Joel up if Greg's gone? Besides, Joel is so much more effective when he's rested. He just wears down when he has to play a ton of minutes.

It's frustrating to watch Greg stuggle, but he does have his moments. He just doesn't seem to play well against good teams yet or teams with quality bigs. Good thing for us we our next 5 games are against OKL City twice, the Knicks, Warriors, and Grizzlies. Look for a resurgance from Oden.
 
Kaydow said:
The D league is a terrible idea for GO. He still gives you some minutes on nights where he isn't a factor. Who is going to back Joel up if Greg's gone?.
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Frye. He can be far more effective than Greg Oden was tonight. Remember how he played when he started the end of the season?
 
Shooter said:
And you're obviously one of those guys who writes long, run-on sentences with no punctuation . . .

But apart from that, no, I don't think the season is lost--but Oden certainly is. He doesn't seem to have a bleeping clue about much of anything. Even if he's not touching the ball, he should be a monster on the boards. But instead, he's lucky if he can snag 4 or 5 rebounds on most nights. I'm just tired of making excuses for the guy, and his act is getting old.
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Oden is 10th in the league in rebound rate, sure it would be nice if he was #1(that's currently Joel btw), but to say he's lucky to grab 4-5 going way to far.
 
Kaydow said:
The D league is a terrible idea for GO. He still gives you some minutes on nights where he isn't a factor. Who is going to back Joel up if Greg's gone? Besides, Joel is so much more effective when he's rested. He just wears down when he has to play a ton of minutes.

It's frustrating to watch Greg stuggle, but he does have his moments. He just doesn't seem to play well against good teams yet or teams with quality bigs.
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Dampier is a quality big?

To be fair, he did play well against Okafor.
 
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