Starting Oden is a joke

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Tonight:

G. Oden C 21:00 3-6 0-0 0-0 -14 1 4 1 1 0 0 0 2 6
J. Przybilla C 21:53 0-2 0-0 0-0 +2 2 6 0 2 1 3 1 3 0

We should send them both to the D-League. Lousy, good-for-nothings. START IKE!!!
 
You're kidding right? We don't need scoring from him? Nah, we don't. What team needs easy INSIDE buckets that open up the court for a team pretty much made of jump shooters outside of Oden and when LaMarcus posts up? Brandon, Rudy, Travis, Sergio, Jerryd, Steve, and even Nicolas can't benefit at all from their man sagging off of them to double Greg. That's just silly! We should continue this trend of ignoring him when he is literally wide open (rewatch the start of the New Orleans game. Greg's man sagged off of him to shadow LaMarcus and Greg was literally wide open - I mean WIDE OPEN waving for the ball right UNDER the basket and he was looked at and then we swung the ball around on the perimeter for a jump shot instead) in the post because the opposing team knows our guards apparently can't see a 7'0 280 pound guy jumping and waving for the ball.

There is literally very few things that can go wrong with getting Greg touches on the offense.

1. If it helps him get in rhythm - that's a plus.
2. If it keeps the defense honest - that's a plus.
3. If it actually gets one of our jump shooters a wide open shot - that's a plus.
4. If it gets Greg's foul shots - that's a plus.
5. If it keeps Greg's man on him so they don't double team the penetrator (because that's what they're doing now because it's rare it gets dumped off to him though Jerryd did a good job tonight in the third) - that's a plus.
6. If it helps develops Greg's offensive game at a faster pace than is currently happening? - that's a plus.

As for rebounds? Strength and long arms sometimes fail you when you have two-men boxing you out and hanging on you because the other team has a coach that recognizes that other players on the Blazers team rarely help Greg on the defensive glass. Greg has one of the best rebounding rates in the league for a reason - it'd be higher if he got a little help from his teammates sometimes to keep the other team honest in box-outs.
 
Miksaid said:
Tonight:

G. Oden C 21:00 3-6 0-0 0-0 -14 1 4 1 1 0 0 0 2 6
J. Przybilla C 21:53 0-2 0-0 0-0 +2 2 6 0 2 1 3 1 3 0

We should send them both to the D-League. Lousy, good-for-nothings. START IKE!!!
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I noticed the -14 and the +2 almost immediately.
 
Jayps15 said:
Oden is 10th in the league in rebound rate, sure it would be nice if he was #1(that's currently Joel btw), but to say he's lucky to grab 4-5 going way to far.
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Really? On nights like tonight, the only rebounds he gets are the ones that come directly to him. Most of the time he gets boxed out or doesn't jump quickly enough to get the difficult rebounds.
 
Shooter said:
I stand by everything I said in that thread. I still believe Oden will be a good player, and maybe even a great one, but right now he blows big time.
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You said, "We're behind you all the way, Big Fella."

And a few weeks later, "But apart from that, no, I don't think the season is lost--but Oden certainly is. He doesn't seem to have a bleeping clue about much of anything... I'm just tired of making excuses for the guy, and his act is getting old."


Yeah, way to stand behind him all the way... big fella.
 
KingSpeed said:
That doesn't explain his terrible rebounding and defense. He should get up and get his own touches off the glass.
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well oden is top 10 in the league in rebound rate, so i'm not sure criticizing his rebounding is the way to go.

i also think that oden(and big men in general especially young ones) plays better defense and rebounds better when the team actually gets him involved in the offense.
 
Jayps15 said:
Oden is 10th in the league in rebound rate, sure it would be nice if he was #1(that's currently Joel btw), but to say he's lucky to grab 4-5 going way to far.
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Rebounding rate means nothing. What did he do tonight? 4 rebounds? Embarrassing.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
As for rebounds? Strength and long arms sometimes fail you when you have two-men boxing you out and hanging on you because the other team has a coach that recognizes that other players on the Blazers team rarely help Greg on the defensive glass.
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That's part of the game. Oden has to figure out how to get rebounds despite the defensive schemes used against him. He's stronger than most centers in the NBA, and he has in incredible wingspan. It's about time he figured out how to use those traits to his advantage.
 
rocketeer said:
well oden is top 10 in the league in rebound rate, so i'm not sure criticizing his rebounding is the way to go.

i also think that oden(and big men in general especially young ones) plays better defense and rebounds better when the team actually gets him involved in the offense.
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Yeah. Giving him the ball gives him confidence and he usually plays better and with more energy.
 
rocketeer said:
well oden is top 10 in the league in rebound rate, so i'm not sure criticizing his rebounding is the way to go.

i also think that oden(and big men in general especially young ones) plays better defense and rebounds better when the team actually gets him involved in the offense.
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We shouldn't have to get him involved. He should get himself involved. I remember about 6 years ago when Zach Randolph was emerging. He could get 20 & 10 without having a single play run for him. He just get all the garbage. All the put backs. Scored on hustle alone. And grabbed every rebound he could get his hands on. That's what I expected from Greg Oden. I don't need the 20 points but I want him to be able to produce without plays run for him. Grab a fucking rebound. Block a fucking shot. That "rebound rate" is so meaningless. If you watch the games, you see him missing rebounds he should get.
 
noknobs said:
You said, "We're behind you all the way, Big Fella."

And a few weeks later, "But apart from that, no, I don't think the season is lost--but Oden certainly is. He doesn't seem to have a bleeping clue about much of anything... I'm just tired of making excuses for the guy, and his act is getting old."


Yeah, way to stand behind him all the way... big fella.
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I'm still behind Oden. I wouldn't be suggesting ways to motivate him if I weren't. I want to do whatever it takes to get his butt in gear, and that may mean a demotion to the D-League. "Standing behind" a player doesn't mean you ignore the obvious problems with his game, or pretend that everything is fine when it isn't.
 
Shooter said:
That's part of the game. Oden has to figure out how to get rebounds despite the defensive schemes used against him. He's stronger than most centers in the NBA, and he has in incredible wingspan. It's about time he figured out how to use those traits to his advantage.
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So coaching is a problem. The man needs to be coached.
 
SSDD

This thread is indicative of the ups and downs of this board. I still maintain that Nate isn't using Oden correctly. I've been saying it all season. I'll keep saying it until Nate finally understands how to utilize a dominant center.
 
KingSpeed said:
We shouldn't have to get him involved. He should get himself involved. I remember about 6 years ago when Zach Randolph was emerging. He could get 20 & 10 without having a single play run for him. He just get all the garbage. All the put backs. Scored on hustle alone. And grabbed every rebound he could get his hands on. That's what I expected from Greg Oden. I don't need the 20 points but I want him to be able to produce without plays run for him. Grab a fucking rebound. Block a fucking shot. That "rebound rate" is so meaningless. If you watch the games, you see him missing rebounds he should get.
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Bingo! Great post, Eric. Oden can make things happen by hustling and scrapping and playing his heart out, but he's not doing that. I would like to see him get the ball more, but I think he WOULD if he was running harder, boxing out, and playing with some fire. It's very disappointing to me that he plays so lackadaisically on many nights.
 
KingSpeed said:
We shouldn't have to get him involved. He should get himself involved. I remember about 6 years ago when Zach Randolph was emerging. He could get 20 & 10 without having a single play run for him. He just get all the garbage. All the put backs. Scored on hustle alone. And grabbed every rebound he could get his hands on. That's what I expected from Greg Oden. I don't need the 20 points but I want him to be able to produce without plays run for him. Grab a fucking rebound. Block a fucking shot. That "rebound rate" is so meaningless. If you watch the games, you see him missing rebounds he should get.
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rebound rate isn't meaningless at all. it gives you an estimate of the percentage of rebounds he gets when he's on the floor.

bottomline is that oden is one of the best in the league at getting rebounds.

and oden does get himself involved. he's 3rd in the league in offensive rebound %.

i mean, i didn't see the game tonight, so i don't know specifically what happened with oden tonight, but in general for the season he's been very good in the rebounding aspect of the game. and he plays better when the team gets him some touches.

that's no excuse for some of the silly fouls he gets at times that take him out of games or for him getting lost on a pick and roll or any of that. but it is what he is right now. seems like it wouldn't be too hard to run a few plays for him in the first few minutes of every game and see if they can't get him going.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Oh for fuck's sake!
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Yeah, that was pretty hilarious. We should replace Greg with Channing who doesn't rebound and shoots jumpers. At least when he was playing he was getting more touches on offense than Greg. That's a pretty sad indicator of how misused Greg is on the offensive end.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
Yeah, that was pretty hilarious. We should replace Greg with Channing who doesn't rebound and shoots jumpers. At least when he was playing he was getting more touches on offense than Greg. That's a pretty sad indicator of how misused Greg is on the offensive end.
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Because it's easier to free up somebody for a jumper than it is to get someone in low post position. The Blazers need too look at how the Suns get Shaq posted up and start running some plays for Greg.
 
Oden isn't going to d-league or even going to be benched. He is progressing (at a slower rate than I hoped and we still have to deal with the rookie wall) . . . but at this point progressing is all that really matters.

I get shooter's frustration . . . it's the same thing as the begining of the season in that I wonder if he is really into the game (compared to the sometimes quicker version of Oden). I wonder if he had one of his big games if Ptd could have pulled this out.

But I think the path to be a true "contender" lies in the hands of Oden. He is a physical speciman, and if he ever figures this game out, that big dominate center will take this team over the top . . . so like I said, as long as he is progressing . . .
 
What's sad is Oden has way more offensive talent than Joel yet Joel gets more pick and roll pts, or just simply a pass when someone who is driving is double teamed. Greg doesn't get those same passes.

Greg is absolutely fine. People need to stop changing their mind evey week. It's really annoying.
 
Shooter said:
Bingo! Great post, Eric. Oden can make things happen by hustling and scrapping and playing his heart out, but he's not doing that. I would like to see him get the ball more, but I think he WOULD if he was running harder, boxing out, and playing with some fire. It's very disappointing to me that he plays so lackadaisically on many nights.
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I said it a short time ago when he was playing well, I said it months ago - He's a rookie coming back from microfracture surgery and he's going to be inconsistent ALL YEAR. I knew a good five game stretch would make every giddy again and then after a few unproductive games we do this all over again.

I wonder what next week will bring.
 
DaRizzle said:
bipolar much? I thought this thread was a joke when I clicked it. Some of you are sooo far out there...
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I guess we should be applauding Oden for the way he played tonight. What were we thinking?
 
B-Roy said:
Because it's easier to free up somebody for a jumper than it is to get someone in low post position. The Blazers need too look at how the Suns get Shaq posted up and start running some plays for Greg.
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Oh, I know. My statement was more on how we settle for jumpers so much instead of trying to get it to the guy working for position. The times when Greg isn't working for position always seems to be when the play-call is an obvious clear one side for Brandon to ISO and Greg moves over on the baseline and gets ready to try to run in for an offensive rebound.

It's just so frustrating to see that we have this big man that defenses fear enough that they will double team him when he actually gets the ball, but then watch as the other team realizes we aren't going to get it to him and they double off of him to shadow LaMarcus. That play at the start of the New Orleans game frustrated me so much because they just knew Greg was going to be looked over even when he was jumping up and down and waving his arms at Brandon and we just passed it around the perimeter for a jump shot instead.
 
noknobs said:
I said a short time ago when he was playing well, I said it months ago - He's a rookie coming back from microfracture surgery and he's going to be inconsistent ALL YEAR. I knew a good five game stretch would make every giddy again and then after a few unproductive games we do this all over again.

I wonder what next week will bring.
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This apparently makes too much sense to some people. It just can't be true.
 
Shooter said:
And you're obviously one of those guys who writes long, run-on sentences with no punctuation . . .

But apart from that, no, I don't think the season is lost--but Oden certainly is. He doesn't seem to have a bleeping clue about much of anything. Even if he's not touching the ball, he should be a monster on the boards. But instead, he's lucky if he can snag 4 or 5 rebounds on most nights. I'm just tired of making excuses for the guy, and his act is getting old.
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grant highschool taught me well

It seems like you think it's the end of the world, just because he didn't get a bunch of boards or scored more than 10 points or whatever his average is, doesn't mean that he needs to go to D-league or trade him. Shit if we did that every time someone did that we would have a shitty team or no team at all.

did i miss something there shooter? this is the internet not a college term paper
 
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