Starting Oden is a joke

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RoyToy said:
This apparently makes too much sense to some people. It just can't be true.
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Explain to me how it works. When Oden has a couple of good games in a row, is he then supposed to mope around the court and fail to get rebounds the next game? Does he suddenly forget how to hustle on the boards because he's just a rookie? Do the effects of his injury appear one game, and then go away the next?

The up-and-down performance is not due to the injury, as far as I can tell. It is due to a lack of effort and concentration. Maybe it's an attitude problem, but I certainly don't see the injury playing a very big role any more. He's been healthy now for a long string of games, and he should be more consistent. When everybody else on the court is outhustling him, there is something wrong.
 
I have to say, this is like the good old days on BB Forums when a thread would explode in minutes. This thread has grown more quickly than anything I've seen since I joined here. Thanks, everybody! This is fun.
 
To the people saying us not getting Oden involved isn't a problem I offer up this, there is no center in the NBA with a PER higher than Greg Oden who has a lower Assist'd % on his FGs. There also isn't a center in the NBA with a higher TS% with a lower Assist'd %. And the only center with a higher PER who draws more fouls than Oden is Dwight Howard.

The real joke is having such an efficient offensive weapon in our lineup and having him be 11th on the roster in FGA per minute.
 
Jayps15 said:
To the people saying us not getting Oden involved isn't a problem I offer up this, there is no center in the NBA with a PER higher than Greg Oden who has a lower Assist'd % on his FGs. There also isn't a center in the NBA with a higher TS% with a lower Assist'd %. And the only center with a higher PER who draws more fouls than Oden is Dwight Howard.

The real joke is having such an efficient offensive weapon in our lineup and having him be 11th on the roster in FGA per minute.
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This is logic and fact - and thus will be promptly ignored by a few posters in this thread.
 
Jayps15 said:
To the people saying us not getting Oden involved isn't a problem I offer up this, there is no center in the NBA with a PER higher than Greg Oden who has a lower Assist'd % on his FGs. There also isn't a center in the NBA with a higher TS% with a lower Assist'd %. And the only center with a higher PER who draws more fouls than Oden is Dwight Howard.

The real joke is having such an efficient offensive weapon in our lineup and having him be 11th on the roster in FGA per minute.
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Repped. Exactly. People obviously aren't paying attention. For five games we saw Oden when the team gets him involved.... and in the last two games we've seen Oden when the team doesn't get him involved. It's clear as day.
 
and in the last two games we've seen Oden when the team doesn't get him involved. It's clear as day.
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And yet a few days ago there was an entire thread arguing over whether we even needed Blake anymore, because Sergio is so much better at getting him the ball and Bayless is so much better at keeping him out of foul trouble with perimeter defense.
 
noknobs said:
And yet a few days ago there was an entire thread arguing over whether we even needed Blake anymore, because Sergio is so much better at getting him the ball and Bayless is so much better at keeping him out of foul trouble with perimeter defense.
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... It was worse with Blake. Blake is terrible at getting Oden the ball in the post.
 
Natebishop3 said:
... It was worse with Blake. Blake is terrible at getting Oden the ball in the post.
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Blake did really well at the start of I believe the Phoenix game in Portland (Brandon's 52 nighter obviously) when we did the pick and roll with Greg to start the game three times in a row I believe.

That was the most aggressive I've seen the play calls with Greg and the best Blake has looked with him. Predictably it hasn't been used much sense and Blake can't really seem to get him the ball besides that one play.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
Blake did really well at the start of I believe the Phoenix game in Portland (Brandon's 52 nighter obviously) when we did the pick and roll with Greg to start the game three times in a row I believe.

That was the most aggressive I've seen the play calls with Greg and the best Blake has looked with him. Predictably it hasn't been used much sense and Blake can't really seem to get him the ball besides that one play.
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Yeah, and he did well in Chicago as well, but it's too hit-or-miss.
 
None of the guards at all are consistent at it which leads me to believe it is a Nate issue. Or they just all suck at this ability in which case we have a big issue on our hands.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's sad that LMA is our best interior passer.... :sigh:
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LaMarcus is really an underrated passer in my opinion. He isn't called to post up like Greg does (when Greg gets that call which we know is rare) but when he can sit in the post and survey the game he makes some pretty nifty bounce passes and hand offs. Unfortunately because we have so few backcuts and cuts down the middle called we see so little of LMA and Greg's passing ability in that offensive type of scheme.

But last year LMA had some really nice passes to Martell that led to some huge dunks - it was really very fun to watch.
 
Rookies are inconsistent. Sometimes there's no need to be suspicious of the obvious answer.
 
Shooter said:
He "progressed" backwards tonight.
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One night doesn't mean a lot... the stock market went up pretty consistently for decades without going up every single day. Or every single week. Or even every single month.

Oden did not have a good game tonight, but I don't think that it is very significant. The flashes of brilliance he's displayed are much more indicative than the games tonight where he only gets six shots.

Finally: I didn't see Oden mope tonight. Or fail to hustle. Blaming his poor game on some sort of faulty mental approach is wrongheaded, IMO.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
One night doesn't mean a lot... the stock market went up pretty consistently for decades without going up every single day. Or every single week. Or even every single month.

Oden did not have a good game tonight, but I don't think that it is very significant. The flashes of brilliance he's displayed are much more indicative than the games tonight where he only gets six shots.

Finally: I didn't see Oden mope tonight. Or fail to hustle. Blaming his poor game on some sort of faulty mental approach is wrongheaded, IMO.

Ed O.
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Well put Ed.
 
This thread is a joke. Oden is a rookie, spent one year in college (partially injured), took a year off because of knee issues; yet he leads this 30-18 team (2nd youngest in the league) in double-doubles, has been invited to the All-Star weekend and has been showing signs of growth since the start of the year.

What more can you ask for? He's not going to be Dwight Howard or Shaq overnight, back off the guy, he's only 21.
 
Jayps15 said:
To the people saying us not getting Oden involved isn't a problem I offer up this, there is no center in the NBA with a PER higher than Greg Oden who has a lower Assist'd % on his FGs. There also isn't a center in the NBA with a higher TS% with a lower Assist'd %. And the only center with a higher PER who draws more fouls than Oden is Dwight Howard.

The real joke is having such an efficient offensive weapon in our lineup and having him be 11th on the roster in FGA per minute.
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i think this is the best post ive ever seen on this board. repped
 
free_lafrentz said:
This thread is a joke. Oden is a rookie, spent one year in college (partially injured), took a year off because of knee issues; yet he leads this 30-18 team (2nd youngest in the league) in double-doubles, has been invited to the All-Star weekend and has been showing signs of growth since the start of the year.
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How has he shown growth?

When he came back from his foot injury, he got 3 double doubles in his first 5 games including a 22/10 game. He also had 14 blocks over those 5 games.

In his last 5 games, he has only 1 double double and only 5 blocks.

He's lost confidence and given up on shotblocking. And he is still having games where he doesn't rebound. 4 rebounds for a starting center is horrible, especially one of his height and strength. People said he'd get better as the season went on. But he really hasn't.
 
KingSpeed said:
How has he shown growth?

When he came back from his foot injury, he got 3 double doubles in his first 5 games including a 22/10 game. He also had 14 blocks over those 5 games.

In his last 5 games, he has only 1 double double and only 5 blocks.

He's lost confidence and given up on shotblocking. And he is still having games where he doesn't rebound. 4 rebounds for a starting center is horrible, especially one of his height and strength. People say he'd get better as the season went on. But he really hasn't.
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Eric do you remember what Joel was like in his first few seasons in the NBA? The guy couldn't stay on the court. He fouled out CONSTANTLY. It gets in your head. They want to play, so they become tentative. He just needs to adjust to the NBA, and NBA refs. It will happen. Give it time.
 
How can you compare Oden to Joel? Joel is not a "once in his generation #1 pick franchise center." When we picked Oden, that is what we thought we were getting. KP said with either Durant or Oden, we would be getting an immediate impact player. Oden has NOT been an immediate impact player. I personally believe we'd have the exact same record this season without him.

Why compare Oden to Joel? Oden is supposed to be compared to Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, & DRob, all of whom stayed on the court enough to dominate it during their rookie years.

If all we're getting is another Joel, then we should've drafted Durant. We already have a Joel.
 
KingSpeed said:
How has he shown growth?

When he came back from his foot injury, he got 3 double doubles in his first 5 games including a 22/10 game. He also had 14 blocks over those 5 games.

In his last 5 games, he has only 1 double double and only 5 blocks.

He's lost confidence and given up on shotblocking. And he is still having games where he doesn't rebound. 4 rebounds for a starting center is horrible, especially one of his height and strength. People said he'd get better as the season went on. But he really hasn't.
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Watching him, you can't see a progression in his game? It seems obvious to me. He's much less prone to being stripped, he handles passes better, he attacks the hoop more quickly and assertively, he looks "lost" much more rarely.

His seasonal numbers are fine. He has a strong rebound rate, his scoring efficiency is good. His only real problem is fouls (which is a significant problem, but almost certainly something that will improve with time...almost all big men suffer through foul problems as rookies). His fouls hold his minutes down, which holds his raw statistics down. But his per-minutes efficiency has been very good for a rookie center, so I'm not in the least bit concerned. If he was unproductive when he was on the court, that would be concerning. (And I mean on average, not cherry-picked games.)
 
You're right about him not being stripped as much. But all these "rebound rate" and "per 48" crap means absolutely nothing to me. I watched the game today and he got pushed around, couldn't grab basic rebounds, and allowed anyone to score in the paint if they wanted to. He has absolutely given up on defense. Have you not seen that? Like I said... 14 blocks in his first 5 games back. 5 blocks in the last 5 games.
 
KingSpeed said:
He is often unproductive while he is on the court. Today for example.
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Yes, that's why I specifically said on average, not on cherry-picked games. It's fine to be emotional and frustrated about the bad games, but it doesn't lend itself to very accurate analysis.
 
KingSpeed said:
How can you compare Oden to Joel? Joel is not a "once in his generation #1 pick franchise center." When we picked Oden, that is what we thought we were getting. KP said with either Durant or Oden, we would be getting an immediate impact player. Oden has NOT been an immediate impact player. I personally believe we'd have the exact same record this season without him.

Why compare Oden to Joel? Oden is supposed to be compared to Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, & DRob, all of whom stayed on the court enough to dominate it during their rookie years.

If all we're getting is another Joel, then we should've drafted Durant. We already have a Joel.
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None of those players, including Joel, had season ending knee surgery their first season in the league.

KP also said "immediate impact player" before Oden was injured. You play hoops Eric, I'm curious to see how well you'd get up and down the floor if you got MF surgery.
 
Natebishop3 said:
None of those players, including Joel, had season ending knee surgery their first season in the league.

KP also said "immediate impact player" before Oden was injured. You play hoops Eric, I'm curious to see how well you'd get up and down the floor if you got MF surgery.
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So that's it? It's the surgery? We gave him a whole year to recover. The whole "Worth the Wait" campaign. He did pilates. Did rehab. Played a preseason. Played November, December, and January. And still only grabs 4 rebounds against the Mavs? Zach Randolph played better than that this after his MF surgery.
 
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