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Rastapopoulos said:
Lillard will almost certainly win the ROY, and if he did not I would be outraged. He has been the starting PG of a team that competed pretty well for the better part of the season, played heavy minutes and showed clutchness that no normal rookie should have.

THAT SAID: he is not Jesus Christ Almighty. He dribbles too much. His defense is poor. His PG skills are just average. He has been badly exposed by good-but-non-All Star PGs like Mike Conley. If he has been in the top ten in PER for PGs this season then it's news to me. (Not that I think PER is all that, but if you're not a great defender, you better have a good PER going for you.)

Perhaps the best thing about him, and that may drive him to be greater than he currently is, is his attitude. He doesn't get too high or too low and he genuinely seems to have a drive to improve. But let's not assume that he automatically will. ROYs from Damon Stoudamire to Tyreke Evans have looked a lot worse after a promising rookie season.
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He does not "dribble too much". Damon Stoudamire dribbled too much. His defense definitely needs work, but I don't think for a second that his point guard skills are just average. I think he'd be averaging a full assist more per game if we had more shooters on this team.

The kid needs work. Every rookie needs work. If he didn't need work, there would be something seriously wrong. Michael Jordan continued to improve his game until the day he retired.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He does not "dribble too much". Damon Stoudamire dribbled too much. His defense definitely needs work, but I don't think for a second that his point guard skills are just average. I think he'd be averaging a full assist more per game if we had more shooters on this team.

The kid needs work. Every rookie needs work. If he didn't need work, there would be something seriously wrong. Michael Jordan continued to improve his game until the day he retired.
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repp'd. I have been saying this all year. I cant believe how many WIDE OPEN shots he get his teammates that they miss. EASILY one more assist a game.

And I know he was way up near the top or at the top the leaders for pick and roll efficiency in college but Im not sure about the pros. I would be curious to see those stats.
 
For those PERheads:

PGs ranked by PER:

3 Chris Paul
8 Russell Westbrook
9 Tony Parker
13 Kyrie Irving
[19 Anthony Davis]
20 Stephen Curry
23 John Wall
[26 Lamarcus Aldridge]
33 Deron Williams
46 Jose Calderon
48 Kemba Walker (!)
54 Mike Conley
55 Eric Bledsoe
59 Rajon Rondo
63 Ramon Sessions
64 Kyle Lowry
65 Nate Robinson
68 Isaiah Thomas
73 Ty Lawson
80 Jrue Holiday
81 Goran Dragic
95 Jeff Teague
96 Greivis Vasquez
98 George Hill
99 Damian Lillard

Just sayin'.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well shit, if he's dribbling as much as Chris Paul he must be a bum.
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What if he's dribbling as much as Greivis Vazquez?

Let's apply your logic elsewhere:
"We can't draft that guy! He plays center and he's barely six foot!"
"Well, if he's the same height as Chris Paul, he must be a bum!"
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What if he's dribbling as much as Greivis Vazquez?

Let's apply your logic elsewhere:
"We can't draft that guy! He plays center and he's barely six foot!"
"Well, if he's the same height as Chris Paul, he must be a bum!"
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Do those two really come across as the same to you?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
For those PERheads:

PGs ranked by PER:

3 Chris Paul
8 Russell Westbrook
9 Tony Parker
13 Kyrie Irving
[19 Anthony Davis]
20 Stephen Curry
23 John Wall
[26 Lamarcus Aldridge]
33 Deron Williams
46 Jose Calderon
48 Kemba Walker (!)
54 Mike Conley
55 Eric Bledsoe
59 Rajon Rondo
63 Ramon Sessions
64 Kyle Lowry
65 Nate Robinson
68 Isaiah Thomas
73 Ty Lawson
80 Jrue Holiday
81 Goran Dragic
95 Jeff Teague
96 Greivis Vasquez
98 George Hill
99 Damian Lillard

Just sayin'.
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Huh?

http://bkref.com/tiny/O1ODn 31 on this list.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Lillard will almost certainly win the ROY, and if he did not I would be outraged. He has been the starting PG of a team that competed pretty well for the better part of the season, played heavy minutes and showed clutchness that no normal rookie should have.

THAT SAID: he is not Jesus Christ Almighty. He dribbles too much. His defense is poor. His PG skills are just average. He has been badly exposed by good-but-non-All Star PGs like Mike Conley. If he has been in the top ten in PER for PGs this season then it's news to me. (Not that I think PER is all that, but if you're not a great defender, you better have a good PER going for you.)

Perhaps the best thing about him, and that may drive him to be greater than he currently is, is his attitude. He doesn't get too high or too low and he genuinely seems to have a drive to improve. But let's not assume that he automatically will. ROYs from Damon Stoudamire to Tyreke Evans have looked a lot worse after a promising rookie season.
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you musta been very bored to make this post
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Lillard will almost certainly win the ROY, and if he did not I would be outraged. He has been the starting PG of a team that competed pretty well for the better part of the season, played heavy minutes and showed clutchness that no normal rookie should have.

THAT SAID: he is not Jesus Christ Almighty. He dribbles too much. His defense is poor. His PG skills are just average. He has been badly exposed by good-but-non-All Star PGs like Mike Conley. If he has been in the top ten in PER for PGs this season then it's news to me. (Not that I think PER is all that, but if you're not a great defender, you better have a good PER going for you.)

Perhaps the best thing about him, and that may drive him to be greater than he currently is, is his attitude. He doesn't get too high or too low and he genuinely seems to have a drive to improve. But let's not assume that he automatically will. ROYs from Damon Stoudamire to Tyreke Evans have looked a lot worse after a promising rookie season.
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Who do you think we should have drafted instead?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What if he's dribbling as much as Greivis Vazquez?

Let's apply your logic elsewhere:
"We can't draft that guy! He plays center and he's barely six foot!"
"Well, if he's the same height as Chris Paul, he must be a bum!"
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If he was a euro his balls would be in your mouth constantly
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm certainly happy we took him. The only regret I can see having is if Drummond turns out as good as he could. (For the record: I really didn't want us to draft Drummond.)

How many people believe that in three or four years Lillard will be seen as the best player from this draft class? If he is, then either he truly is a wonder, or this will have been a sucky draft class.
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Im greedy I wanted Lillard and Drummond and for a second it looked like Drummond was going to fall to us at 11. Drafting Drummond over Lillard would have never happened after the Oden debacle, we couldnt have two big men with huge upside bust on us.

I don't know if he will be the best of this draft class, but I figure he has a good shot at it and he also has a good shot at becoming a top 5 player in the league. Bigs take longer to develope and grow into their bodys though so its very possilble Drummond or Davis turns into the better player in the long run, even if Lillard keeps on being awesome. To say that if he is the best of the draft means it was a sucky draft class is a little harsh though, IMO.
 
MickZagger said:
Who do you think we should have drafted instead?
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I believe at the time Rasta was having fun linking to a site that thought Jae Crowder should be a lotto pick....
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What if he's dribbling as much as Greivis Vazquez?

Let's apply your logic elsewhere:
"We can't draft that guy! He plays center and he's barely six foot!"
"Well, if he's the same height as Chris Paul, he must be a bum!"
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You are saying Dame dribbles too much. He dribbles as much as Chris Paul, who is arguably the best point guard in the NBA.

I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to height, or center... because Dame and CP3 play the same position. Dribbling is a skill, something that can be worked on (unlike height).

You list CP3 at the top of PER, which is good, but you list dribbling too much as a negative...
 
what an innacurate topic for a thread. wonder if this guy watches any games
 
He doesn't get a lot of steals which really boost PER. Trade him for Nate robinson
 
Jesus got crossed up on defense, but he could really nail it from outside
 
And his shooting can improve, I say he shoots .450 next year
 
he isnt as efficient shooting the ball as he could be

he doesnt get alot of steals

he plays defense like a rookie

he could draw fouls better

he could get guys easier buckets/dunks/layups

he could be smoother with his pick and roll passes

etc

nothing wrong with saying these things, its the delivery, not the message
 
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