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PapaG said:
Are you going to figure out that players can be traded in the summer and what being under the cap means in that instance, or are you just going to continue to look like a fool?
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OK, what targets do you see then. Yes, I know that players can be traded in the summer.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Under the current economics of the NBA, RLEC's contract is worth its weight in gold. Now its just worth some cap space...nothing more.
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So let's assume it's maybe twenty pages of 8X14 legal paper ... that's roughly 3 or 4 ounces, with gold currently trading at $976 an ounce, meaning his contract is worth about $3000-$4000? Sounds about right to me. :wink:
 
Nikolokolus said:
So let's assume it's maybe twenty pages of 8X14 legal paper ... that's roughly 3 or 4 ounces, with gold currently trading at $976 an ounce, meaning his contract is worth about $3000-$4000? Sounds about right to me. :wink:
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What about RL's weight?

240 lbs x 16 = 3840 x 975 = 3.7mil....meh
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
OK, what targets do you see then. Yes, I know that players can be traded in the summer.
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It's not worth discussing with you at this point since you have been wrong on many levels all day. Besides, I am happy with watching the current roster fight for a playoff spot. Get back to me after you're up to speed after the season.
 
PapaG said:
It's not worth discussing with you at this point since you have been wrong on many levels all day. Besides, I am happy with watching the current roster fight for a playoff spot. Get back to me after you're up to speed after the season.
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yes massa, right away massa.
 
so suddenly the Summer 09 plan is "we'll just see what happens when we get there?"

what a crock of shit. the summer 09 was the justification for the ZBO trade as it was going to be huge....now that its upon us, there's no knockout free agents and the cap space is transparent at best.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
yes massa, right away massa.
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I'd at least expect the leader of the KP hatred tonight to have his facts somewhat in line, but you didn't. Since you are reacting simply on emotion, I just can't take anything you post seriously.
 
What facts am I missing here? I'm not, I'm speculating on this summer. I don't think we're going to make a big splash really. I don't think the atmosphere is ideal for us to wheel and deal, nor do I think we will really do that much other than possibly make a small trade for a role player type of player, such as a defensive stopper or a backup PF.

I think renouncing Outlaw and Blake is foolish.

I really don't see huge improvements in this roster other than players we currently have getting more burn and experience.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
so suddenly the Summer 09 plan is "we'll just see what happens when we get there?"

what a crock of shit. the summer 09 was the justification for the ZBO trade as it was going to be huge....now that its upon us, there's no knockout free agents and the cap space is transparent at best.
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Meh. It's worthless debating you further at this point.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
so suddenly the Summer 09 plan is "we'll just see what happens when we get there?"

what a crock of shit. the summer 09 was the justification for the ZBO trade as it was going to be huge....now that its upon us, there's no knockout free agents and the cap space is transparent at best.
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Ahhhh.

Okay. Now I see why you're so upset. You didn't like the Randolph deal (which I knew), but you're connecting this to that deal due to the claim that we'd have cap space thanks to that deal. So this all goes back to the Randolph deal.

Well, I actually didn't like the Randolph deal, either, and never really believed that the cap space would materialize into much (since it rarely does). I actually thought I might end up wrong due to the confluence of cap space and a bad economy, but I'm back to not being very optimistic about that.

Still, I think Pritchard can get something useful in trade...not using cap space as the only value, but combining cap space with a useful player or two and maybe a draft pick.

Anyway, I actually agree with you in a limited sense on the Randolph deal, but bear in mind that the main benefit of it wasn't Frye or cap space but Rudy Fernandez.
 
Minstrel said:
Ahhhh.

Okay. Now I see why you're so upset. You didn't like the Randolph deal (which I knew), but you're connecting this to that deal due to the claim that we'd have cap space thanks to that deal. So this all goes back to the Randolph deal.

Well, I actually didn't like the Randolph deal, either, and never really believed that the cap space would materialize into much (since it rarely does). I actually thought I might end up wrong due to the confluence of cap space and a bad economy, but I'm back to not being very optimistic about that.

Still, I think Pritchard can get something useful in trade...not using cap space as the only value, but combining cap space with a useful player or two and maybe a draft pick.

Anyway, I actually agree with you in a limited sense on the Randolph deal, but bear in mind that the main benefit of it wasn't Frye or cap space but Rudy Fernandez.
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bingo.
 
Minstrel said:
Ahhhh.

Okay. Now I see why you're so upset. You didn't like the Randolph deal (which I knew), but you're connecting this to that deal due to the claim that we'd have cap space thanks to that deal. So this all goes back to the Randolph deal.

Well, I actually didn't like the Randolph deal, either, and never really believed that the cap space would materialize into much (since it rarely does). I actually thought I might end up wrong due to the confluence of cap space and a bad economy, but I'm back to not being very optimistic about that.

Still, I think Pritchard can get something useful in trade...not using cap space as the only value, but combining cap space with a useful player or two and maybe a draft pick.

Anyway, I actually agree with you in a limited sense on the Randolph deal, but bear in mind that the main benefit of it wasn't Frye or cap space but Rudy Fernandez.
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The main benefit was getting rid of a black hole/locker room cancer. Last I saw the guy coldcocked a player in the face as his crappy team was losing by 40 to the Suns.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
SO:

List of possible Targets:

PG: Ramon Sessions
SG: None
SF: Josh Childress
PF: David Lee
C: None

anything else?
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Paul Milsap, Carlos Boozer, Shawn Marion, Kobe, Iverson, Artest, Odom, Hedo, Ariza, Rasheed, JKidd, Andre Miller, Mike Bibby, CV3, Marvin Williams, Grant Hill (a worse version of PDX Pippen?)

So there are certainly players out there that can help, but I'm not enamored that greatly with any of them. Most of them are former stars who are on the vast decline of their careers. They'll probably want more money than they're currently worth (but are banking on using their name brand to command $$$ for seasons past). Most aren't young and don't fit the "time frame" of the team but some do have a lot of experience and could be a great mentor to our young players.

I still think that Batum and Bayless will develop into starting SF/PG eventually, but that may take a couple years too long. We can definitely find an upgrade somewhere. But it might have to be a trade instead of a FA signing.
 
PapaG said:
The main benefit was getting rid of a black hole/locker room cancer. Last I saw the guy coldcocked a player in the face as his crappy team was losing by 40 to the Suns.
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I don't find it at all coincidental that every team that man plays on has a losing record. Someone once said he was cancerous. Right now I would have to think long and hard about refuting that point.
 
I like Milsap, Ariza and on a lesser level, Bibby and Andre Miller. Charlie V might be a good backup PF for us.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
more the false promises of unlimited cap space as was being promoted by posters at the time.
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So take it out on the posters who posted it. I didn't make that promise, btw, and you know that is the case. I was on you instantly after the Z-Bo meltdown because I knew the guy was a turd.
 
BalancedMan said:
Grant Hill (a worse version of PDX Pippen?)
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Significantly worse, but interesting comp. However, Pippen was brought in as the last piece to a veteran team. Hill would be too out of phase with the team's window, I think. A "Pippen acquisition" would make sense in 5-6 years, hopefully after the team already has a title or two in the bank and is looking for veteran reinforcements.
 
Minstrel said:
Significantly worse, but interesting comp. However, Pippen was brought in as the last piece to a veteran team. Hill would be too out of phase with the team's window, I think. A "Pippen acquisition" would make sense in 5-6 years, hopefully after the team already has a title or two in the bank and is looking for veteran reinforcements.
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I think this summer we'll be looking more at "glue" guys than "impact" guys.

guys like Shane Battier (that type of player, not him specifically). Some upgrades in the basketball IQ department to calm the younger players down a bit. someone like Matt Barnes would be pretty nice...
 
B-Roy said:
For a backup? Really?
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I don't think we'll be making a big FA splash, personally. Now that the dreams of Rjeff or Crash are gone, I'll likely be more in the camp of developing Martell as the starter at the 3 and then fill some of our other needs (handle the point guard position rotation properly and get a backup 4).

I like Milsap's game too and think it'll be good to have him as a backup PF, which we do need. some toughness down low at that position.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
I don't think we'll be making a big FA splash, personally. Now that the dreams of Rjeff or Crash are gone, I'll likely be more in the camp of developing Martell as the starter at the 3 and then fill some of our other needs (handle the point guard position rotation properly and get a backup 4).

I like Milsap's game too and think it'll be good to have him as a backup PF, which we do need. some toughness down low at that position.
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6 Million for a backup to one of our stars = BAD.

I think he'd get better offers anyways. He deserves to start.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
I think this summer we'll be looking more at "glue" guys than "impact" guys.

guys like Shane Battier (that type of player, not him specifically). Some upgrades in the basketball IQ department to calm the younger players down a bit. someone like Matt Barnes would be pretty nice...
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Or Josh Childress!

If his ACL is okay by then.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
I think this summer we'll be looking more at "glue" guys than "impact" guys.

guys like Shane Battier (that type of player, not him specifically). Some upgrades in the basketball IQ department to calm the younger players down a bit. someone like Matt Barnes would be pretty nice...
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Nice to see you've finally come back to Earth. Have a great night. :pimp:
 
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