Summer 2025 trade targets?

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dviss1 said:
Trading ANY assets for Zion "I don't ever fuckin play" Williamson is crazy talk.

He's not a hard worker. He's overweight and always will be. Past performance is the best predictor of future performance.

Calling Ant Trash is wild.
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Problem is there are no other superstars on the market. It’s a huge gamble but IF he were to stay healthy he would instantly make us top 4 in the West. That said I’m guessing he wouldn’t want to be traded here and even if he did guessing there would be several teams who could make better offers.

other option is stay the course and hope and pray that Sharpe, Scoot or this years pick turns into superstar. Sharpe has the tools but does he have it mentally not sure. I will say he’s really turned it up lately. If Ant is traded I think he turns it up even more. Offensively the game is so easy for him and will only get easier as he matures.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Ant is awful. He’s a 7 year vet chucker who has a career PER under the league average. He’s also a shitty defender. Sharpe needs to take a major step or he’ll end up just like him
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Honestly Ant would be perfect 6th man. Guy who can come in carry second unit and green light to take shots. Think of playoff game where your 1st unit is struggling to score he comes in and gets hot and carries the team till 1st unit can get going.

not going to happen here but guessing that will likely be his role on another team
 
PtldPlatypus said:
...that we know of. Nobody knew that Luka was "on the market" until after he was dealt.
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Fair, although Luka never really hit the market, but yes every year there are superstars at least mentioned to being available
 
dviss1 said:
That's a false choice that no one is advocating for. Not a good debate tactic.
We need to get these contracts off the books: Ant, Ayton, and Grant. Then do well in the draft. We're not built to win now.
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Fools Gold
 
Cugel said:
Outline how POR comes up with 3 unprotected FRPs
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At/after the draft we trade our 2025 pick, and can trade a '29 and '31 as well. Or '29 and '30 since we have 2 in '29.
 
RR7 said:
At/after the draft we trade our 2025 pick, and can trade a '29 and '31 as well. Or '29 and '30 since we have 2 in '29.
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But the 2025 is not going to be a great pick. It is essentially protected. PORs own pick is what would make the deal attractive. Hence the need to tank and make that pick stronger. That is just not a strong package for an all star.
 
Cugel said:
But the 2025 is not going to be a great pick. It is essentially protected. PORs own pick is what would make the deal attractive. Hence the need to tank and make that pick stronger. That is just not a strong package for an all star.
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I outlined how we could trade 3 picks, which is what you asked for.
 
Question for the "trade for Zion" camp. If Zion comes in to play PF, who's out in your mind? Avdija or Camara? I'm on the fence with Zion, for all of the prior stated reasons in this thread, but the upside is certainly still there. I'd move Scoot for him, personally. Can you realistically move Avdija or Camara to the bench? Or do you need to move one of those guys in another deal?
 
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Fitz303 said:
Question for the "trade for Zion" camp. If Zion comes in to play PF, who's out in your mind? Avdija or Camara? I'm on the fence with Zion, for all of the prior stated reasons in this thread, but the upside is certainly still there. I'd move Scoot for him, personally. Can you realistically move Avdija or Camara to the bench? Or do you need to move one of those guys in another deal?
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Yes, I could absolutely move either to the bench to start Zion.

My counter-question to you--which of our current presumed core-4 do you believe to be most "benchable" if the Blazers were to trade for a superstar talent?
 
Fitz303 said:
Question for the "trade for Zion" camp. If Zion comes in to play PF, who's out in your mind? Avdija or Camara? I'm on the fence with Zion, for all of the prior stated reasons in this thread, but the upside is certainly still there. I'd move Scoot for him, personally. Can you realistically move Avdija or Camara to the bench? Or do you need to move one of those guys in another deal?
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It's a really good question. I like having both of those guys starting. I suppose Deni makes the most sense to move to the bench? But I'd prefer Scoot on the bench, and roll out sharpe/camara/deni/ zion/clingan
 
Fitz303 said:
Question for the "trade for Zion" camp. If Zion comes in to play PF, who's out in your mind? Avdija or Camara? I'm on the fence with Zion, for all of the prior stated reasons in this thread, but the upside is certainly still there. I'd move Scoot for him, personally. Can you realistically move Avdija or Camara to the bench? Or do you need to move one of those guys in another deal?
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hypothetically, Avdija would be great coming off the bench. He has a salary that matches that too. With Scoot/Sharpe (Simons?) in the back-court and Zion at PF, that's a lot of on-the-ball action that would make Avdija and awkward starter.

but I'd imagine the Blazers would have to give up one of their young rotation guys in a Zion trade
 
How about Sabonis, does Sac want to reboot and does Sabonis fit this team. Guessing if he was available lots of teams would want him.

Ant (or other vet) and Thybule for Sabonis and most likely at least 3 first. Guessing they’d want one of our young guys, sticking point but he’s one of the elite players in the league so you’d have to consider

new lineup
Scoot
Sharpe
Camara/Deni
Sabonis
Ayton/clingan/ rw3
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Yes, I could absolutely move either to the bench to start Zion.

My counter-question to you--which of our current presumed core-4 do you believe to be most "benchable" if the Blazers were to trade for a superstar talent?
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I'm still not sold on Scoot as a core piece at all. I was courtside last night and was even less sold up close. I know he's young, has made significant strides, and seems like a good dude, but I don't see a star at all (hope I'm wrong). Sharpe, I'd keep rolling with him at the 2 no matter what. If its between Camara and Deni, I probably keep Camara. I just don't see Avdija being happy coming off the bench long term. I think he'd have to be moved if you brought Zion in (and he miraculously stayed healthy). I guess he could be a good insurance piece/starter when Zion inevitably goes down with injury if he would be willing to accept that
 
wizenheimer said:
hypothetically, Avdija would be great coming off the bench. He has a salary that matches that too. With Scoot/Sharpe (Simons?) in the back-court and Zion at PF, that's a lot of on-the-ball action that would make Avdija and awkward starter.

but I'd imagine the Blazers would have to give up one of their young rotation guys in a Zion trade
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Yeah i agree with all of that. I just question whether Avdija would accept that role long term
 
Fitz303 said:
Yeah i agree with all of that. I just question whether Avdija would accept that role long term
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my guess is one of those two would likely have to be included in the trade, painful to even say
 
Mediocre Man said:
Find me a potential difference maker we have a chance in hell for then. Adding guys like Aminu and Harkless isn’t going to get it done. Those are wasted years
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How about Sharpe and Scoot need more time to grow and they could be one? Never thought of that? Both are still super young man.

I’ve seen how much you bash things in here, but quite frankly you suggesting Zion is one thing, to suggest Zion for 3 first rounders and a player is crazy to me.

And how big of impact can he be difference maker wise if he is only available half of the games played in 5 years?

It’s a huge roll of the dice that I think isn’t worth taking imo
 
Cugel said:
Outline how POR comes up with 3 unprotected FRPs
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Easily.

All you have to do is convey the pick to Chicago and you unlock multiple years of picks. Cronin has said that he and Chicago have had conversations in the past about working out something so we can unlock our picks.

We also have a 2029 pick we can trade.
 
sheed30 said:
How about Sharpe and Scoot need more time to grow and they could be one? Never thought of that? Both are still super young man.

I’ve seen how much you bash things in here, but quite frankly you suggesting Zion is one thing, to suggest Zion for 3 first rounders and a player is crazy to me.

And how big of impact can he be difference maker wise if he is only available half of the games played in 5 years?

It’s a huge roll of the dice that I think isn’t worth taking imo
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IMHO, neither are Batman. So assuming, safely I believe, that Clingan, Avdija, Toumani, Sharpe and Scoot all turn out to be very good players, what superstar can we go after to take that next necessary step
 
Anyone trading 3 lotto picks for Zion at this point is an idiot as he’s not worth it. He’s proven totally chronically unhealthy. Cost should be one first plus a young potential role player of either Deni or toumani caliber (I’m not a fan of this deal anyway but that’s the value)
 
Mediocre Man said:
Do well in the draft, drafting 10th is a big ask. Certainly not impossible, but it’s hard to find Batman in the late lottery or right out of it. We just had 7, 3, 7 and couldn’t do it
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Good that you understand that Cronin/Jody is the problem.
 
Said this before but if we don't get into the top 4, I want to explore trading our pick for Lauri Markkanen.

Elite shot making, still only 28. Think he's the perfect target.
 
illmatic99 said:
Said this before but if we don't get into the top 4, I want to explore trading our pick for Lauri Markkanen.

Elite shot making, still only 28. Think he's the perfect target.
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Who are you willing to part with? Ainge is going to want the mother lode.
 
Cugel said:
Who are you willing to part with? Ainge is going to want the mother lode.
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Yeah, we can't overpay for Lauri. Ayton and a top-10 lottery pick should be close IMO. Lauri will average 50 million a year over the next 4 years. That is a negative so an ending contract and a top-10 pick in this excellent draft (so I am told) is a fair return. But yeah he will want much more.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, we can't overpay for Lauri. Ayton and a top-10 lottery pick should be close IMO. Lauri will average 50 million a year over the next 4 years. That is a negative so an ending contract and a top-10 pick in this excellent draft (so I am told) is a fair return. But yeah he will want much more.
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they'd have zero interest in Ayton, IMO. Kessler is a much better modern C and he's still on rookie scale. And they have 3 more years of Flipowski on rookie scale, and he can hit the 3 at an elite rate for a C
 
wizenheimer said:
they'd have zero interest in Ayton, IMO. Kessler is a much better modern C and he's still on rookie scale. And they have 3 more years of Flipowski on rookie scale, and he can hit the 3 at an elite rate for a C
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Thus the reason why I mentioned Ayton's ending contract.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, we can't overpay for Lauri. Ayton and a top-10 lottery pick should be close IMO. Lauri will average 50 million a year over the next 4 years. That is a negative so an ending contract and a top-10 pick in this excellent draft (so I am told) is a fair return. But yeah he will want much more.
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Didn't realize Lauris contract is that large.

Even so, on court fit wise, I think he is the archetype
 
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