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Scalma said:
I’m for it, why not?
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Because he's Gerald Henderson. I'm for adding couple vets - but let's get guys who actually have some experience and a body of work that exceed those experiences of our current players. Henderson doesn't have any experience that goes beyond Dame's (or even CJ's), nor does he have terrific fundamentals that he could teach to Dame (or CJ). Unless I'm totally blanking on him being a pivotal player on a Conference Finals team or a league-leader in assists or defense...
Kaman at least had a body of work that he could use to help young bigs, even if he didn't have deep PO experience.
 
Labinot41 said:
Paul Allens reaction after the loss. You can see and feel the pain
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Sure can. He loves the Blazers. Sure the Shecocks won it all, but I guaranty you, he'd rather it been the Blazers.
 
BonesJones said:
They don't do that. I think we have to give up more, and I wanna keep 24 for Hutchison.

Maybe:
LAC Gets: 10th Pick, 26th Pick, 2019 POR 1st,
POR Gets: 12th Pick, Tobias Harris, Robert Covington, Jerryd Bayless
PHI Gets: CJ McCollum

Trade 12, two future 2nds, and Harkless for 9 and Lee
Trade Aminu for something

Draft Mikal Bridges and Chandler Hutchison.

Lillard / Baldwin
Lee / Hutchison
Covington / Bridges
Harris / Collins /
Nurkic / Davis / Leonard
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Well thought out. I'd go for that if Kawhi can't be attained through trade.
 
Scalma said:
Roster:

Dame, Baldwin
CJ, Ellington, Carter
Harkless, Turner, Hutchison
Aminu, Collins, Swanigan
Nurkic, Davis, Papagiannis, Leonard
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You’re right it isn’t a coaching issue, it’s a talent issue. Unfortunately I think the roster above is on par or maybe slightly worse than our current one. We don’t need to switch out role/bench players for other role/bench players. The bench isn’t the problem. We need changes to the core, this most likely means CJ is gone. If we go into next season with the same starters as this year I will be disgusted. We are 1-11 in our last 12 playoff games, it’s time to rip it down to the foundation or take a chance on a blockbuster, treading water isn’t going to work.
 
And Stotts has made some horrible decisions in this series. I’d like to see Baldwin in the game with Dame, put him on Holiday and see if he still drops 30.
 
Paul Allen let the Hawks get dismantled this offseason, I could see him doing the same with the Blazers.
 
Trading CJ and Chief while hopefully attaching Hark/Meyers/or ET in those deals.

Not resigning any of our free agents unless Nurk wants to sign in the 12-14 per range.

Obtaining as much draft capital as possible in those deals

And yes if these moves turn Dame off to the franchise trading him in his prime for hopefully a top 5-7 pick.

That would classify as dismantled to me. Not saying i want this, just clarifying.
 
The Suns call the Blazers after this potential sweep. . .

Suns 1st
Heat 1st
Warren
Bender
Knight

For

Lillard

Who says no?
 
I would do it for the suns pick alone easily. The suns most likely have the number 1 pick(Ayton), they wouldn’t trade him for Dame
 
Can you imagine an Ayton/Zach frontcourt? Lol no one would ever score in the paint again on us. It would be similar to having Robinson/Duncan except both on the same career arc, it would pretty much be the sickest thing that ever happened to this franchise, and if we kept cj too.....shit.
 
Bench -- a PG that can run an offense, push the tempo. Last summer I really wanted Rubio for this role when he was available.

My #1 target for this role:

Tyler Ulis

Mirco-CP3, he has shown flashes. Floundering in PHX.
 
Something realistic:

POR Gets: Courtney Lee (TPE), Damyeon Dotson (TPE)
NYK Gets: Cash, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd, 2021 POR 1st

CLE Gets: Al-Farouq Aminu, Meyers Leonard, 2022 POR 2nd
POR Gets: George Hill

POR Gets: Marvin Williams, Willy Hernangomez, 2019 CHA 2nd Round Pick
CHA Gets: Evan Turner, Caleb Swanigan, 2019 POR 1st Round Pick

Draft Chandler Hutchison
Draft or Sign as Undrafted Free Agent: Robert Franks (2-Way)
Sign Channing Frye
Re-Sign Jusuf Nurkic, Ed Davis, Pat Connaughton


Lillard / Hill / Baldwin
McCollum / Lee / Dotson
Harkless / Hutchison / Connaughton
Collins / Williams / Frye / Franks (2-way)
Nurkic / Davis / Hernangomez / Papagiannis (2-way)

Rotation:
Lillard (35) / Hill (13)
McCollum (34) / Hill (14)
Harkless (20) / Lee (20) / Hutchison (8)
Collins (22) / Williams (20) / Harkless (6)
Nurkic (30) / Davis (18)
 
Fez Von Savage said:
Bench -- a PG that can run an offense, push the tempo. Last summer I really wanted Rubio for this role when he was available.

My #1 target for this role:

Tyler Ulis

Mirco-CP3, he has shown flashes. Floundering in PHX.
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Another small-guard...?

And an inefficient one who's been bad defensively at that?
 
LayneStaley said:
Trading CJ and Chief while hopefully attaching Hark/Meyers/or ET in those deals.

Not resigning any of our free agents unless Nurk wants to sign in the 12-14 per range.

Obtaining as much draft capital as possible in those deals

And yes if these moves turn Dame off to the franchise trading him in his prime for hopefully a top 5-7 pick.

That would classify as dismantled to me. Not saying i want this, just clarifying.
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We can get rid of Harkless for free if we want. His contract isn't dead weight at all. But yes, that is dismantling and isn't the route that should be taken. We can move a lot of those guys but I either want to get better now while maintaining flexibility and youthful talent for the future, or stay the same now and add flexibility and youthful talent for the future. Preferably both, with a new coach as well.
 
If CLE is shopping Love:

ATL Gets: Meyers Leonard, Al-Farouq Aminu, Jake Layman
POR Gets: Kevin Love, George Hill, Miles Plumlee (TPE)
CLE Gets: Evan Turner, Caleb Swanigan, 2019 POR 1st, 2021 POR 1st,

CLE Saves ~$24M

Draft Hutchison

Lillard / Hill
McCollum / Hill
Harkless / Hutchison
Love / Collins
Nurkic / Davis

I like it.
 
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BonesJones said:
If CLE is shopping Love:

ATL Gets: Meyers Leonard, Al-Farouq Aminu, Jake Layman
POR Gets: Kevin Love, George Hill, Miles Plumlee (TPE)
CLE Gets: Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, Caleb Swanigan, 2019 POR 1st, 2021 POR 1st,

CLE Saves ~$27M

Draft Hutchison

Lillard / Hill
McCollum / Hill
Harkless / Hutchison
Love / Collins
Nurkic / Davis

I like it.
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Terrible trade for portland, Love and Hill are garbage
 
Labinot41 said:
Terrible trade for portland, Love and Hill are garbage
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This take is beyond ignorant. Per 36 stats:

Love: 22.7ppg, 11.9rpg, 45.8FG%, 41.5 3P%
Hill: 13.3ppg, 3.7apg, 46.0FG%, 41.5 3P%

How is that garbage...?
 
BonesJones said:
"Lack of skill" is the biggest cop out possible.

He's had a top 10 offense because he's had either a top 5 offensive big man and top 5 offensive guard, or a top 5 offensive guard and a top 10 offensive guard. He's had legitimate offensive talent, especially in the Aldridge days. We we're top 10 in assists during the Aldridge era, as well actually moved the ball around the horn, used Aldridge to collapse the defense, and played from there. But Nurkic is a better passer than RoLo.... CJ is a better passer than Wes was (not saying much)... Dame is a better passer than he used to be... Turner is a better passer than Dorell Wright, even though his APG have been cut in half since he came here (which is indicative of the problem)... So how can you sit here and say that the Aldridge teams we're top 10 in assists because they knew how to pass, but we're LAST in assists because somehow, we're THAT bad at passing?

His offense is easily defended in the playoffs in the post-Aldridge era. His offense stagnates under any sort of pressure. I've noted this two years ago and it's gotten even worse. Watch the film.

FYI, not everything has to be pick n roll. Ball movement doesn't mean threading the needle or making tricky passes. It means hitting the open guy, making the extra pass, driving against the seams and kicking out. You really think we have the worst passing team in the league in terms of skill? Even then, a good team would have sets that would utilize basic passing that would get us more assists per game than we do. If somebody is sprung open on a curl, any NBA player can deliver them the ball.

We ARE built to run. Who said Harkless should be pushing on the fast break?? We have two guards that should be pushing the ball. Both are great ball handlers, both can pullup from 3, mid-range, or get to the rim and finish crafty lay-ins. We have two fast, long, athletic wings in Harkless and Aminu that would be great running the lanes. You believe that, to be great in transition, we need "power finishers"? Golden State didn't have anyone like that when they had Harrison Barnes at SF (pre-Durant) yet they we're still the best transition/fast break team in the league. These guys don't know how to run a fastbreak because of coaching. They're not coached to. They don't have principles in place based on transition and fast break offense. They don't have a coach that will get on them for not running. How many times have you heard Terry Stotts emphasize running the break in the huddle?

Do we need better offensive players? Probably. But that's not the problem. Even with poor offensive players, we can still run an offensive system that has more than 2 passes in a possession, that attempts to get something other than jumpshots, and that has some level of player movement with cuts that aren't away from the rim.
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Good points about fast breaks. I was watching GS yesterday and was surprised how much they score on fast breaks and also how many times they score within 3-5 seconds after crossing the midline. Something I noticed this season is that teams don't really need to double Dame to stop him way out top; he stops himself a lot of times and just holds the ball out there, surveying the scene. When did that happen? Is it effective? Even against the Pelicans, why didn't he push it faster and get some penetration for a kickout or to a slasher or for a lob, before he got doubleteamed?
 
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While I don't see much happening this summer, there is quite a to do list should Neil Olshey decide to undertake it. In the least he will have to decided who to drqft and what players to resign. Here is the to do list:

Draft: Do Blazers just use their pick? Do they try to trade their pick and other players for upgrades?

Free Agency: Blazers have several free agents. Nurk, Bazz, and Pat are restricted. Davis is unrestricted.

Blazers have to decide whether to keep Layman, Baldwin, Papagiannis

Blazers don't have a lot of cap space to sign other free agents, unless they make moves (I.E. trading Meyers and Turner, CJ? Aminu?

TPE and MLE

Blazers have 2 TPEs

So there is ways to get things done this summer and better this roster. Question is how far will Stotts go to do that?
 
BonesJones said:
This take is beyond ignorant. Per 36 stats:

Love: 22.7ppg, 11.9rpg, 45.8FG%, 41.5 3P%
Hill: 13.3ppg, 3.7apg, 46.0FG%, 41.5 3P%

How is that garbage...?
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Have you seen them both playing in the Playoffs? Love is not the same anymore and Hill also
 
LayneStaley said:
Can you imagine an Ayton/Zach frontcourt? Lol no one would ever score in the paint again on us. It would be similar to having Robinson/Duncan except both on the same career arc, it would pretty much be the sickest thing that ever happened to this franchise, and if we kept cj too.....shit.
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Why would no one score against us in the paint? Ayton isn’t known for his defensive ability at all.
 
Chris Craig said:
While I don't see much happening this summer, there is quite a to do list should Neil Olshey decide to undertake it. In the least he will have to decided who to drqft and what players to resign. Here is the to do list:

Draft: Do Blazers just use their pick? Do they try to trade their pick and other players for upgrades?

Free Agency: Blazers have several free agents. Nurk, Bazz, and Pat are restricted. Davis is unrestricted.

Blazers have to decide whether to keep Layman, Baldwin, Papagiannis

Blazers don't have a lot of cap space to sign other free agents, unless they make moves (I.E. trading Meyers and Turner, CJ? Aminu?

TPE and MLE

Blazers have 2 TPEs

So there is ways to get things done this summer and better this roster. Question is how far will Stotts go to do that?
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Trading our pick for another mediocre player (last year people wanted Trevor Booker) would be yet another move to consolidate mediocrity.

We might luck into finding another Kuzma in the 20s of the draft or we might get a complete bust but that would still be better than giving up this pick for a player we already know is average at most (it’s what you can get for a late first round pick) or attaching it to get rid of a bad deal.
 
I would look for the market for C.J first and foremost. He is our only asset, other than Lillard, who can fetch us a piece that would maybe make us better. Even if we can get an expiring player like Butler or Kawhi to roll for a year and maybe convince to stay beyond that, I would probably make that move.
 
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