OT Sunday School time? or Science?

[MarAzul]

Some of the thoughts in the Pluto thread seem appropriate for another thread.

I thought spinning was part of gravity though. So mass is the only thing that matters for gravity? I thought space stationts spin to create artificial gravity? Or is that just the movies?

I mean, there's still "strong gravitational" force. As in gm1m2/r^2. In an awesome coincidence, the rotation of the earth is so balanced with the radius/mass of the earth such that a) you don't get tossed into space and b) you don't get smushed like a dime against the face of the earth (Like you would on, say, Jupiter).

Uh oh! thought of some more complications. Gravity only directly opposes the centrifugal force of the spinning at the equator where the force vectors are in the same plane. Move toward either pole, the centrifugal force becomes less aligned with gravity as that force become perpendicular to centrifugal force which weakens in as a function of the cosign of the latitude as the diameter decreases. So it is a good thing it is not equal, it's in the wrong plane. But we are only talking about forces of around .5 % of the gravity.

Dang! I wished you had not brought this up. @rasheedfan2005

When you think about it just a little, we humans and most of the other creature here on Earth are rather tender little things. Not very strong and really have a very narrow environmental comfort zone.

Did we just find our niche when we pick earth as home? Did we just spring forth out the surface litter?
Or were we designed for our niche in the beginning? A list of many of the variable that must be quite right, does make our niche pretty darn rare. I am not sure we even know if it is not, simply unique.


Our planet has these qualities that we require;

The right size, so that the gravity is within our tolerance.

The right amount of spin so the one side is not over exposed to the suns heat
and the centrifugal forces are within our tolerances.

The right distance from our heat source of a size, that fills our needs.

A moon of the right size to work in tandem with the planet to move the oceans
just right for habitat and cleaning.

All the elements we require including carbon and water are here.

The atmosphere is not toxic to us now, but only since the planet has matured.

The atmosphere contain all the elements we require for us and our food sources.
Including Oxygen, Hydrogen, and carbon dioxide.

Contributed by Lanny

"The right amount of iron in our core to provide the poles of sufficient strength to ward off dangerous solar radiation. This happened because Gaia was struck by Theia at just the right angle to not only form our moon but also to provide iron and a spin that is just right. The term 'amazing' hardly does it justice."

This is indeed correct, without our Magnetic Shield, the Sun's Solar winds would strip away the Ozone lay which protects us for the Sun's ultraviolet light.

Contributed by Denny

The range of life on earth is compatible for all life, not dominated by an overwhelming predictor species.

Next contributor.

I suspect you guys can even add more, @crandc , perhaps even more yet.
but then, that would brings us even closer to unique.

I say, we were indeed designed for our niche. And this is why we find no others, even with the brightest seeking for centuries now.

What say you?

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I think we have far too many issues to deal with on this fragile little ecosphere to spend too much time trying to answer the unanswerable. That said, I believe in a higher power AND an afterlife, whatever either one of those might actually be.....

 

[MarAzul]

I think we have far too many issues to deal with on this fragile little ecosphere to spend too much time trying to answer the unanswerable. That said, I believe in a higher power AND an afterlife, whatever either one of those might actually be.....

Well, you offer me no room to differ! How dull! This thread may be off the page in a single day.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Well, you offer me no room to differ! How dull, this thread may be off the page in a single day.

In baseball parlance that’s called “throwing you a curveball”.......

 

[MarAzul]

In baseball parlance that’s called “throwing you a curveball”.......

Naw, I judge that one to be straight down the middle. It froze me with delight.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Naw, I judge that one to be straight down the middle. It froze me with delight.

Moderates are people too......

 

[BrianFromWA]

 

[MarAzul]

Yep! This will be off the page before the end of the day.

We have just moved on to the really nasty shit now.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Some of the thoughts in the Pluto thread seem appropriate for another thread.








When you think about it just a little, we humans and most of the other creature here on Earth are rather tender little things. Not very strong and really have a very narrow environmental comfort zone.

Did we just find our niche when we pick earth as home? Did we just spring forth out the surface litter?
Or were we designed for our niche in the beginning? A list of many of the variable that must be quite right, does make our niche pretty darn rare. I am not sure we even know if it is not, simple unique.


Our planet has these qualities that we require;

The right size, so that the gravity is within our tolerance.

The right amount of spin so the one side is not over exposed to the suns heat
and the centrifugal forces are within our tolerances.

The right distance from our heat source of a size, that fills our needs.

A moon of the right size to work in tandem with the planet to move the oceans
just right for habitat and cleaning.

All the elements we require including carbon and water are here.

The atmosphere is not toxic to us now, but only since the planet has matured.

The atmosphere contain all the elements we require for us and our food sources.
Including Oxygen, Hydrogen, and carbon dioxide.

I suspect you guys can even add more, @crandc , perhaps even more yet.
but then, that would brings us even closer to unique.

I say, we were indeed designed for our niche. And this is why we find no others, even with the brightest seeking for centuries now.

What say you?

Wait, so this planet is perfect for us, and we're tender with a very narrow environmental comfort zone, but we're not polluting it?

 

[MarAzul]

but we're not polluting it?

How did you take this tack?

 

[MarAzul]

Wait, so this planet is perfect for us, and we're tender with a very narrow environmental comfort zone, but we're not polluting it?

How did you take this tack?

Well since you did ask. I suppose I view it rather like too many head on a given range. I is not good for the habitat to exceed the sustainable capacity.

When the Earth had a million people we were no stress at all, the other species may have been the culprits, but not men.
When the Earth had a Billion people we were not an overall stress on the environment, but perhaps a few localized area were.
Now that we are at Seven Billion and closing rapidly on 14 billion, no doubt way before the end of this century, our combined foot print is massive and most unsustainable. Not just pollution, but we over graze, over uses the habitat, and crowd out other species.
Pollution indeed! We are the pollution in more ways than one.

 

[barfo]

Seems like a questionable argument to me. True, we have a very narrow ecological niche, but much wider than most other organisms on the earth.

So if our niche means we were designed for our environment, rather than evolving/adapting to it, then certainly the cave salamander and the salmon and the Little Barrier Island Giant Weta must have been designed too, since they are even more specialized.

And if you don't believe in evolution, and you do believe in divine creation of all living things, then that's fine, of course.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

I think we are afraid to believe that we are alone in this world, so man has made up gods since the beginning of our time. What makes this god any different than Oden, Zeus, Ra, or Jupiter? History has proven that even thousands of years ago, man has used religion to control the populace and profit. When Alexander the Great conquered Egypt, he was told that if he went through their rituals to become the new Pharaoh, he would become their god and the people would be less likely to revolt. This was an amazing realization for Alexander, so he sent word back to Greece that the temples were to now start telling the people that he was a god.

So what makes Christianity any different? It has been used to control the populace. The Catholic church has done terrible things in the name of God. All of the death and torture and persecution that has happened under Christianity. And it is still used today to take people's money and manipulate the people all over the world.

I think there's still something larger than us, but I don't think it's the Christian god. That story has been twisted and altered and revised so many times, who even knows what really happened over 2,000 years ago.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There You Have It: Emails Confirm Coal, Oil, and Gas Extraction Drove Shrinking of National Monuments

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...m-coal-oil-and-gas-extraction-drove-shrinking

 

[MarAzul]

Seems like a questionable argument to me.

>>> I am down, barf does not understand.

True, we have a very narrow ecological niche, but much wider than most other organisms on the earth.

>>> I am up, barf is getting it

So if our niche means we were designed for our environment, rather than evolving/adapting to it

>>>> Oh back down again, barf is lost in assumptions again, no one eliminated evolving and adapting as a tool. Here on earth of course, within our niche.

And if you don't believe in evolution

>>>> Oh my, barf flew the coop, out into assumption land.

 

[MarAzul]

So what makes Christianity any different? It has been used to control the populace. The Catholic church has done terrible things in the name of God. All of the death and torture and persecution that has happened under Christianity. And it is still used today to take people's money and manipulate the people all over the world.

>>> Well, I will leave it to other much more qualified to teach Christianity. Perhaps @BrianFromWA or @PtldPlatypus. But I do think you confuse men using the religion for cover with the actually religion itself and the teaching of Jesus which I find very helpful to men.

who even knows what really happened over 2,000 years ago.

>>>Now this is and interest one to study a bit if you want to take the time. Bill O'Riely wrote a pretty good book, Killing Jesus.
I was surprised to find they had done so much research into Jesus and actually found much of the stuff known about Jesus's life and Crucifixion in historical records.

 

[MarAzul]

Shrinking of National Monuments

Need to do the same for the vast amount of the Pacific Obama closed to us too. Rather emperor like. But perhaps a different thread.

 

[barfo]

>>> I am down, barf does not understand.


>>> I am up, barf is getting it


>>>> Oh back down again, barf is lost in assumptions again, no one eliminated evolving and adapting as a tool. Here on earth of course, within our niche.


>>>> Oh my, barf flew the coup, out into assumption land.

You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "if", but leaving that aside...

Then are you saying that we are the product of evolution, but somehow this planet was chosen for us to evolve on? That seems an unnecessary addition.

Probably I don't really understand what point you are trying to make.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Need to do the same for the vast amount of the Pacific Obama closed to us too. Rather emperor like. But perhaps a different thread.

Obama closed the ocean? I was just down there yesterday. It was open, me and the dog went right in.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Obama closed the ocean? I was just down there yesterday. It was open, me and the dog went right in.

Was it dead? And is that considered marine necrophilia?

 

[barfo]

Was it dead? And is that considered marine necrophilia?

If the dog rolled in it, it was probably dead.

barfo

 

[rasheedfan2005]

The only logic conclusion when looking at the complexity of life, tha DNA coding system, the laws of thermodynamics, or any scientific law really. Is that there had to be a designer.

How can there be codes withoutba programmer? How can there be laws without a law giver?

The next logical step is to want to figure out who the designer is, but it seems today people cant even get passed the obvious step 1.

 

[riverman]

Theology is fascinating.....all the religious outlooks that have stuck and hung around for thousands of years....my parents were staunch atheist Midwestern farmers...I joined church on my own when I was in about 5th grade for two reasons....the music was amazing and the girls were pretty and dressed up..after the war I found Christianity lacking substance for my spiritual needs and moved on to eastern studies...Taoism is my favorite so far...no dogma..no agenda..connected to all life we share the planet with and not some human alpha domination over nature....today I'd say I'm agnostic....but I go to Easter Mass for the music and sense of love....Lao Tse impressed the hell out of me. I don't believe we're here to suffer and die for a god...I don't believe in eternal damnation of pagans...I don't believe in an after life but I believe in reincarnation and a soul that leaves the body behind and transforms. We probably all come from sponges in the ocean but after finding land have been visited by travelers throughout time and they may have left some seed....sort of explains angels and Greek Mythology or Mayan myths..they all have visitors from the heavens in the lore....just came from a ping pong marathon with my son.....I'm babbling here...apologies

 

[Lanny]

Some of the thoughts in the Pluto thread seem appropriate for another thread.








When you think about it just a little, we humans and most of the other creature here on Earth are rather tender little things. Not very strong and really have a very narrow environmental comfort zone.

Did we just find our niche when we pick earth as home? Did we just spring forth out the surface litter?
Or were we designed for our niche in the beginning? A list of many of the variable that must be quite right, does make our niche pretty darn rare. I am not sure we even know if it is not, simple unique.


Our planet has these qualities that we require;

The right size, so that the gravity is within our tolerance.

The right amount of spin so the one side is not over exposed to the suns heat
and the centrifugal forces are within our tolerances.

The right distance from our heat source of a size, that fills our needs.

A moon of the right size to work in tandem with the planet to move the oceans
just right for habitat and cleaning.

All the elements we require including carbon and water are here.

The atmosphere is not toxic to us now, but only since the planet has matured.

The atmosphere contain all the elements we require for us and our food sources.
Including Oxygen, Hydrogen, and carbon dioxide.

I suspect you guys can even add more, @crandc , perhaps even more yet.
but then, that would brings us even closer to unique.

I say, we were indeed designed for our niche. And this is why we find no others, even with the brightest seeking for centuries now.

What say you?

Marzy, we also have the right amount of iron in our core to provide the poles of sufficient strength to ward off dangerous solar radiation. This happened because Gaia was struck by Theia at just the right angle to not only form our moon but also to provide iron and a spin that is just right. The term 'amazing' hardly does it justice.

 

[Lanny]

The only logic conclusion when looking at the complexity of life, tha DNA coding system, the laws of thermodynamics, or any scientific law really. Is that there had to be a designer.

How can there be codes withoutba programmer? How can there be laws without a law giver?

The next logical step is to want to figure out who the designer is, but it seems today people cant even get passed the obvious step 1.

Also consider that infinity is an awful big number. This thought sends me into a tailspin that only religion can solve.

By the way, I never liked Wallace.

 

[barfo]

The only logic conclusion when looking at the complexity of life, tha DNA coding system, the laws of thermodynamics, or any scientific law really. Is that there had to be a designer.

How can there be codes withoutba programmer? How can there be laws without a law giver?

The next logical step is to want to figure out who the designer is, but it seems today people cant even get passed the obvious step 1.

Well, you don't make a very good case for it. The laws that govern physics aren't arbitrary, they are the result of the nature of matter. Nature is the "lawgiver".

barfo

 

[riverman]

I also think there's a difference between what exists in the universe and what our senses are capable of perceiving...we may be just a speck of dust on a much larger entity...

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I think we are afraid to believe that we are alone in this world, so man has made up gods since the beginning of our time. What makes this god any different than Oden, Zeus, Ra, or Jupiter? History has proven that even thousands of years ago, man has used religion to control the populace and profit. When Alexander the Great conquered Egypt, he was told that if he went through their rituals to become the new Pharaoh, he would become their god and the people would be less likely to revolt. This was an amazing realization for Alexander, so he sent word back to Greece that the temples were to now start telling the people that he was a god.

So what makes Christianity any different? It has been used to control the populace. The Catholic church has done terrible things in the name of God. All of the death and torture and persecution that has happened under Christianity. And it is still used today to take people's money and manipulate the people all over the world.

I think there's still something larger than us, but I don't think it's the Christian god. That story has been twisted and altered and revised so many times, who even knows what really happened over 2,000 years ago.

I used to say the same thing until one day i questioned why does christianity seem to be twisted so much? why do most rock bands hate this jesus fellow? Then someone showed me in the bible that satan is the ruler of this world. Suddenly it made sense. If he hates christ so much, wouldnt that fuel him to twist scripture constantly to confuse people? Then i read satan is the author of confusion in the bible. Wow my theory was written down. Then i read the first twisting of scripture in scripture in the garden of eden story. Satan confuses and convinces people they are doing right in the name of jesus when they are in fact doing wrong. I learned that if you study the bible, then you can now make sure what a man says follows the bible, instead of following what a man says. You'd be surprised just how lonely a real christian feels in todays society. I cant even find a church home as there are so many confused and faulty doctrines. But i have my bible and the spirit of God so i'm never truly alone.

 

[barfo]

I also think there's a difference between what exists in the universe and what our senses are capable of perceiving...we may be just a speck of dust on a much larger entity...

It's turtles all the way down.

barfo

 

[riverman]

It's turtles all the way down.

barfo

well pencil me in a fan.....at least it's not a sea slug all the way down