OT Sunday School time? or Science?

[Nikolokolus]

Entropy says everything is moving toward chaose but evolution says we are mutating to a more advanced creature. Evolution defies entropy.

The heart beats because the DNA code tells it to. The DNA code has established how you will look as an adult before you exit the womb. There is no possible way for primordial soup to be struck by lightning and form DNA.

Evolution is beyond unscientific. Id believe in the flying spaghetti monster before id believe this garbage psycience.

Completely and unequivocally wrong. That's more like Lamarckism, then Darwin's model.

Since extinction is the norm throughout history, rather than the exception, evolutionary theory posits that life is always mutating, but that most mutations are adaptive "dead ends" or don't offer any survival advantages. But when a mutation is advantageous, it leads to greater odds that the mutation gets passed on the next generation and over very long time horizons, out-competes organisms that don't have the adaptive advantage.

 

[Denny Crane]

Completely and unequivocally wrong. That's more like Lamarckism, then Darwin's model.

Since extinction is the norm throughout history, rather than the exception, evolutionary theory posits that life is always mutating, but that most mutations are adaptive "dead ends" or don't offer any survival advantages. But when a mutation is advantageous, it leads to greater odds that the mutation gets passed on the next generation and over very long time horizons, out-competes organisms that don't have the adaptive advantage.

How does mutation resolve mass extinction events? Like a meteor strike. I don't see how Darwin/Evolution suggests which species survive those.

 

[riverman]

I don't see how Darwin/Evolution suggests which species survive those.

The planet determines that....oceans being where more species survived....of course that was before you declared them dead

 

[Denny Crane]

The planet determines that....oceans being where more species survived....of course that was before you declared them dead

You cannot have a complete theory of Evolution without accounting for mass extinction events. If not for the one that killed the dinosaurs (as best we know), the dinosaurs would still be the dominant species on the planet and humans might not even exist.

 

[riverman]

You cannot have a complete theory of Evolution without accounting for mass extinction events. If not for the one that killed the dinosaurs (as best we know), the dinosaurs would still be the dominant species on the planet and humans might not even exist.

Large dinosaurs couldn't eat after the vegetation was seriously devastated...ice froze many out from the darkening of the planet after impact...if a living creature lived underground or in the ocean....they probably had a better chance of survival

 

[riverman]

humans might not even exist.

but they do...duh

 

[Denny Crane]

but they do...duh

Because of a meteor, not just because of Evolution.

 

[Denny Crane]

Large dinosaurs couldn't eat after the vegetation was seriously devastated...ice froze many out from the darkening of the planet after impact...if a living creature lived underground or in the ocean....they probably had a better chance of survival

Dinosaurs ate just fine for 250M years.

Humans have been around for ~2M.

 

[riverman]

Because of a meteor, not just because of Evolution.

I don't see the argument you're trying to make here....it's because of both ...not one or the other

 

[riverman]

Humans have been around for ~2M.

And we're still here.....for the present at least....winning!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

OMG! Denny is right, HILLARY CLINTON KILLED THE DINOSAURS AND THEN BLAMED THE RUSSIANS!

 

[riverman]

OMG! Denny is right, HILLARY CLINTON KILLED THE DINOSAURS AND THEN BLAMED THE RUSSIANS!

and Obama surrendered to the dinosaurs

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't see the argument you're trying to make here....it's because of both ...not one or the other

The catastrophic acts of nature (or god, if you will) definitely reset things.

You might think that Evolution would dictate humans arise and dominate (are still here). To me, that makes no sense at all.

Evolution kicks in once the board is reset, so to speak. The big difference is that this act of nature has wiped out the vast majority of predators who would have eaten most of the human precursor species.

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny is right!

sig worthy.

 

[MarAzul]

Our planet has these qualities that we require;

we humans and most of the other creature here on Earth are rather tender little things.

The big difference is that this act of nature has wiped out the vast majority of predators who would have eaten most of the human precursor species.

So, perhaps we do need to add a requirement to the list that Earth provides us, making it most unique.

I sort of beat about it in the lead off as quoted above, but Denny hit on it directly.

The range of life on earth is compatible for all life, not dominated by an overwhelming predictor species.

(Added to the list)

Although by the shear numbers, human maybe approaching this status.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Completely and unequivocally wrong. That's more like Lamarckism, then Darwin's model.

Since extinction is the norm throughout history, rather than the exception, evolutionary theory posits that life is always mutating, but that most mutations are adaptive "dead ends" or don't offer any survival advantages. But when a mutation is advantageous, it leads to greater odds that the mutation gets passed on the next generation and over very long time horizons, out-competes organisms that don't have the adaptive advantage.

Show me a beneficial "mutation". One observed in nature, not just theorized.

If evolution holds true. How is there more than 1 species? Why sex? At some point a female and male had to mutate reproductive organs at the same time. It's a mathematical impossibility.

 

[Nikolokolus]

How does mutation resolve mass extinction events? Like a meteor strike. I don't see how Darwin/Evolution suggests which species survive those.

Which ever ones are best adapted to eeking out a living in the new environment? Old niches destroyed, new ones created, etc. Look at a massive catastrophic disturbance like Mt. St. Helen's -- totally denuded, but left alone life returns. Maybe not exactly as it was before, but it comes back. On a global scale disaster you get massive die-offs and a few Hardy survivors make it, reproduce, mutate and start the whole damned cycle over again.

 

[riverman]

The big difference is that this act of nature has wiped out the vast majority of predators who would have eaten most of the human precursor species.

Wolves, Cougars, Bear, Lions and many predators today could wipe out a lot of people....steel and fire were sort of game changers...even for the Sabre Tooth tiger and Wooly Mammoth...some might lump acts of nature in with evolution...part of the chain of events....even a meteorite shower is part of the chain of events...just like the big bang started the primordial soup of life in some views....chicken...egg..the new predator man needs to fear is invisible to the naked eye...the airborne virus

 

[Nikolokolus]

Show me a beneficial "mutation". One observed in nature, not just theorized.

If evolution holds true. How is there more than 1 species? Why sex? At some point a female and male had to mutate reproductive organs at the same time. It's a mathematical impossibility.

Look at the hemoglobin in people who are native Nepalese compared to the rest of the world. It's bonds an extra oxygen molecule.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

If evolution holds true. Why vaginas? I mean. You can watch an episode of the view and learn quickly that the vagina is a non beneficial mutation. It should have never been passed. Yet every species has one. What did the first vagina offer in the means of survival that allowed it to grab hold and continue in all other species? And why is the vagina currently trying to grow on the hats of feminists? What beneficial evolutionary purpose does that serve?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Look at the hemoglobin in people who are native Nepalese compared to the rest of the world. It's bonds an extra oxygen molecule.

Cool. When do they grow 2 more legs and turn into a horse? (No jessica parker)

 

[riverman]

Look at the hemoglobin in people who are native Nepalese compared to the rest of the world. It's bonds an extra oxygen molecule.

interesting...didn't know that...I knew the indigenous divers in Hokaido in Japan had enormous lungs and could stay under water without oxygen for longer than was thought possible

 

[Nikolokolus]

Is evolution holds true. Why vaginas? I mean. You can watch an episode of the view and learn quickly that the vagina is a non beneficial mutation. It should have never been passed. Yet every species has one. What did the first vagina offer in the means of survival that allowed it to grab hold and continue in all other species? And why is the vagina currently trying to grow on the hats of feminists? What beneficial evolutionary purpose does that serve?

Not every mutation is beneficial or detrimental. If we are created being made in God's image then why the hell do we eat, drink and breathe out of the same hole? That's shitty design.

 

[MarAzul]

If we are created being made in God's image then why the hell do we eat, drink and breathe out of the same hole? That's shitty design.

I sort of view a boat design with the least holes in the hull the better design. The least likely for something to go wrong.
But trying to do with less than two is a shitty design.

 

[dviss1]

To answer the thread title:

We don't have to choose between the two.

IMO it's a false choice.

 

[MarAzul]

To answer the thread title:

We don't have to choose between the two.

IMO it's a false choice.

Leaving it open is not closed.

 

[dviss1]

Leaving it open is not closed.

I'm honestly not understanding what you mean.

My contention is God could've very well started the big bang, I just don't believe it. But the fact of the matter is, none of us know nor will know until we die.

So until then I will not serve a God who believes slaves should be obedient to their masters.

If the slave and the master pray to the same God, who gets their prayer answered?

 

[MarAzul]

I'm honestly not understanding what you mean.

>>> You said it is a false choice. I said, leaving it open is OK, or the option in not closed.

My contention is God could've very well started the big bang, I just don't believe it. But the fact of the matter is, none of us know nor will know until we die.

>>>I doubt we will know

So until then I will not serve a God who believes slaves should be obedient to their masters.

>>>Fair enough, but I am please you do know the founder did not create the concept. Nor am I sure God took a hand in it either.

If the slave and the master pray to the same God, who gets their prayer answered?

>>> Fair question. But I doubt we will know. We have no slaves to ask, nor can we be sure God would know the difference.
I never ask him for anything. I do sometime thank him, in my way.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Not every mutation is beneficial or detrimental. If we are created being made in God's image then why the hell do we eat, drink and breathe out of the same hole? That's shitty design.

Seems efficient to me. Some liberals poop out that hole too!

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I'm honestly not understanding what you mean.

My contention is God could've very well started the big bang, I just don't believe it. But the fact of the matter is, none of us know nor will know until we die.

So until then I will not serve a God who believes slaves should be obedient to their masters.

If the slave and the master pray to the same God, who gets their prayer answered?

1 john 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.