OT Sunday School time? or Science?

[rasheedfan2005]

To answer the thread title:

We don't have to choose between the two.

IMO it's a false choice.

Joshua 24:15
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

It appears not making a choice is making a choice.

 

[dviss1]

Joshua 24:15
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

It appears not making a choice is making a choice.

This verse might mean that but it doesn't mean disavow science...

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I'm honestly not understanding what you mean.

My contention is God could've very well started the big bang, I just don't believe it. But the fact of the matter is, none of us know nor will know until we die.

So until then I will not serve a God who believes slaves should be obedient to their masters.

If the slave and the master pray to the same God, who gets their prayer answered?

Are you saying you are not a slave? Try quitting your job and living free, report back on slavery. You obey your master, you dont have a police record. Good job!

 

[dviss1]

1 john 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Written by men who threw rocks at their wives when raped so...

 

[dviss1]

Are you saying you are not a slave? Try quitting your job and living free, report back on slavery. You obey your master, you dont have a police record. Good job!

Slavery and responsibility are not one in the same.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

sig worthy.

Nah, just stick with your personal insults and complaints about me.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Slavery and responsibility are not one in the same.

Try disobeying your master at work and see what happens.

Slaves of old got room and board as payment. They were forced to stay.
Today's slaves work willfully for their god, money.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Slavery and responsibility are not one in the same.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

(Shout out to tv evangelists and faith healers)

 

[Denny Crane]

Which ever ones are best adapted to eeking out a living in the new environment? Old niches destroyed, new ones created, etc. Look at a massive catastrophic disturbance like Mt. St. Helen's -- totally denuded, but left alone life returns. Maybe not exactly as it was before, but it comes back. On a global scale disaster you get massive die-offs and a few Hardy survivors make it, reproduce, mutate and start the whole damned cycle over again.

Seems like survival was outright luck. Especially when you have those extinction events that take out 99%+ of all species. It's not a Evolutionary process to eliminate most (surviving) species' predators from the environment.

Of course, after the fallout of the event, Evolution picks up from what's left.

My point is that Evolution doesn't fully explain how species evolved from single cell to Man. It gets a little stranger when you consider that Man has intelligence and selects species for things that defeats Evolution. Like we breed tomatoes for size, which makes them attractive to prey (us).

I'm not denying Evolution in the least. All the processes ascribed to it are very real and should not be denied.

 

[dviss1]

Try disobeying your master at work and see what happens.

Slaves of old got room and board as payment. They were forced to stay.
Today's slaves work willfully for their god, money.

I can choose where or not I work for my company so no, they're not my masters...

 

[dviss1]

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

(Shout out to tv evangelists and faith healers)

Bible wrong once again.

The root of all evil is greed.

 

[Denny Crane]

The root of all evil is coveting what your neighbor has.

 

[donkiez]

Seems like survival was outright luck. Especially when you have those extinction events that take out 99%+ of all species. It's not a Evolutionary process to eliminate most (surviving) species' predators from the environment.

Of course, after the fallout of the event, Evolution picks up from what's left.

My point is that Evolution doesn't fully explain how species evolved from single cell to Man. It gets a little stranger when you consider that Man has intelligence and selects species for things that defeats Evolution. Like we breed tomatoes for size, which makes them attractive to prey (us).

I'm not denying Evolution in the least. All the processes ascribed to it are very real and should not be denied.

It could be argued that Tomatoes have won the evolution game. Even though they are breed for unnecessary characteristics their survival and propagation is assured due to their deliciousness. If people go extinct that could make times tough for the tomato, but I think they will survive.

 

[Denny Crane]

It could be argued that Tomatoes have won the evolution game. Even though they are breed for unnecessary characteristics their survival and propagation is assured due to their deliciousness. If people go extinct that could make times tough for the tomato, but I think they will survive.

Like I said, it's a tricky question.

Normally, survival means you don't get eaten.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I can choose where or not I work for my company so no, they're not my masters...

You sign a contract when hired. You agree to provide services for money. Money is your master. You cant live without your master.

Remember when master took your kids obamacare? You protested, but master said no. And you kept on workin.

We all serve something. Today's popular god is money, i think self is a close second, maybe even more prevalent.

 

[donkiez]

Like I said, it's a tricky question.

Normally, survival means you don't get eaten.

I would say the point of life is not survival, its surviving long enough to pass your genes to the next generation for continued species survival. We all die, some are eaten, others are not.

 

[MarAzul]

"“Many seeds, including tomatoes, have an impermeable outer layer that protects the seed and allows the delicate embryo to survive the trip through an animal’s digestive system,” said Kerry Barringer, curator of the herbarium at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/science/how-can-plant-seeds-survive-the-digestive-process.html

 

[barfo]

Are you saying you are not a slave? Try quitting your job and living free, report back on slavery. You obey your master, you dont have a police record. Good job!

Aren't you currently unemployed? So how is it being a free man? You aren't planning to go back to slavery, are you?

barfo

 

[donkiez]

"“Many seeds, including tomatoes, have an impermeable outer layer that protects the seed and allows the delicate embryo to survive the trip through an animal’s digestive system,” said Kerry Barringer, curator of the herbarium at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/science/how-can-plant-seeds-survive-the-digestive-process.html

reminded me of this story

http://www.tmithings.com/scientists-poop-unexpected-tomatoes-volcanic-island/

 

[Chris Craig]

I believe that both creationism and science can both be rectified. This debate of one or the other seems a bit confining to me. That the Earth has proved the perfect petri dish for Humans, for life seems a little to random and coincidental. At the same time just because the Earth supports life as we know it, doesn't mean that other planets with hostile atmospheres arent perfect for other forms life we have not even yet thought of or have only began to theorize about. It makes one hell of a conversation doesn't it?

 

[Chris Craig]

We haven't found a duplicate of Earth, though we have found similar planets larger than our own

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Aren't you currently unemployed? So how is it being a free man? You aren't planning to go back to slavery, are you?

barfo

I am indeed.

However, My heavenly master is greater than the temporal. He can be yours as well.

John 8:28-36
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

We haven't found an a duplicate of Earth, though we have found similar planets larger than our own

And millions of years of lightning and inorganic matter have failed to spring forth organic matter on these worlds? Weird.

 

[MarAzul]

At the same time just because the Earth supports life as we know it, doesn't mean that other planets with hostile atmospheres arent perfect for other forms life we have not even yet thought of or have only began to theorize about.

Well that is the essence of the conversation. We have been searching for some time now. We hear nothing, We see nothing, We sense with everything we can devise
and find nothing. So do we have the unique place? We can't even find a place that would match the requirements. My sense of the maths suggest it will not change.

 

[barfo]

And millions of years of lightning and inorganic matter have failed to spring forth organic matter on these worlds? Weird.

We don't know yet whether it did or didn't.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Can you imagine the friggin noise this place emits? I mean even I throw a noise stream out into space that could be heard if there were and ear.
Together, we must be a very bad neighbor, maybe like some you know on a given Friday night. So why can we not detect one even quite neighbor, with all the ears we possess?

Logic suggest we are it, for this cycle. But there could be a twin, in the next.

 

[barfo]

Well that is the essence of the conversation. We have been searching for some time now. We hear nothing, We see nothing, We sense with everything we can devise
and find nothing. So do we have the unique place? We can't even find a place that would match the requirements. My sense of the maths suggest it will not change.

We don't know much about the rest of the universe. Our abilities to see distant planets are very, very limited. It's a bit too soon (like, maybe 10,000 years too soon - wild guess) to rule out any possibility of life as we know it elsewhere.

barfo

 

[dviss1]

You sign a contract when hired. You agree to provide services for money. Money is your master. You cant live without your master.

Remember when master took your kids obamacare? You protested, but master said no. And you kept on workin.

We all serve something. Today's popular god is money, i think self is a close second, maybe even more prevalent.

My son's needs are my master. The "contract" I signed with my employer can be broken at any time. I don't have to adhere to it.

 

[barfo]

Can you imagine the friggin noise this place emits? I mean even I throw a noise stream out into space that could be heard if there were and ear.
Together, we must be a very bad neighbor, maybe like some you know on a given Friday night. So why can we not detect one even quite neighbor, with all the ears we possess?

Logic suggest we are it, for this cycle. But there could be a twin, in the next.

Yes, one possibility is that we are such bad neighbors that others feel the need to cloak themselves to avoid additional contact.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Our abilities to see distant planets are very, very limited.

Well I understand this. But we can hear all the way back to the big bang. We hear no one quite, let alone as noisy as us.