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BlazerBeav said:
Oden looked great once again - too bad we went away from him in the second half. We have to keep pounding teams inside now that we have such a huge weapon on the offensive end!

Outlaw and Roy, however, both looked pretty off.
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Outlaw had 10 points on 50% FG and 4 rebounds in 19 minutes. :dunno:
 
PapaG said:
Outlaw had 10 points on 50% FG and 4 rebounds in 19 minutes. :dunno:
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End of the 3rd

02:41 Outlaw Turnover : Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal:Dudley (3 ST)
01:52 Outlaw 3pt Shot: Missed
01:07 Outlaw Jump Shot: Missed Block: Clark (1 BLK)
00:29.8 Outlaw Jump Shot: Missed Block: Clark (2 BLK)

start of the 4th

11:51 Outlaw Turnover : Lost Ball (2 TO) Steal:Clark (1 ST)
10:34 Outlaw Turnover : Bad Pass (3 TO)
09:55 Outlaw 3pt Shot: Missed
 
Outlaw and Roy were horrible tonight. I'm not too concerned though since it's preseason. Greg and LaMarcus both looked good and the Suns shot the lights out. Miller looks okay, but I think he still needs to do some work to get in shape.
 
Outlaw pretty much sucked it up tonight when I saw him keep going up for dumb jumpers and then get blocked so many times I was pretty convinced he was either getting traded or just not resigned because he was playing attrocious out there.

On a side note the best part of the game was when frye was gaurding oden and right before the inbound pass he squeezed fryes nipple. I was dying for a good 5 minutes and so was frye haha
 
I guess the thing I enjoyed the most was seeing Frye suck for another team. The guy is TERRIBLE!
 
cdub503 said:
Outlaw pretty much sucked it up tonight when I saw him keep going up for dumb jumpers and then get blocked so many times I was pretty convinced he was either getting traded or just not resigned because he was playing attrocious out there.

On a side note the best part of the game was when frye was gaurding oden and right before the inbound pass he squeezed fryes nipple. I was dying for a good 5 minutes and so was frye haha
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now THAT is good stuff! :biglaugh:
 
It's possible that we may have to get used to the idea of a slow start to our season. It appears it's going to take some time to determine who works best with whom and who should be getting more minutes etc. And it's probably best if they do take their time figuring it out and get it right.

Also it seems like while they are doing that, Batum's development into a more assertive offensive player is being ignored. I understand Nate thinks he needs some rest, but I think he needs to start working more minutes with whatever unit he will be playing with; he needs to build some confidence that his new moves can work with this team.
 
Mediocre Man said:
End of the 3rd

02:41 Outlaw Turnover : Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal:Dudley (3 ST)
01:52 Outlaw 3pt Shot: Missed
01:07 Outlaw Jump Shot: Missed Block: Clark (1 BLK)
00:29.8 Outlaw Jump Shot: Missed Block: Clark (2 BLK)

start of the 4th

11:51 Outlaw Turnover : Lost Ball (2 TO) Steal:Clark (1 ST)
10:34 Outlaw Turnover : Bad Pass (3 TO)
09:55 Outlaw 3pt Shot: Missed
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Great. There are Outlaw's 4/5 misses. Where are his 5 makes?

Plus, Outlaw had a higher +/- than Webster.
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
It's possible that we may have to get used to the idea of a slow start to our season. It appears it's going to take some time to determine who works best with whom and who should be getting more minutes etc. And it's probably best if they do take their time figuring it out and get it right.

Also it seems like while they are doing that, Batum's development into a more assertive offensive player is being ignored. I understand Nate thinks he needs some rest, but I think he needs to start working more minutes with whatever unit he will be playing with; he needs to build some confidence that his new moves can work with this team.
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How can it not be ignored? Miller is dominating the ball and determining if Roy is "on" or "off" on any given night.

Batum may as well sit on the bench at this point. :pimp:
 
PapaG said:
Great. There are Outlaw's 4/5 misses. Where are his 5 makes?

Plus, Outlaw had a higher +/- than Webster.
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It was also higher than Oden's.


That was a sequence in the second half. All of it was in order, and shows how worthless he is unless he is making shots.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It was also higher than Oden's.


That was a sequence in the second half. All of it was in order, and shows how worthless he is unless he is making shots.
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I don't disagree with this point. Still, Outlaw hit 50% of his shots tonight and went 10/4/1 in 19 minutes while having a +/- lower than the final score. :dunno:
 
PapaG said:
How can it not be ignored? Miller is dominating the ball and determining if Roy is "on" or "off" on any given night.

Batum may as well sit on the bench at this point. :pimp:
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Have you considered that the Blazers are running an inside-out attack (finally!) instead of an iso-high pick and roll offense and that it's going to take time for him to adjust to Greg and LaMarcus with expanded roles and it might not really be much to do with Miller at all?
 
AmirIcon said:
Don't tell Stomp, he'll probably find a way to pin it on Webster again.
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all I'm going on is game stats... do you really want to make the case that Martell had a better night? He enjoyed 15 1/2 minutes of extra PT over Outlaw, scoring all of 5 more points and grabbing 1 more board. What on the stat sheet stands out to you? Travis's 1 more turnover or his one extra blocked shot. Of course this is Martell's traditional time to shine.

Neither stat line stands out to me... Roy and Batum's lines did though. Roy for struggling and Batum for not playing. Oh well, it's just preseason when nothing really matters.

STOMP
 
Nikolokolus said:
Have you considered that the Blazers are running an inside-out attack (finally!) instead of an iso-high pick and roll offense and that it's going to take time for him to adjust to Greg and LaMarcus with expanded roles and it might not really be much to do with Miller at all?
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I've considered it. I've also seen that it, at least in the small sample I've seen, is much less effective than what we saw last season from the Blazers.

They are struggling with the Kings, Clippers, and Suns right now. Teams with no inside game. I have a right to be a little bit concerned if other posters (and PRODUCERS) are already bashing Roy.
 
PapaG said:
That seems like a PG problem, doesn't it? Oden could not be guarded tonight, yet he only gets 10 shots?
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You're 100% correct. In the first half, with Miller, Oden got of his 10 shots. When Blake played with Oden he never looked at him.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You're 100% correct. In the first half, with Miller, Oden got of his 10 shots. When Blake played with Oden he never looked at him.
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That's wrong though. He got 8 shots in the first half. 2 shots in the second. I'd say he played with Miller for equal minutes both halfs.
 
B-Roy said:
That's wrong though. He got 8 shots in the first half. 2 shots in the second. I'd say he played with Miller for equal minutes both halfs.
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I just posted the game summary. I can't find a single assist from Miller to Oden? :dunno:
 
B-Roy said:
That's wrong though. He got 8 shots in the first half. 2 shots in the second. I'd say he played with Miller for equal minutes both halfs.
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Also, the play-by-play on nba.com has zero Oden shots assisted directly by Miller. The guys who got Oden off:

Webster - 3ast
LMA and Roy - 2ast each
Outlaw - 1ast

Neither point guard passed the ball to Oden directly. However, Miller tends to set up to Webster (3 of Miller's assists were to Webster), and Webster had 3 assists to Oden while Miller was in... not causality, but there's probably correlation there.
 
PapaG said:
I've considered it. I've also seen that it, at least in the small sample I've seen, is much less effective than what we saw last season from the Blazers.

They are struggling with the Kings, Clippers, and Suns right now. Teams with no inside game. I have a right to be a little bit concerned if other posters (and PRODUCERS) are already bashing Roy.
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Much less effective? I haven't seen a lot of offensive problems -- Brandon's struggles aside (which frankly could have as much to do with the new offensive sets as taking the whole summer off to rest) -- the real issues still seem to be with defensive execution and on-ball defense. From the sounds of things Nash, Barbosa and Richardson attacked the hell out of our perimeter and the entire Suns roster was draining threes because guys aren't getting out on shooters.

The tale of the preseason for me so far has been turnover problems, leaky transition and pick and roll defense and poor foul shooting by the Blazers, the first and the last are correctable and I'm not too worried about, the latter has been an issue for awhile and is somewhat more concerning, but one would hope that improves as these new lineups get used to playing with one another.

At this point I'm halfway expecting a slow start for the season, and hopefully by November things start gelling on the defensive end of the court and Roy picks up his game and also can blend his talents with the rest of his teammates (and vice versa).
 
Nikolokolus said:
Much less effective? I haven't seen a lot of offensive problems -- Brandon's struggles aside (which frankly could have as much to do with the new offensive sets as taking the whole summer off to rest) -- the real issues still seem to be with defensive execution and on-ball defense. From the sounds of things Nash, Barbosa and Richardson attacked the hell out of our perimeter and the entire Suns roster was draining threes because guys aren't getting out on shooters.

The tale of the preseason for me so far has been turnover problems, leaky transition and pick and roll defense and poor foul shooting by the Blazers, the first and the last are correctable and I'm not too worried about, the latter has been an issue for awhile and is somewhat more concerning, but one would hope that improves as these new lineups get used to playing with one another.

At this point I'm halfway expecting a slow start for the season, and hopefully by November things start gelling on the defensive end of the court and Roy picks up his game and also can blend his talents with the rest of his teammates (and vice versa).
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I posted it earlier, but can somebody find me a Miller-to-Oden assist in tonight's game?

That said, Roy needs to feel comfortable. A young team won 54-games last season, and they added a veteran who has bounced around the league.

I give my Blazer vets the benefit of the doubt over an NBA journeyman like Miller. I do hope he delivers, but at this point, wow, I can't say I'm happy about what I've seen or heard.
 
A few things stood out to me while watching the game.....

Brandon passed the rock a lot of times where he would have put up a shot last year. Maybe he's trying to spread the wealth.

We looked pretty bad at defending the pick n roll! I know it was Nash runnin the PG spot but our rotations and weak side help was non existent!

Greg looked great! Very active on both ends of the court!

Andre looked totally under control at all times and looked like he could take over whenever he wanted to.

Travis looked kinda lost.

I looked like a fucking pimp in my old school Blazer hat!
 
Nate spends so much time on P&R defense and we are as horrid as ever.
 
I haven't read ahe entire thread because I quickly realized it was dominated by two posters, one of which argues frequently with a lot of people and is never wrong. However, it appears the issues being discussed tonight have to deal with Oden, Roy, Miller, and Outlaw. Since I was at the game, I'll provide my thoughts with what I saw, tonight.

Oden: He had a nice game. Finished around the rim, stayed out of foul trouble, and cleaned up the glass. Didn't show near as many offensive moves (if any) as he did against Sacramento. The team didn't go to him at all in the 4th quarter, at least that I can think of.

Roy: Was so-so tonight, for Roy. He doesn't appear to be in rhythm on either end. I noticed two specific instances on defense where he was late rotating on the weakside during pick and roll defense, giving up a wide open dunk. I can only assume it was Roy's fault based on the way they play pick and roll defense when he is on the strong side or off the court all together.

Outlaw: Typical Outlaw. Made some tough shots that some would consider bad shot selection and others would say show how talented he is. He also made some mental errors dribbling, passing, and on defense. If you didn't like Outlaw going into the game, you wouldn't like him anymore leaving the MC tonight.

Miller: Clearly is becoming a lightening-rod around here. He was no better (or worse) than Blake when it came to slowing down Nash; both failed miserably. I'm not sure how many assists he had, but I'm certain he setup a lot of baskets. Miller seemed to have a few "hockey assists" where he passed to someone who quickly passed to Greg or LMA for an easy bucket. Those things don't show up on the box score, but they have major value in my book. Miller is very crafty and knows how to score.
 
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