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Suns were owned by the Mavs with both Nash and Shaq playing.

So . . . this Nash idea . . . Suns could be a team that misses out on the playoffs . . . by trade deadline Suns realize this . . . they want to rebulid around their tempomental superstar Amare . . . they want young players, draft picks and cap room . . . ready:

Would you trade for Nash for a nice package of young players (Outlaw, Bayless, Blake Raef, Pick) . . . . . . and you had to take Shaq and his contract with Nash? :devilwink:
 
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Who picked the Suns not making the playoffs??? Me! Thats who! :ghoti:
 
I wouldn't touch Shaw with a 30 foot bank shot at the end of a third quarter.
 
No freakin way. Nash is an over rated bogus MVP. Bayless will be better in 2 years for a lot longer then Canada dry.
 
Who picked the Suns not making the playoffs??? Me! Thats who! :ghoti:

What do you think outsider. Lopsided?

Amare and Shaq clearly don't mix well, Nash is getting old and banged up . . . Blazers have a lot of youth that will get Amare off (he will finally be top dog). :dunno:
 
Nash doesn't look nearly as good in a slower tempo.

If there is any player on the roster to go after it's Amar'e.
 
No freakin way. Nash is an over rated bogus MVP. Bayless will be better in 2 years for a lot longer then Canada dry.

Nash still has game . . . he is basically a Steve Blake upgrade x3, and can run the break.
 
Nash doesn't look nearly as good in a slower tempo.

If there is any player on the roster to go after it's Amar'e.

Just this year, Nash is shooting 51%, averaging 8 asst a game, shooting 43% from three . . . and is just a gamey vet (gamey is a word right?)

Nash is exactly what this team needs for the next couple of years.
 
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In Dallas he was a 17/7 player. Solid, but not the D'Antoni version. Declining is just around the bend.
 
What do you think outsider. Lopsided?

Amare and Shaq clearly don't mix well, Nash is getting old and banged up . . . Blazers have a lot of youth that will get Amare off (he will finally be top dog). :dunno:

I just dont see why the Blazers would want Nash. I would think KP is more patient than most of you guys. IMO he would realize that by the time all your core players progressed a couple years so the can truly make an impact, Nash would be even slower and possibly on the verge of retiring.

You need to figure out how to get a decent young/middle aged PG.
 
I just dont see why the Blazers would want Nash. I would think KP is more patient than most of you guys. IMO he would realize that by the time all your core players progressed a couple years so the can truly make an impact, Nash would be even slower and possibly on the verge of retiring.

You need to figure out how to get a decent young/middle aged PG.

Because the Blazers are gunning to take down the Lakers this year!

I'm only thinking of Nash for a couple of years, after that maybe sergio at 24 has developed, Blazers have a prospect in Europe.

I would like a Harris or Calderon, but Nash would be a significant upgrade at PG and the natives on the bench will get restless.

Well anyways I'm done with this crazy idea . . . thanks for the response.
 
So Rizzle, I'm curious...

As a L*ker fan, if by some miracle we got Nash for something like Outlaw/Bayless/RLEC, would that make us more dangerous or less dangerous to you and your team? Do you think it "mortgages our future" for a couple years of Nash? Do you think that his porous D would overwhelm the upgrades he may make on offense? Would he, iyo, contradict what Roy does?
 
Nash still has game . . . he is basically a Steve Blake upgrade x3, and can run the break.

Yes, he is better than Blake. Compare better than Blake and your offer for Nash and let me know if we should pull the trigger on it?

Were you just listing our players? Blake,Outlaw, Bayless, Raef's contract and a pick are you kidding?
 
sorry, when I started writing that it was post #3....see that it's been basically answered.
 
I think it would make you better for two years but not enough to seriously contend. After those two years it would be hurting your team because you could have been developing somebody else who would be there for the long term
 
Nash doesn't look nearly as good in a slower tempo.

If there is any player on the roster to go after it's Amar'e.

I thought Charles Barkley had some interesting observations about Phoenix and the players that D'Antoni's system produces, basically he thinks most of the guys on that team have had their stats inflated over the years. Personally I think Nash is still a pretty good point, and Amare has real talent, but they are starting to show their warts in Terry Porter's style of play.
 
That was dumb.

I think RW was saying that in 2 years time, Bayless would be better for the Blazers than Nash would be, not that Bayless in 2 years will be better than Nash was when he won the MVP's or now.
 
I doubt Suns are going to trade Nash or Shaq. They're going to let both of them expire and then go at it in free agency.

It's be nice if Steve Kerr did a sweetheart deal with John Paxson to send Amare Stoudemire to the Bulls, because there is no way Amare is re-signing there.
 
That was dumb.

OK. How is Nash now? How was he before. Solid #'s but nothing spectacular. Not MVP worthy.

How is Chris Duhon? He has Nash #'s with Mike D’Antoni's system. Should we trade for him? Give me a break with Nash. Has he won anything in his life? (MVP doesn't count, voted by byes media)
 
Just this year, Nash is shooting 51%, averaging 8 asst a game, shooting 43% from three . . . and is just a gamey vet (gamey is a word right?)

Nash is exactly what this team needs for the next couple of years.

Nash is one of the worst defenders in league history and would not fit in on this team at all. Nash has been publicly complaining and whining about Terry Porter's slow, half court system and that is not the kind of leadership the young Blazers need to learn from. He wouldn't fit in this system at all, would cost too much to acquire and will likely retire in a couple years.
 
Nash is one of the worst defenders in league history and would not fit in on this team at all. Nash has been publicly complaining and whining about Terry Porter's slow, half court system and that is not the kind of leadership the young Blazers need to learn from. He wouldn't fit in this system at all, would cost too much to acquire and will likely retire in a couple years.

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Let's talk about what Nash is...the fifth best shooter in league history (basketball-reference.com), and a guy who would be incredible in our offense. I know it's trendy for idiots to say Nash can't work in a team that plays half-court AT ALL. But it's a bunch of crap. It's true that running does inflate stats, but it's also true that if a player has nice court vision in the full court, they'll have it in the half-court too. Phoenix was a great team OFFENSIVELY in the half-court too under Dantoni. They ran a ton of pick n rolls with Amare, and Nash got his teammates a ton of easy buckets in the paint.

We are terrible at getting easy points in the paint, and there's no good reason with Brandon, Lamarcus, and Oden. The reason is Steve Blake, he's simply a bad passer. His best asset is shooting (which is streaky) and Nash is a better shooter. Nash is a bad defender, but not a terrible one (he can pester a lot), and Blake isn't any good either. The benefits we'd grab in easy buckets would be well worth the small amount we'd lose on defense.

Nash is good at feeding bigs (that are willing to move) he's just not that great when all he does is drop it to the post and stand around. Players in a system like that who benefit are the big guy they dump it to and the main cutter (ala Penny, Kobe, Wade) while the other three become spot shooters.

While Nash could get us a ton of easy buckets, he is also such a good shooter that he could be a threat off the ball (w/Roy) and open up space on the court just as blake is doing now. Nash isn't going to want to drive to the hoop forever (he's getting older) and could extend his career playing a little more off ball on a deep team.

When he was playing very well in Phoenix (and Dallas) they were running a ton of pick n roll, this is Nate's favorite play also. We're also creating a lot of running opportunities with our superb defense. If we got Nash Oden and Aldridge's numbers would skyrocket (so long as we continued to rebound as we do now). The fact is our offense now is structured much more like Phoenix's was (w/o running on makes) than Phoenix's current offense is, Nash would do better here than there.

The last fact blazer fans need to understand is that while it's whimsical to want to keep everyone and have them all be happy, a bunch of guys entering their prime want to play and earn contracts. There is not enough room for at least one of Outlaw or Frye and Sergio, Blake, and Frye. No matter if you don't want to trade for spare parts or not, the fact is we already have some (whether we've chosen who they are or not).

I think Phoenix should try to win it all, Kerr wants to hedge his bet to Shaq to make his legacy, rather than go down with a sinking ship he didn't build. I think once the Nets are out of contention back east (they're playing well and still not selling tickets) or get cheap Phoenix should look to grab Carter (and the nets have no use for Nash. VC would fit perfect next to Shaq as the next (hardaway/kobe/wade) along with Amare! That is a contender far better than they are now. This is where we could capitilize:

POR trades: Blake/Bayless/Outlaw/Raef/1st rounder
POR receives: Nash/Swift


NJ trades: Carter/Swift
NJ receives: Raef/Bell/Outlaw/Bayless/POR 1st

PHX trades: Nash/Bell
PHX receives: Carter/Blake

this year
Nash/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Pryzbilla

we're still left with a ton of firepower, and Nash is given a ton of people to feed, while playing a little more passively than the last couple of years. Lamarcus', Frye, Rudy, Webster, Batum and Oden's games would blossom playing w/Nash, while Roy's would take an initial step back, he'd just have to learn to play a little more off the ball (not a ton because nash can shoot too) which he already is and should (playing with good post guys). It's a leap Lebron and Wade have already made, w/much less players that deserve to have the ball around them than Roy. Next year we'd bring in Koponen and Freeland for some added depth/guys to develop and re-sign Frye to say 3 years MLE, and we'd be set for a championship!
 
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Let's talk about what Nash is...the fifth best shooter in league history (basketball-reference.com), and a guy who would be incredible in our offense. I know it's trendy for idiots to say Nash can't work in a team that plays half-court AT ALL. But it's a bunch of crap. It's true that running does inflate stats, but it's also true that if a player has nice court vision in the full court, they'll have it in the half-court too. Phoenix was a great team OFFENSIVELY in the half-court too under Dantoni. They ran a ton of pick n rolls with Amare, and Nash got his teammates a ton of easy buckets in the paint.

We are terrible at getting easy points in the paint, and there's no good reason with Brandon, Lamarcus, and Oden. The reason is Steve Blake, he's simply a bad passer. His best asset is shooting (which is streaky) and Nash is a better shooter. Nash is a bad defender, but not a terrible one (he can pester a lot), and Blake isn't any good either. The benefits we'd grab in easy buckets would be well worth the small amount we'd lose on defense.

Nash is good at feeding bigs (that are willing to move) he's just not that great when all he does is drop it to the post and stand around. Players in a system like that who benefit are the big guy they dump it to and the main cutter (ala Penny, Kobe, Wade) while the other three become spot shooters.

While Nash could get us a ton of easy buckets, he is also such a good shooter that he could be a threat off the ball (w/Roy) and open up space on the court just as blake is doing now. Nash isn't going to want to drive to the hoop forever (he's getting older) and could extend his career playing a little more off ball on a deep team.

When he was playing very well in Phoenix (and Dallas) they were running a ton of pick n roll, this is Nate's favorite play also. We're also creating a lot of running opportunities with our superb defense. If we got Nash Oden and Aldridge's numbers would skyrocket (so long as we continued to rebound as we do now). The fact is our offense now is structured much more like Phoenix's was (w/o running on makes) than Phoenix's current offense is, Nash would do better here than there.

The last fact blazer fans need to understand is that while it's whimsical to want to keep everyone and have them all be happy, a bunch of guys entering their prime want to play and earn contracts. There is not enough room for at least one of Outlaw or Frye and Sergio, Blake, and Frye. No matter if you don't want to trade for spare parts or not, the fact is we already have some (whether we've chosen who they are or not).

I think Phoenix should try to win it all, Kerr wants to hedge his bet to Shaq to make his legacy, rather than go down with a sinking ship he didn't build. I think once the Nets are out of contention back east (they're playing well and still not selling tickets) or get cheap Phoenix should look to grab Carter (and the nets have no use for Nash. VC would fit perfect next to Shaq as the next (hardaway/kobe/wade) along with Amare! That is a contender far better than they are now. This is where we could capitilize:

POR trades: Blake/Bayless/Outlaw/Raef/1st rounder
POR receives: Nash/Swift


NJ trades: Carter/Swift
NJ receives: Raef/Bell/Outlaw/Bayless/POR 1st

PHX trades: Nash/Bell
PHX receives: Carter/Blake

this year
Nash/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Pryzbilla

we're still left with a ton of firepower, and Nash is given a ton of people to feed, while playing a little more passively than the last couple of years. Lamarcus', Frye, Rudy, Webster, Batum and Oden's games would blossom playing w/Nash, while Roy's would take an initial step back, he'd just have to learn to play a little more off the ball (not a ton because nash can shoot too) which he already is and should (playing with good post guys). It's a leap Lebron and Wade have already made, w/much less players that deserve to have the ball around them than Roy. Next year we'd bring in Koponen and Freeland for some added depth/guys to develop and re-sign Frye to say 3 years MLE, and we'd be set for a championship!

so we give up raef/bayless/outlaw/#1 for OLD nash and CRAPPY stromile swift? sign me up!!!
 
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