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illmatic99 said:
This isn't the solution. We need unity, not more separation.

The really disappointing thing (more than the DNC meddling) is the youth turnout yesterday. WTF happened to the supposed engagement? It isn't enough to post memes on reddit--- get your asses to the voting booths.
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The lines were like...really long.
 
Road Ratt said:
I hope your are being sarcastic here. If not, the twist in your logic is clearly escaping you.
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Voter turnout, in my estimation, will determine the result of this election. A vote to abstain will only help the GOP.
 
Indirectly Corona virus and collapse of stock market hurt Sanders. When people feel unsafe they tend to turn to the familiar, less likely to take risks. Could also explain why non white male candidates struggled. People felt more secure when Obama was president, so Democrats had a choice between a woman and a Jewish democratic socialist, while Republicans nominated an ignorant inexperienced white supremacist.

A former VP is a safe choice.
 
illmatic99 said:
Voter turnout, in my estimation, will determine the result of this election. A vote to abstain will only help the GOP.
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Hard to be excited about Biden. Especially with the Bernie Bros being all mad now, we'll see what happens in Nov with turnout, but I think a lot of them are turned off now
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree. We'll see how Biden does, but I suspect he won't pull very many "cross-over Republican" votes. Cross-over votes were a thing a couple of generations ago, but have been vanishing over time. I don't think any current Republicans are looking for a moderate Democrat to support--I think any current disillusioned Republicans just dislike Trump's crassness and overt corruption. They're much more likely to either hold their nose and vote for the home team or else not vote. But Trump is a temporary problem for them.
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I agree with this.
One of the reason I left both parties was because I didn't like how hard line they were on policies & social issue. I approved and disapproved on issues from both sides.
Ive been interested on the libertarian thinking as I'm progressive with social issues but still conservative when it come to budgets and size of Government. I also believe consumers/individuals these days, with instant information and more consumer smarts, can keep in check a healthy capitalist, mix economy, free market system. Competition propels innovation and gives the consumer more options with pricing and good, better, best selections. Some want Volvos and some want lower priced cars. The freedom to not only choose but the motivations to prosper is the American Way.
 
crandc said:
Indirectly Corona virus and collapse of stock market hurt Sanders. When people feel unsafe they tend to turn to the familiar, less likely to take risks. Could also explain why non white male candidates struggled. People felt more secure when Obama was president, so Democrats had a choice between a woman and a Jewish democratic socialist, while Republicans nominated an ignorant inexperienced white supremacist.

A former VP is a safe choice.
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That seems a stretch to me, crandc. Biden was pumped up by the consolidation of the centrist voter through Klobuchar and Buttiegeg shutting down their campaigns. Warren didn't do Bernie the same favor. Also, Bernie's progressive agenda was never going to play well in Southern states.
 
e_blazer said:
That seems a stretch to me, crandc. Biden was pumped up by the consolidation of the centrist voter through Klobuchar and Buttiegeg shutting down their campaigns. Warren didn't do Bernie the same favor. Also, Bernie's progressive agenda was never going to play well in Southern states.
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Only 13% of democrats aged 18-29 voted yesterday.

This is the easiest explanation for why Bernie lost. Warren dropping out and endorsing would have helped a bit, but not nearly as much as people simply showing up.
 
illmatic99 said:
Only 13% of democrats aged 18-29 voted yesterday.

This is the easiest explanation for why Bernie lost. Warren dropping out and endorsing would have helped a bit, but not nearly as much as people simply showing up.
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Older people vote; that's why we rule. Power to the geezers!!
 
illmatic99 said:
Voter turnout, in my estimation, will determine the result of this election. A vote to abstain will only help the GOP.
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Equating not voting to a vote for Trump is simply twisted logic. It's like lumping everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion in one box. Makes no sense at all. So please don't.

Trump's corruption or Biden's corruption, either way Americans are screwed. Biden already betrayed and sold out America alongside Obama.

I won't ever willing vote for either parties corruption.
 
Road Ratt said:
Equating not voting to a vote for Trump is simply twisted logic. It's like lumping everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion in one box. Makes no sense at all. So please don't.

Trump's corruption or Biden's corruption, either way Americans are screwed. Biden already betrayed and sold out America alongside Obama.

I won't ever willing vote for either parties corruption.
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You can't differentiate between the two to identify the lesser of two evils? I fail to see what abstaining will do for you. One of them will still become president.
 
illmatic99 said:
You can't differentiate between the two to identify the lesser of two evils?
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There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils, it is a myth.

illmatic99 said:
I fail to see what abstaining will do for you. One of them will still become president.
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The republican swamp or the democrat swamp. It's still swamp.

Biden will go straight to work for corporations and billionaires, same as Trump is doing now. Every president elected after Jimmy Carter has sold America out to wall street and the elite class.

I won't vote for corruption.
 
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Road Ratt said:
There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils, it is a myth.
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That doesn't seem true. Are you saying there's no difference between Hitler (the actual Adolf Hitler, this isn't my nickname for Trump) and Joe Biden?

It's fine to say "both parties suck," but it's not factually correct to say both parties are the same. They are different on a host of things, like acceptance of gay rights, abortion, access to health care, etc. One issue I had with Bernie Sanders fans in 2016 is that they basically boiled down "liberalism" to "opposing the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement," as if racial issues, LGBT+ issues, women's issues, social safety net issues, etc, didn't exist.

Not that I think you are necessarily a "liberal" or care about liberalism, but the two parties aren't the same even if they both have similar aspects of hypocrisy or dependence on corporate largesse at times. It strikes me as unlikely that neither party aligns better with you on ANY subject, sans Sanders. But maybe that's the case.

I prefer Sanders to Biden, but I much prefer Biden to Trump. Not because I think Biden doesn't have any concerning aspects, but because he's more likely to be on the right side of social issues and issues that help the poor and middle class. Not as good as Sanders on many of them, but as much Congress would allow either Biden or Sanders to actually do.
 
Road Ratt said:
There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils, it is a myth.

Biden will go straight to work for corporations and billionaires, same as Trump is doing now. Every president elected after Jimmy Carter has sold America out to wall street and the elite class.
I won't vote for corruption.
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C'mon...you don't see any difference between Biden and Trump?
 
Deep breath, here I go...

VanillaGorilla said:
No thanks. Biden represents corporations, billionaires, and the stranglehold they have on the Democratic establishment and American politics as a whole.
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This is ridiculous. I'm not trying to be a dick here, it's nothing against you in particular (won't be the last time I say that in this post), but you sound like some hippie from the 70's. Damn the man, damn the establishment, dude. It's telling that the "passionate" Bernie supporters are vastly younger people. People who don't yet have a good grasp of the world. Who are still in college, naive, full of silly ideas and cum.

Biden represents common sense, someone able to compromise (and NO, that's not a bad word in politics), moderates (who are most of the country BTW), people who would rather have a country come together instead of another four years with a president who's so far on one side of the spectrum that he alienates the vast majority of the population, and lastly and certainly not least, he represents someone who can actually beat Trump.

That last point alone should make you support him. Sanders I think has no shot of that if he ends up being the candidate. You saw it last night- his "passionate" supporters are loud but they're not a huge portion of the voters. His "passionate" supporters also didn't seem to be that passionate at the end of the day. Older voters, suburbia, and black voters proved to be much broader and much more passionate for Joe. As soon as they saw that someone who could actually beat Trump in the general election, and someone who's politics they could actually tolerate, had a shot in the primary they flocked to the polls. The results speak for themselves.

Hopefully for the sake of the country this momentum continues. Or it's four more years of orange.

illmatic99 said:
This isn't the solution. We need unity, not more separation.
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Then how, in the name of all that is holy, are you a Sanders fan? Unbelievable how you think he'd bring unity to the country. I'm not trying to be a dick (maybe I'm failing at that), I have nothing against you, but really, I'm actually stunned a single person on earth believes that his radical ideas would unify a single, solitary thing. But I'm glad you're being pragmatic about whoever were to win the primary, unlike -

Road Ratt said:
There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils, it is a myth.

The republican swamp or the democrat swamp. It's still swamp.

Biden will go straight to work for corporations and billionaires, same as Trump is doing now. Every president elected after Jimmy Carter has sold America out to wall street and the elite class.

I won't vote for corruption.
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Who I'm not even going to bother with. Definitely trying to be a dick here.
 
noknobs said:
Then how, in the name of all that is holy, are you a Sanders fan? Unbelievable how you think he'd bring unity to the country. I'm not trying to be a dick (maybe I'm failing at that), I have nothing against you, but really, I'm actually stunned a single person on earth believes that his radical ideas would unify a single, solitary thing. But I'm glad you're being pragmatic about whoever were to win the primary, unlike -
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I was thinking he could facilitate change. Clearly this was misguided because his base wasn't nearly as motivated as we were all led to believe. Regardless, I bought what he sold about universal healthcare, immigration reform, free education, etc. Also enjoyed him as a leader who stayed true to his beliefs and never wavered for decades. Those were the tenets that drew me to him, moreso than his anti-establishment stuff.

I'm hoping people will realize that there are more similarities to Bernie and Biden for their policies than they think. Abstaining from voting in this election is dangerous.
 
illmatic99 said:
Hold on, you think Trump is charismatic? There are some very good politicians out there. Bernie is terrific, save for his label of socialist which I wish he hadn't so explicitly embraced. A ton of the House members on the impeachment trials were awesome. Eric Swalwell and Patrick Maloney were really good. Schiff was too. And I think Cory Booker dropped out too quickly. There are potential candidates to save this party, but they clearly didn't have the resources or internal support to pursue the presidency.[/QUOTE
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Minstrel said:
That doesn't seem true.
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I am saying that the lesser of two evils literally isn't true.

In my opinion, splitting hairs between two evils doesn't prove the point.

Minstrel said:
It's fine to say "both parties suck," but it's not factually correct to say both parties are the same.
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I am not saying that both parties suck. I am saying both parties are corrupt as f*ck... and that is fact. Both the republicans and democrats literally work for corporations over Americans. The corporatization of our planet is destroying it.

(Sorry for the language, but it was the only thing that fit that sentence)

Minstrel said:
I prefer Sanders to Biden, but I much prefer Biden to Trump.
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And that is fine for you, as well as anyone else who shares the same opinion.

I see the corruption in both parties. I can't vote for corruption, never will. I don't like the corporation of America.

Edit: (Not really, just adding on a thought.)

I was diagnosed with aspergers 5 1/2 years ago. I went online to learn all about it. Along the way I found out the truth about both the democrats and republicans and how they have been screwing over America for 40 years now. Before then I used to side more with democrats views, though I do agree with republicans on several issues and have never identified as either party. Nowadays I only fight to remove the swamp in congress, from both parties.
 
Road Ratt said:
I am saying that the lesser of two evils literally isn't true.

In my opinion, splitting hairs between two evils doesn't prove the point.



I am not saying that both parties suck. I am saying both parties are corrupt as f*ck... and that is fact. Both the republicans and democrats literally work for corporations over Americans. The corporatization of our planet is destroying it.

(Sorry for the language, but it was the only thing that fit that sentence)



And that is fine for you, as well as anyone else who shares the same opinion.

I see the corruption in both parties. I can't vote for corruption, never will. I don't like the corporation of America.

Edit: (Not really, just adding on a thought.)

I was diagnosed with aspergers 5 1/2 years ago. I went online to learn all about it. Along the way I found out the truth about both the democrats and republicans and how they have been screwing over America for 40 years now. Before then I used to side more with democrats views, though I do agree with republicans on several issues and have never identified as either party. Nowadays I only fight to remove the swamp in congress, from both parties.
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I'm with you on that!
 
Road Ratt said:
I am saying that the lesser of two evils literally isn't true.
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I would encourage you to look up the definition of "lesser" followed quickly by "literally".

At least in your profile you put your location as a "fruitloop daydream"
 
noknobs said:
I would encourage you to look up the definition of "lesser" followed quickly by "literally".

At least in your profile you put your location as a "fruitloop daydream"
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It makes sense if you see Good and Evil as Binary rather than on a scale.
 
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