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TorturedBlazerFan said:
It makes sense if you see Good and Evil as Binary rather than on a scale.
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That's the problem with politics in the country right now, everything is binary. My way or no way. Your team vs. my team. The world is not binary.
 
noknobs said:
Biden represents common sense, someone able to compromise (and NO, that's not a bad word in politics), moderates (who are most of the country BTW), people who would rather have a country come together instead of another four years with a president who's so far on one side of the spectrum that he alienates the vast majority of the population, and lastly and certainly not least, he represents someone who can actually beat Trump.
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Are we sure about this? Trump is going to lie his ass off during every debate and talk circles around Joe. While most of us can see through the deception, a lot of people will not. And as we are seeing in this thread, I'm afraid of voter apathy and complacency because of his moderate stance. For all the talk about Bernie's age, Joe actually very much looks/talks/acts like he's 77, while Bernie doesn't.
 
illmatic99 said:
Are we sure about this? Trump is going to lie his ass off during every debate and talk circles around Joe. While most of us can see through the deception, a lot of people will not. And as we are seeing in this thread, I'm afraid of voter apathy and complacency because of his moderate stance. For all the talk about Bernie's age, Joe actually very much looks/talks/acts like he's 77, while Bernie doesn't.
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I was about to suggest you look up the definition for "can" but then I'd definitely be a dick :)
 
noknobs said:
I was about to suggest you look up the definition for "can" but then I'd definitely be a dick :)
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I think it's a legit question. Honestly would have preferred Pete to Joe only because he wouldn't get rattled.
 
noknobs "Biden represents common sense, someone able to compromise (and NO, that's not a bad word in politics), moderates (who are most of the country BTW), people who would rather have a country come together instead of another four years with a president who's so far on one side of the spectrum that he alienates the vast majority of the population, and lastly and certainly not least, he represents someone who can actually beat Trump".

Reasonable thinking, I think since he's a bit old school in a reaching across the isle way, it makes total since now at this point in time.
 
So who will Biden pick as VP? Klobuchar has to be leader in the clubhouse, right?
 
illmatic99 said:
For all the talk about Bernie's age, Joe actually very much looks/talks/acts like he's 77, while Bernie doesn't.
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It's true. Bernie looks/talks/acts like hes 85.

barfo
 
Stevenson said:
That's my thinking too. She's smart, funny, sharp, female, midwest.
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It’s either gonna be her or Kamala Harris.

Bernie is probably looking at Tulsi, or one of the squad+Stacey Abrams.
 
That said, Joe may have to go left. Stacy Abrams? OK! Warren? Oy vey!
 
noknobs said:
I would encourage you to look up the definition of "lesser" followed quickly by "literally".

At least in your profile you put your location as a "fruitloop daydream"
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I would encourage you to learn not to jump up people's butts for no apparent reason. I did nothing to you at all. If you got a problem with my post, tear it apart if you are able to, don't try to tear me down at all because you don't like what I have to say... period.
 
The reason those other candidates withdrew and supported Biden was that Biden was winning African American voters and they were not.
Klobuchar might want the VP but I am convinced Dems won't run an all white ticket. Kamala Harris, Stacy Abrams, Julian Castro, Val Deming maybe.
 
Road Ratt said:
I would encourage you to learn not to jump up people's butts for no apparent reason. I did nothing to you at all. If you got a problem with my post, tear it apart if you are able to, don't try to tear me down at all because you don't like what I have to say... period.
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There was an apparent reason, that much is obvious. I was replying to what you wrote. And you wrote your location, not me.. period.
 
Road Ratt said:
I am saying that the lesser of two evils literally isn't true.

In my opinion, splitting hairs between two evils doesn't prove the point.
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I think that ascribing a literal "evil" to a fairly normal person like Joe Biden completely waters down the word to the point of uselessness. Usually when people talk of the "lesser of two evils" they don't mean evil literally, they mean the better of two sub-optimal choices.

Acting like "evil" is a single concept that links a mass murderer, Joe Biden, a rude delivery person and anyone else who has any flaws at all is really weird. Biden isn't evil, he's just a more centrist politician who tilts less towards socialism than Sanders.
 
I almost feel sorry for @MARIS61 when the moronic one is trounced like roadkill. The Republicans of this era, who empowered this Russian dupe, this pathological liar, this vile, unconstitutional, law breaking, enemy of the people. Today's GOP will be a laughing stock in history.
 
crandc said:
The reason those other candidates withdrew and supported Biden was that Biden was winning African American voters and they were not.
Klobuchar might want the VP but I am convinced Dems won't run an all white ticket. Kamala Harris, Stacy Abrams, Julian Castro, Val Deming maybe.
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I think you are correct. Also, Amy wouldn't bring all that much support that Joe can't get on his own.

barfo
 
Stevenson said:
I almost feel sorry for @MARIS61 when the moronic one is trounced like roadkill. The Republicans of this era, who empowered this Russian dupe, this pathological liar, this vile, unconstitutional, law breaking, enemy of the people. Today's GOP will be a laughing stock in history.
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Do you seriously believe Biden/Bernie will trounce the God Emperor?
 
Couldn't be any more of a laughing stock than the dems are right now. What a clusterfuck.
 
barfo said:
It's true. Bernie looks/talks/acts like hes 85.

barfo
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He wasn't the one that confused his wife for his sister last night. Then again, that might have been deliberate by Bernie to appeal to another kind of viewer.
 
Minstrel said:
I think that ascribing a literal "evil" to a fairly normal person like Joe Biden completely waters down the word to the point of uselessness. Usually when people talk of the "lesser of two evils" they don't mean evil literally, they mean the better of two sub-optimal choices.
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Joe Biden isn't a fairly normal person. You may see him that way, but that isn't the case. His voting record shows him to be a corporate/establishment shill. He voted for Nafta, the Iraq war, the list goes on and on. Biden and Obama didn't do jack for America. Ronald Reagan took America off of the New Deal and put us on trickle down. Bill Clinton knew Nafta was no good for America yet he signed it anyway even though it was a bill that was passed to him by Bush Sr's administration. Bill Clinton didn't take America off of trickle down, neither did Obama. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. During Obama's administration we found out that billionaires are hiding their money in offshore tax shelters, Obama didn't go after that money, neither will Trump. I could go on and on all day long showing how both parties work for the elite class over the rest of us Americans. So I see so little in difference in their policies that makes me see the two parties any differently. Both parties have no morals left. I can't split hairs any further than that. :tongue:
 
Road Ratt said:
I could go on and on all day long showing how both parties work for the elite class over the rest of us Americans. So I see so little in difference in their policies that makes me see the two parties any differently. Both parties have no morals left. I can't split hairs any further than that. :tongue:
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So, if I'm understanding you right, the only issue you care about is corruption, which is defined as how well protected the interests of corporations are? Issues like racial injustice, LGBT rights, health care access, etc, aren't relevant at all?

Though, even if that is the one and only thing you grade on, there are still differences between the parties. While both have certainly protected corporate interests to some extent, Democrats have been the party more interested in campaign finance reform to reduce the effect of money in elections, the ones who protested and have tried to reverse the Supreme Court decision to designate corporations as "people," the ones who have tried to push through regulations on Wall Street. That hardly makes them pristine and without sin, but they still do more for the one thing you care about than Republicans. Saying "I don't care about better if it's not perfect" gets you even less of what you want.
 
Minstrel said:
So, if I'm understanding you right, the only issue you care about is corruption, which is defined as how well protected the interests of corporations are?
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Of course their are subtle differences between the two parties, I am not arguing that. I don't see any difference between one parties swamp selling out America over the other parties swamp selling us out.

It is not the only issue I care about, but corruption is the only one that really matters. You can't deal with the rest of America's problems as corrupt as our two parties are, plain and simple.

Minstrel said:
Issues like racial injustice, LGBT rights, health care access, etc, aren't relevant at all?
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They never came up until now. They are relevant but not nearly so as the corruption in our American politics is. Our democracy is being attacked by both parties. I see that as the biggest threat to our freedom than anything other issue.

Minstrel said:
Though, even if that is the one and only thing you grade on, there are still differences between the parties. While both have certainly protected corporate interests to some extent, Democrats have been the party more interested in campaign finance reform to reduce the effect of money in elections, the ones who protested and have tried to reverse the Supreme Court decision to designate corporations as "people," the ones who have tried to push through regulations on Wall Street. That hardly makes them pristine and without sin, but they still do more for the one thing you care about than Republicans. Saying "I don't care about better if it's not perfect" gets you even less of what you want.
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So you agree they are corrupt? It is not to some extent, it is to the corporations/billionaires benefit over the benefit of the rest of Americans. Personally, I don't think that austerity looks good on America.



Here is a sample of our corrupt system. For anyone who doesn't see it yet, or just wants to learn more.



I know, I see things very differently to other people.
 
Road Ratt said:
So you agree they are corrupt?
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If that's your definition of "corrupt," then yes.

It is not to some extent, it is to the corporations/billionaires benefit over the benefit of the rest of Americans.
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The point is, one of the parties does try to put some restrictions on the power of corporations, in the form of regulations. One of the parties is "less corrupt." What's the point in ignoring that? If you ignore one of the parties being less of what you consider evil, then you're not creating any incentive to move in that direction.
 
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