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Texas is neck and neck, honestly shocked bolshevik Bernie isn’t running away with it.
 
Nothing was "stacked." The Democratic party acts as organized parties always act--trying to clear the field and promote the candidate they think gives them the best chance for success. Let's not pretend that anything that works against Sanders is shady or sinister. I like Sanders more than I like Biden and was hoping he'd win the nomination, once it was clear my first (two) choices weren't going to get there--but nothing that's happening right now is "unfair play." Biden had a huge bounce-back in South Carolina, the Democratic establishment decided he really was their best hope among the moderates (and they obviously believe a moderate has a better chance of winning, which isn't clearly wrong nor is it clearly correct) so they worked to clear his competition, This is what every party does every election cycle in which they're not running an incumbent. It didn't start with Bernie.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Texas is neck and neck, honestly shocked bolshevik Bernie isn’t running away with it.
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Texas was always expected to be close. They each have strengths in the state--Biden among black voters and more conservative white Democrats, Sanders among Latinos, younger voters and white Democrats without a college degree.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Stacked at the last minute. Everyone dropped out to support Biden, except Warren who probably stayed to take Bernie votes away.

Coordinated effort. The DNC won't allow Bernie to be the nominee.
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Mini-Mike stole 140 delegates from Biden at a cost of $5,000,000 per delegate, so there's that.

Here's a swan song for that unlikable, fascist runt.

 
Minstrel said:
Nothing was "stacked." The Democratic party acts as organized parties always act--trying to clear the field and promote the candidate they think gives them the best chance for success. Let's not pretend that anything that works against Sanders is shady or sinister. I like Sanders more than I like Biden and was hoping he'd win the nomination, once it was clear my first (two) choices weren't going to get there--but nothing that's happening right now is "unfair play." Biden had a huge bounce-back in South Carolina, the Democratic establishment decided he really was their best hope among the moderates (and they obviously believe a moderate has a better chance of winning, which isn't clearly wrong nor is it clearly correct) so they worked to clear his competition, This is what every party does every election cycle in which they're not running an incumbent. It didn't start with Bernie.
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See this may be a surprise to you, but we do actually agree on some things! :chestbump:
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Stacked at the last minute. Everyone dropped out to support Biden, except Warren who probably stayed to take Bernie votes away.

Coordinated effort. The DNC won't allow Bernie to be the nominee.
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I'm skeptical about Warren's motives as well, but the other politicians are just politicking. I have no doubt the DNC heads don't want Bernie as the nominee, but the only bullshit thing they've done so far is changing the debate rules so Bloomberg could attend.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Riots when Bernie gets screwed out of the nomination.

Riots when Trump wins reelection.
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You just want riots.

Have you thought about joining Riot Club? The first rule of Riot Club, you know...

barfo
 
Remember when EW took a hard no stance on SuperPacs.
Remember when EW backtracked on that stance and took a SuperPac?
CNN says they've confirmed that the SuperPac which spent millions pre super-Tuesday on ads. Will not spend a dime on EW for the next contests.

Pretty easy to read between the lines there.
Is there a career politician with worse political instincts than EW?
But hey I'm a white college educated male. I'm sure I just mansplained something.
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My question to the moderate democrats.
What does Biden offer than Hillary didn't?
Hillary tried to align herself as closely as she possibly could to Obama. How'd that work for her?
How is the same strategy going to work for Biden?

Terry Stotts became a better coach after he got completely shit on by Alvin Gentry. Simply because he didn't try to repeat the same shit over and over again.
Lillard became a better player after that series as he started to watch more film.
The DNC has learned nothing. Moderates have learned nothing.
Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate who could unite the democratic party. Hillary and possibly now Biden won't accomplish what Obama did.
Would Sanders? Who knows. But it's something different and not repeating the same mistakes made in 2016 with Clinton.
 
H.C. said:
Is there a career politician with worse political instincts than EW?
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Yes. I'd suggest Jeff Sessions, for instance. Warren has made some big mistakes, but has also made some smart moves.

Terry Stotts became a better coach after he got completely shit on by Alvin Gentry. Simply because he didn't try to repeat the same shit over and over again.
Lillard became a better player after that series as he started to watch more film.
The DNC has learned nothing. Moderates have learned nothing.
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Bernie lost last time, and it seems he hasn't changed his campaign at all. So would you say he hasn't learned anything either?

Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate who could unite the democratic party. Hillary and possibly now Biden won't accomplish what Obama did.
Would Sanders? Who knows. But it's something different and not repeating the same mistakes made in 2016 with Clinton.
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Well, you don't have to convince me, moderates, or the DNC. You need to convince Bernie's base to actually vote in larger numbers.

If he was able to bring out the young and other low-propensity voters like he claimed, he would have won more tonight.

barfo
 
Biden gonna come out looking like LL Cool J tomorrow morning lol
 
barfo said:
Well, you don't have to convince me, moderates, or the DNC. You need to convince Bernie's base to actually vote in larger numbers.
If he was able to bring out the young and other low-propensity voters like he claimed, he would have won more tonight.

barfo
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Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders' losses

. They turn out in throngs at his rallies. And they form the core of his grassroots efforts to win the Democratic presidential nomination.

But their fiery passion did not translate into the robust turnout he needed on Super Tuesday to win a number of key states, notably in the South where a strong showing by former Vice President Joe Biden has made the nomination contest a two-man race.

Exit polls for five southern states that Biden won – Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia – found that young voters did not show up at the polls in the numbers they did in 2016.

In addition, the Vermont senator has been grabbing a smaller share of them in most cases.

  • In Alabama, only 7% of the voters were in the 17-29 range compared to 14% in 2016. Sanders won six of every 10 of those voters Tuesday compared to four of 10 in 2016.
  • In North Carolina, 13% of Tuesday’s electorate were young voters, compared to 16% four years ago. Of those, 57% went for Sanders in 2020 compared to 69% in 2016.
  • In South Carolina, young voters made up 11% of the electorate Tuesday compared to 15% in 2016. Sanders won 43% of those voters Tuesday compared to 54% four years ago.
Joe Biden sweeps the south on Super Tuesday, building on South Carolina win

  • In Tennessee, 11% of those voters showed up Tuesday versus 15% in 2016. Sanders did better among that group Tuesday winning 65% compared to 61% four years ago.
  • In Virginia, young voters comprised 13% of Tuesday’s vote compared to 16% in 2016. Sanders won 57% of those voters Tuesday compared to 69% four years ago.

Sanders’ agenda, which includes erasing college debt and providing health care for all, is popular with young people. But the exit polls indicated those voters were not the line of defense they were in 2016.

Sanders’ rallies feature throngs of college students and 20-somethings cheering him on. In Virginia, Sanders held three rallies last week that featured thousands of energized supporters at each stop. On Tuesday, Biden clobbered Sanders in Virginia by winning by 30 percentage points.

Sanders sounded undeterred Tuesday as he promised to keep marching toward the nomination.

"We are going to defeat Trump because we are putting together an unprecedented grass-roots multi-generational, multi-racial movement," he told supporters at a rally in Vermont.



The lackluster showing is sure to fire up the long-standing assessments of election experts who say young voters’ energy rarely matches their turnout on Election Day. It also undercuts Sanders’ argument that he is best suited to defeat President Donald Trump in November.

Sanders would need an extraordinary turnout among young voters to make up for the loss of moderates who would stay away from the polls if he’s the nominee, according to a study by political scientists David Broockman of the University of California-Berkeley and Joshua Kalla of Yale University, who surveyed some 40,000 voters to assess the electability of the Democratic contenders.

Sanders would need an increase of 11 percentage points among voters between 18 and 29 to offset the loss of swing voters, the study concluded.

But Griffin Schutte, 21, of Virginia Beach, said he switched from Clinton in 2016 to Sanders this year because he thinks the Vermont senator is best to stand up to Trump.

"And I think Bernie Sanders is well equipped to stand by his ideals and his policies that he’s been standing by during his long and very consistent career in politics," Schutte said as he stood in line for a Sanders rally in Richmond Thursday.
 
Warren is trying to raise certain ideas and push a platform.

Had Klobuchar or Buttigieg shown they could hold their supporters and win black and LatinX voters the "establishment" would have backed them. They couldn't.

Sanders' support is deep but not wide. People who like him really love him but it's still a narrow slice of electorate. To his credit he has expanded support among young LatinX voters but has won with plurality in crowded field. Biden voters are the ones who reliably turn out. Sanders voters frequently don't.
 
H.C. said:
My question to the moderate democrats.
What does Biden offer than Hillary didn't?
Hillary tried to align herself as closely as she possibly could to Obama. How'd that work for her?
How is the same strategy going to work for Biden?
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Minority votes, I would guess. There was about 8% downturn in minority votes between 2012 and 2016 - where minority votes have won Biden the south.

So, if he continues to appeal to minority voters going forward, that's how it is different.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Go Joe, I guess. Reagan waited until after his reelection to show obvious signs of senility, but Joe's ahead of that game! Boy is he going to be surprised if he wins the election when somebody tells him it was for President.....
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"I'd like to introduce my wife and my sister. Errr......wait!"

Hey, it was an honest mistake as they switched sides without him knowing. But, still, it lends to the man's, uhm, charm. :)
 
Lots of talk about EW dropping out to unite progressives, well I suggest Bernard drop out to unite the Democratic Party that Joe Biden is part of and really the one with the best chance at the Presidency. It has come down to Bernards democratic socialism push versus a Democrat that represents a wider segment of the population and balance.
Drop out Bernard!
 
Hoopguru said:
Lots of talk about EW dropping out to unite progressives, well I suggest Bernard drop out to unite the Democratic Party that Joe Biden is part of and really the one with the best chance at the Presidency. It has come down to Bernards democratic socialism push versus a Democrat that represents a wider segment of the population and balance.
Drop out Bernard!
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No thanks. Biden represents corporations, billionaires, and the stranglehold they have on the Democratic establishment and American politics as a whole. He certainly doesn't represent me or most Sanders supporters.
 
If it comes down to Biden and Trump, I will be never Biden never Trump. I won't ever willing vote for corruption.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
No thanks. Biden represents corporations, billionaires, and the stranglehold they have on the Democratic establishment and American politics as a whole. He certainly doesn't represent me or most Sanders supporters.
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So if Joe wins you wont vote for him?
 
Road Ratt said:
If it comes down to Biden and Trump, I will be never Biden never Trump. I won't ever willing vote for corruption.
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I've already resolved to vote minor party regardless. Fortunately, I know that the Oregon electoral votes are already predetermined, so I never have to worry about "throwing away my vote" since I already know it's worthless.
 
ABM said:
"I'd like to introduce my wife and my sister. Errr......wait!"

Hey, it was an honest mistake as they switched sides without him knowing. But, still, it lends to the man's, uhm, charm. :)
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At least, like Trump, he never has said he would like to fuck his daughter
 
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