Surprised there is no thread about this.

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi...ill_only_match_offers_under_$3m_for_sessions/

The Bucks are interested in keeping restricted free-agent point guard Ramon Sessions, but are only willing to match an offer up to $3 million per season.

I am shocked that no one has posted this, along with "KP is an idiot, we could have got Sessions for 3 mil a year, blah blah blah."

 

[Mediocre Man]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi...ill_only_match_offers_under_$3m_for_sessions/



I am shocked that no one has posted this, along with "KP is an idiot, we could have got Sessions for 3 mil a year, blah blah blah."

Because we can't give him that. The Blazers right now have 1.1 million in salary cap room. That number does go up to 3.8 when the season starts, and 7.8 if the team got smart and traded Travis for picks.

 

[ebott]

I'm not. If this was two weeks ago we'd have a dozen threads before the mods could get around to merging. But we've got Miller now. Sessions is basically a less proven version of Miller.

I don't have any info to back this up at all, but the way that Sessions produced last year but hasn't received one serious offer thus far makes me wonder if maybe he's a little bit of a head case. I vaguely remember a KP quote where he said they talked with Sessions but decided he wasn't a good fit for us. Leads me to believe he wouldn't fit into our culture.

 

[hasoos]

They may be enamored with how their draft pick, Jennings has been playing. IMO Sessions was doing pretty damn good for a 2nd round draft pick. But he isn't really worth drooling over either.

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

They may be enamored with how their draft pick, Jennings has been playing. IMO Sessions was doing pretty damn good for a 2nd round draft pick. But he isn't really worth drooling over either.

I like him for 3 mil a year tho! Better than Bayless.

 

[e_blazer]

Because we can't give him that. The Blazers right now have 1.1 million in salary cap room. That number does go up to 3.8 when the season starts, and 7.8 if the team got smart and traded Travis for picks.

Given that OKC is the only team left with enough cap space to take Travis for picks alone, that doesn't give KP much room to "get smart" about Travis.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Given that OKC is the only team left with enough cap space to take Travis for picks alone, that doesn't give KP much room to "get smart" about Travis.

I thought there were a few teams with TPE's? Also, I am pretty sure Memphis is well under the cap still.

 

[Tince]

Sounds like the Bucks actually realize what he's worth. A team that has seen him day and and day out clearly don't think he's some up and coming PG.

Sessions has been severely overrated on this board for the entire off-season.

 

[Wheels]

I thought there were a few teams with TPE's? Also, I am pretty sure Memphis is well under the cap still.

so now you have to convince those teams that Travis is worth either a really high lottery pick, or 2nd round garbage.

 

[RR7]

I thought there were a few teams with TPE's? Also, I am pretty sure Memphis is well under the cap still.

Memphis, OKC, and Sacramento all have the cap space to absorb Outlaw with no problem. The thing is, if we actually wanted to bring in Sessions, I would think it would make much mroe sense to get rid of Blake than it woudl Outlaw. Sessions isn't coming in to play backup SF/PF. It wouldn't really be worth signing him to a deal, and then having him fight for third string minutes with Bayless, while Miller and Blake play ahead of him. Shipping Blake to Memphis as a backup PG would work. Shipping him to OKC as a vet backup PG would work. Sending him to Denver for a TPE as backup PG could work. Miami for their TPE.
That being said, I'm fine with our team as is, and think if we wanted Sessions, we woudl have made a push for him already.

 

[Iwatas]

This is a darn shame. Sessions is potentially an awesome point guard going forward. I strongly preferred him to Miller, and if he could be had for cheap.... shucks.

I doubt it would work to have Sessions/Miller as the two point guards splitting time (they are both starters) - even if we could find someone to take Outlaw/Blake/Bayless so we'd have the room. But one has to wonder... would Milwaukee do a S&T with us to get these players? All three are cheap, and the first two are productive. Bayless has "potential".

iWatas

 

[ucatchtrout]

We could do a sign and trade....and ship Bayless to the Bucks. Bucks are playing hardball with Sessions. They know there really isn't anyone out there with capspace to give Sessions the deal he wants.

 

[barfo]

I wonder how true this report is. The Bucks might want to leak that so that another team makes an offer for only $3.1 million, which they'd then gleefully match.

Or it could be a real leak. Or it could be made up.

barfo

 

[Iwatas]

There is no doubt that a backup PG is more important to this team than is backup 2G (since we have Roy and Rudy there). Bayless is third-string. So I love the S&T Bayless (and Blake?) for Sessions. Might Milwaukee want him?

 

[alex42083]

Sounds like the Bucks actually realize what he's worth. A team that has seen him day and and day out clearly don't think he's some up and coming PG.

Sessions has been severely overrated on this board for the entire off-season.

Agreed. The guy is certainly solid, but not a franchise-changing PG by any means. He just isn't that good.

 

[hasoos]

I like him for 3 mil a year tho! Better than Bayless.

Well I guess that is an opinion. I see having a player in the 3rd string with upside and development potential as being better over the long run than having a guy who adds depth which will make no difference to the team. I guess what I am saying is, not playing = not playing. Whether you are Sessions or Bayless it does not matter. 3rd string guard isn't going to get a lot of time on the floor, so it matters little. All I care about is they play hard when they come in, and don't rock the boat. I am not sure Sessions wouldn't be a little upset about being a bench player. At least I know right now that Bayless has bought in.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Memphis, OKC, and Sacramento all have the cap space to absorb Outlaw with no problem. The thing is, if we actually wanted to bring in Sessions, I would think it would make much mroe sense to get rid of Blake than it woudl Outlaw. Sessions isn't coming in to play backup SF/PF. It wouldn't really be worth signing him to a deal, and then having him fight for third string minutes with Bayless, while Miller and Blake play ahead of him. Shipping Blake to Memphis as a backup PG would work. Shipping him to OKC as a vet backup PG would work. Sending him to Denver for a TPE as backup PG could work. Miami for their TPE.
That being said, I'm fine with our team as is, and think if we wanted Sessions, we woudl have made a push for him already.

I thought there were more teams. Thank you

 

[Mediocre Man]

so now you have to convince those teams that Travis is worth either a really high lottery pick, or 2nd round garbage.

Supposedly, Portland pulled out of a deal with Memphis for a pick when Millsap fell through. I don't think it would be too hard.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Supposedly, Portland pulled out of a deal with Memphis for a pick when Millsap fell through. I don't think it would be too hard.

And we could split Outlaw's minutes between Cunningraph, Penderham, and "Peg-leg" Webster.

You don't like Outlaw...we get it. He is still the 3rd best forward on the team and an important part of the bench.

 

[Iwatas]

Supposedly, Portland pulled out of a deal with Memphis for a pick when Millsap fell through. I don't think it would be too hard.

In that case, this becomes eminently doable, and a super idea. I for one would be thrilled to trade Bayless (who will be miserable this year in PDX), Blake (who is redundant if Sessions comes), and Outlaw (who needs to go anyway for a host of reasons) for Sessions and a pick. It would solve *so* many problems, including getting us our point guard for 2-8 years out, when Miller is gone.

There is no way Portland picks up a player of his caliber so cheaply in the future (this is strange year, because of the economy), and the chances of drafting a PG as good as he is are VERY slim. So if KP is really planning for the future, this is an awesome pickup. And Sessions would not be unhappy; Miller *is* aging, and a long contract would make it clear who our future PG is. He'd have the clear path to being the starting PG on a contender.

iWatas

 

[Iwatas]

Outlaw's minutes are gone anyway - at SF Batum is growing into them as the starter, and Webster/Rudy/Roy take care of the rest.

Cunningham is a PF, as is Pendergraph. I am not thrilled with the backup PF spot, but nobody likes Outlaw there.

iWatas

 

[Mediocre Man]

And we could split Outlaw's minutes between Cunningraph, Penderham, and "Peg-leg" Webster.

You don't like Outlaw...we get it. He is still the 3rd best forward on the team and an important part of the bench.

No, but you could easily split Outlaw's minutes up this way.

Travis played 28 mpg

Give Rudy 5 more minutes
Give Batum 10 more minutes
Give Greg 10 more minutes
Give Joel 3 more minutes

We didn't even have to use any of your cute little nicknamed guys.

Not to mention, Sergio played 15 minutes last year, and Blake played 31. That equals 46 minutes, and I would assume Miller and Blake will play more than that. I would guess 50-55 meaning Rudy or Roy is going to need to get minutes at the 3, so that opens up some minutes for Rudy.


Replacing Outlaw isn't that hard.

 

[Wheels]

No, but you could easily split Outlaw's minutes up this way.

Travis played 28 mpg

Give Rudy 5 more minutes
Give Batum 10 more minutes
Give Greg 10 more minutes
Give Joel 3 more minutes

We didn't even have to use any of your cute little nicknamed guys.

Not to mention, Sergio played 15 minutes last year, and Blake played 31. That equals 46 minutes, and I would assume Miller and Blake will play more than that. I would guess 50-55 meaning Rudy or Roy is going to need to get minutes at the 3, so that opens up some minutes for Rudy.


Replacing Outlaw isn't that hard.

While I agree with most of your comments.. Batum is not ready for near 30 MPG, he still is too much of an offensive liablity. Greg very well could get more minutes, and maybe Joel. but Batum wont be at 28-30

 

[Mediocre Man]

Outlaw's minutes are gone anyway - at SF Batum is growing into them as the starter, and Webster/Rudy/Roy take care of the rest.

Cunningham is a PF, as is Pendergraph. I am not thrilled with the backup PF spot, but nobody likes Outlaw there.

iWatas

If you listen to the team talk, I think you will see a lot of GO at the 4. Durring team USA mini camp, I believe KP said we want to see Greg guard 2 possitions

 

[Mediocre Man]

While I agree with most of your comments.. Batum is not ready for near 30 MPG, he still is too much of an offensive liablity. Greg very well could get more minutes, and maybe Joel. but Batum wont be at 28-30

Why don't you think he's ready?

Rk          Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1    Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 1454 4.0  8.9 .446 1.5 4.2 .369 1.0 1.3 .808 2.1 3.4 5.4 1.8 1.2 1.0 1.2 3.4 10.5
2    Travis Outlaw 2008-09  24 81  6 2246 6.2 13.6 .453 1.4 3.8 .377 2.8 3.9 .723 1.1 4.2 5.3 1.3 0.8 0.9 1.5 2.7 16.6

Using PER36 minute numbers, they are almost identical to Travis' when you take shot attempts in to account, and it was Batum's 1st year, while Travis was a 6 year vet. I just don't see what we lose really.

 

[Wheels]

Why don't you think he's ready?

Rk          Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1    Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 1454 4.0  8.9 .446 1.5 4.2 .369 1.0 1.3 .808 2.1 3.4 5.4 1.8 1.2 1.0 1.2 3.4 10.5
2    Travis Outlaw 2008-09  24 81  6 2246 6.2 13.6 .453 1.4 3.8 .377 2.8 3.9 .723 1.1 4.2 5.3 1.3 0.8 0.9 1.5 2.7 16.6

Using PER36 minute numbers, they are almost identical to Travis' when you take shot attempts in to account, and it was Batum's 1st year, while Travis was a 6 year vet. I just don't see what we lose really.

lol well Outlaw isnt ready either.

 

[Mediocre Man]

lol well Outlaw isnt ready either.

I agree.

That's why it wouldn't hurt us at all to give Batum the same minutes Outlaw had last year.

 

[Wheels]

I agree.

That's why it wouldn't hurt us at all to give Batum the same minutes Outlaw had last year.

well since both arent ready.. to me it comes down to skill set and what the other brings. we lacked a scoring punch IMO with Both Blake and Batum and Joel in the starting 5. someone who can create their own shot. So while Outlaw drives me up the wall about 85% of the time. He provided something we needed. And still do depending on what Webster does.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wonder how true this report is. The Bucks might want to leak that so that another team makes an offer for only $3.1 million, which they'd then gleefully match.

Or it could be a real leak. Or it could be made up.

barfo

That's what I was wondering.... sounds awful fishy.

"Hey guys.... just wanted you all to know, we will NOT match anything over 3 million dollars for Sessions. Nothing over 3 million. So if you wanted to give him, say, 3,000,000.01 dollars..... we wouldn't match. We promise. Cross our heart and hope to die."

 

[Idog1976]

Assuming for a minute this is true. It would seem nuts not to offer an S & T of Bayless/Blake and/or Outlaw for Sessions, Kurt Thomas and future picks. We could throw $3million on our end.

PG Miller/Sessions
SG Roy/Rudy
SF Batum/Roy/Rudy/Webs if back
PF LMA/Thomas/Cunningham
C Oden/Joel/Thomas

That's good depth, and look at the 3 ball % for our PG's! Amazing! Yes, I am fucking kidding about that. Either Sessions can learn to shoot the deep ball or not. Getting in the paint, passing, court vision, running the break and drawing fouls >>>>>>>> 3pt shooting imo. Plus 3pt% is the easiest thing to improve in the game. Pull the trigger KP! Whoever is left of Blake/Bayless/Outlaw can be traded for a backup SF.