Dwight Jaynes vs Mo Williams, the war is on! (1 Viewer)

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yuyuza1 said:
We all bitch at Mo for chucking, but looking at this more rationally, I'd rather Mo shoot than Joel/TRob/etc. He's volatile for sure and he misses open guys way too often, but he brings a change of pace. Kinda stupid to call him out when we're doing so well.
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I only yell at him for chucking when Lillard or Wes or Batum are standing wide open, and he doesn't give them the ball. His habit of taking a 'heat check' every time he makes a single shot is also laughable. And considering his shooting percentage, he probably should wait for a teammate to cross half court before launching a 3 against three defenders. Other than that, and his terrible defense, he's perfect. ;)
 
One thing is sure, as the most polarizing player on the team, Mo is mo money for Denny! ;)
 
BUT i will say.....fuck advanced stats. i dont care if they say were better with him not on the court. (SEE THOMAS ROBINSON)
 
yuyuza1 said:
We all bitch at Mo for chucking, but looking at this more rationally, I'd rather Mo shoot than Joel/TRob/etc. He's volatile for sure and he misses open guys way too often, but he brings a change of pace. Kinda stupid to call him out when we're doing so well.
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His eFG% is only .473, 1.8% better than Joel, and 0.7% better than TRob... and that takes into account that 3's are worth more than 2's. His raw FG% is 40.7%, 1% below Will Barton.
 
Completely F'ing Stupid post as I have defined multiple times in multiple threads exactly why he sucks.

Ha, I Cee your insult and raise you! Don't mess with me or HCP and I will invade your basement to play D & D!

blazerboy30 said:
Dumb post. "Sucks" is a relative term.
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SlyPokerDog said:
And Dwight answered back -

Dwight Jaynes ‏@dwightjaynes
@mowilliams Manu Ginobili, Reggie Jackson, Ramon Sessions, Andre miller, Darren Collison, Jarret Jack, Shaun Livingston, Evans... No mo room
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That list is highly subjective. A couple of the guys are SGs, two are currently starting, one is suspended and not even playing, some play more minutes, several are on really bad teams (which can inflate individual stats), but in spite of people here calling Mo a ball hog, not a single player on that list is averaging more APG than Mo Williams. I'm not saying Mo is better than all of those guys, but it depends on what you need.

Mo Williams:
MPG = 24.2
APG = 4.9

Manu Ginobili:
MPG = 24.1
APG = 4.7

Reggie Jackson:
MPG = 25.9
APG = 3.8

Ramon Sessions:
MPG = 21.9
APG = 2.9

Andre Miller:
MPG = 19.0
APG = 3.3

Darren Collison:
MPG = 20.2
APG = 2.4

Jarrett Jack:
MPG = 28.1
APG = 4.0

Shaun Livingston:
MPG = 23.5
APG = 3.2

Tyreke Evans:
MPG = 25.9
APG = 4.3

Yes, Manu and Evans are better than Mo, but they are really SGs and make way more than Mo. Manu has been one of the best 6th men in the history of the game, makes 3x as much as Mo and will retire a Spur. Evans makes 5x as much as Mo. NOP had to GIVE us Robin Lopez to sign him to that huge contract. And, in spite of being loaded with young talent, NOP are 15-19 and we are 27-9. I'll take Lopez and Mo (and our record) over Tyreke Evans any day. Especially since Lopez and Williams combined make 3/4 as much as Evans.

Dwight is just an old gas bag trying to keep his name relevant. He's stirring up shit for the sake of stirring up shit and Mo is his new target. Considering how little we pay Mo, he's a bargain compared to most of the guys on that list and we're lucky to have him.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
That list is highly subjective. A couple of the guys are SGs, two are currently starting, one is suspended and not even playing, some play more minutes, several are on really bad teams (which can inflate individual stats), but in spite of people here calling Mo a ball hog, not a single player on that list is averaging more APG than Mo Williams. I'm not saying Mo is better than all of those guys, but it depends on what you need.

Mo Williams:
MPG = 24.2
APG = 4.9

Manu Ginobili:
MPG = 24.1
APG = 4.7

Reggie Jackson:
MPG = 25.9
APG = 3.8

Ramon Sessions:
MPG = 21.9
APG = 2.9

Andre Miller:
MPG = 19.0
APG = 3.3

Darren Collison:
MPG = 20.2
APG = 2.4

Jarrett Jack:
MPG = 28.1
APG = 4.0

Shaun Livingston:
MPG = 23.5
APG = 3.2

Tyreke Evans:
MPG = 25.9
APG = 4.3

Yes, Manu and Evans are better than Mo, but they are really SGs and make way more than Mo. Manu has been one of the best 6th men in the history of the game, makes 3x as much as Mo and will retire a Spur. Evans makes 5x as much as Mo. NOP had to GIVE us Robin Lopez to sign him to that huge contract. And, in spite of being loaded with young talent, NOP are 15-19 and we are 27-9. I'll take Lopez and Mo (and our record) over Tyreke Evans any day. Especially since Lopez and Williams combined make 3/4 as much as Evans.

Dwight is just an old gas bag trying to keep his name relevant. He's stirring up shit for the sake of stirring up shit and Mo is his new target. Considering how little we pay Mo, he's a bargain compared to most of the guys on that list and we're lucky to have him.

BNM
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im saying this blindly but lets comapre TO's if were gonna do assists
 
Would any of those guys fit in better on our team that he mentioned? Andre miller would suck for stotts
 
Jaynes won some sort of random journalism award that no one has heard of the other day, he knows what he's talking about, like Canzano.
 
I'm more curios if there are 4 less useless people in Portland Sports media than Jaynes. No Mo Credibility
 
Draco said:
So Jaynes thinks he's the 9th best backup PG in the league? So 21 teams have a worse option and 8 have a better one. Dwight thinks we have a better option than 70% of the league. Considering we were at 0% last year I'm happy with it. I'd rank Mo higher than Dwight but overall I think Mo is right, this is Dwight trying to make a negative out of something he doesn't even agree with himself.
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Jaynes doesn't think Mo is 9th best. He said no mo room meaning there are others better than Mo who don't fit in the tweet
 
blazedanugz said:
im saying this blindly but lets comapre TO's if were gonna do assists
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And, if we're going to compare TOV, we should really look at AST/TOV ratio. Here goes. It will be interesting to see how this turns out...

Mo Williams:
MPG = 24.2
APG = 4.9
TOV = 2.1
AST/TOV = 2.33

Manu Ginobili:
MPG = 24.1
APG = 4.7
TOV = 2.0
AST/TOV = 2.24

Reggie Jackson:
MPG = 25.9
APG = 3.8
TOV = 2.1
AST/TOV = 1.81

Ramon Sessions:
MPG = 21.9
APG = 2.9
TOV = 1.6
AST/TOV = 1.81

Andre Miller:
MPG = 19.0
APG = 3.3
TOV = 1.1
AST/TOV = 3.00

Darren Collison:
MPG = 20.2
APG = 2.4
TOV = 1.3
AST/TOV = 1.85

Jarrett Jack:
MPG = 28.1
APG = 4.0
TOV = 1.8
AST/TOV = 2.22

Shaun Livingston:
MPG = 23.5
APG = 3.2
TOV = 1.3
AST/TOV = 2.46

Tyreke Evans:
MPG = 25.9
APG = 4.3
TOV = 2.1
AST/TOV = 2.05

So, Mo is 3rd of 9 in AST/TOV ratio. The only two players who have a better AST/TOV are Andre Miller, who would not be a good fit in our offense and Shaun Livingston who has made exactly ONE 3-pointer all season.

BNM
 
You know who would be a great back-up PG is Stotts' gameplan? Damon Stoudamire.

I will now go weep in the corner.
 
BTW, I'm not a huge Mo fan. He is what he is. We knew when we signed him he was a streaky shooter and that's exactly what he's been for us. And, given that he only averaged 6.2 APG as a starter last season, I'm pleasantly surprised he's averaging 4.9 APG coming off the bench for us. Is he great? No, but he's cheap and much, much better than anyone we had coming of our bench last year. He seems to have good chemistry with his teammates, fits Stotts' system well and most of all, is cheap. Hard to complain about that. Did I mention he's on a very cheap contract?

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
BTW, I'm not a huge Mo fan. He is what he is. We knew when we signed him he was a streaky shooter and that's exactly what he's been for us. And, given that he only averaged 6.2 APG as a starter last season, I'm pleasantly surprised he's averaging 4.9 APG coming off the bench for us. Is he great? No, but he's cheap and much, much better than anyone we had coming of our bench last year. He seems to have good chemistry with his teammates, fits Stotts' system well and most of all, is cheap. Hard to complain about that. Did I mention he's on a very cheap contract?

BNM
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All very legit points. Here's what bothers me about Mo - or more precisely how much the team relies on him.

Our starting 5 thrive on ball movement. When the offense is clicking, it is a thing of beauty. OTOH, if there was a stat for "seconds spent dribbling", I suspect Mo would lead the team. He too often resorts to the role of ball-stopper - even when he is on the court with multiple starters.

As much as I dislike Jaynes, I don't think the on court/off court stat he cites is just a fluke. Part of that is his weak defense, but IMHO not all of it.
 
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BlazerCaravan said:
His eFG% is only .473, 1.8% better than Joel, and 0.7% better than TRob... and that takes into account that 3's are worth more than 2's. His raw FG% is 40.7%, 1% below Will Barton.
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Yes, but that is taking into account Mo jacking up a shot when there is no good option in the offense and he has to create something out of nothing. Sometimes those lower percentage shots are the best option available. It might only be be a 42% shot for Mo but if Joel tried to force something it'd be a 28% shot.
 
Mo Williams is the best player right now coming off the bench and it ain't close. Remove him and the bench isn't any better than they were last year with where CJ is at right now.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
Mo Williams is the best player right now coming off the bench and it ain't close. Remove him and the bench isn't any better than they were last year with where CJ is at right now.
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Yeah, given the situation and our record, I thought it was a cheap shot for Jaynes to call out Mo. He's the best we've got. It could be worse. He came here on a cheap contract and made our historically bad bench a whole lot better. Giving him shit because he's not Manu Ginobili seems a bit unfair to me. If Manu would have come here for $2.5 million, I'd be all over that, but this is the real world.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yeah, given the situation and our record, I thought it was a cheap shot for Jaynes to call out Mo. He's the best we've got. It could be worse. He came here on a cheap contract and made our historically bad bench a whole lot better. Giving him shit because he's not Manu Ginobili seems a bit unfair to me. If Manu would have come here for $2.5 million, I'd be all over that, but this is the real world.

BNM
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Dwight is Dwight. The team hasn't given him much to bitch about this year. Good for them. Unfortunately, he has found someone to pick on.

If there wasn't something for him to bitch and moan about he would crust up and die.
 
shamelessblazer said:
It seems like something could work out with Mo & Faried going to New York, Shumpert going to Denver, and us grabbing a second rounder from someone.
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No. Mo fits our offense a million times more than Andre miller.
 
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