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MickZagger said:
Trade Lillard for Paul George, Aminu and 2 1st rd picks for Shaun Livingston. Crabbe for James Johnson & filler.

Next years starting lineup:

Livingston
McCollum
George
Johnson
Nurkic

pipe dream.
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UKRAINEFAN said:
OK, I went through all the SF's and the only ones remotely available would be Gallinari and Joe Ingles. Couldn't Utah use a shooter at SG like Crabbe? They don't have a lot of garbage contracts to unload however so not sure how to entice them?
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Why wouldn't they just keep Ingles who is just as good of a shooter?
 
MickZagger said:
Any Melo trade rumors are awful as well. I want nothing to do with that guy.
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That's fine, but at least Melo is on the market. His GM said as much.

Johnson andLivingston are both free agents. Not only are your trade values completely off (Johnson is worth way more), two of your three targets can't be traded
 
Sedatedfork said:
Can we send Meyers to bootcamp?

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IF that happened... Mild LeoTARD wouldn't be Gomer Pyle... he'd be Private Pile :smiley-muha:

I'm all for putting Private Pile through our version of bootcamp; if things stay true to form... our hazing/brow-beating would transform Mild LeoTARD into a sharpshooting killing machine!:smiley-misici: The only problem w/ this plan is that the LeoTARD has to remain on the team... nah, scratch this idea, to the dumpster w/ this flaming bag o' Private Poo!:wink:
 
yuyuza1 said:
That's fine, but at least Melo is on the market. His GM said as much.

Johnson andLivingston are both free agents. Not only are your trade values completely off (Johnson is worth way more), two of your three targets can't be traded
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I didn't check anything, I was just giving examples off the top of my head to balance the roster. I'm not sure our ball dominant, lack of defense back court is our path to a deep playoff run. I adore both Lillard and McCollum. But, if there is a star out there that balances the roster more, you have to do it. We also need guys like James Johnson who buy into the idea of defense as a team concept. Our best defender, Aminu relies on his athleticism, gambles way too often and on the other side of the ball is a loose cannon.

This team has major holes that need be patched up, our best bet of getting anything of real value might be to break up the back court. I see this team as a fringe playoff team for years to come, even with the emergence of Nurkic, if we don't get some balance to the roster.
 
MickZagger said:
I didn't check anything, I was just giving examples off the top of my head to balance the roster. I'm not sure our ball dominant, lack of defense back court is our path to a deep playoff run. I adore both Lillard and McCollum. But, if there is a star out there that balances the roster more, you have to do it. We also need guys like James Johnson who buy into the idea of defense as a team concept. Our best defender, Aminu relies on his athleticism, gambles way too often and on the other side of the ball is a loose cannon.

This team has major holes that need be patched up, our best bet of getting anything of real value might be to break up the back court. I see this team as a fringe playoff team for years to come, even with the emergence of Nurkic, if we don't get some balance to the roster.
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Agreed, which is why I'm fine with bold moves -- being conservative and shooting for small incremental changes probably isn't going to get it done, and I don't think you can count on Nurkic style trades to fall into your lap more than about once per decade.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I'm actually super excited about this offseason. We finally have a few assets to put into play for picks and/or moves. Wish we had some flexibility, but we have a ton of options.
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How can you have options without flexibility?
 
yuyuza1 said:
Sorry, this is awful. 2 first round picks for Livingston?
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That's pretty fair. It's not like they're lottery picks. Of course there will be players available at those picks that will be better than Livingston, but there's very little likelihood they would be the players we'd pick.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
He's a sf who plays behind Hayward. I think Crabbe could start for them at SG.
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Well they have Hood too. Ingles is a much more useful player than Crabbe and is RFA btw.

Utah has to renew Hayward and Hill so they cannot take back such a bad contract. They ll go luxury tax.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
I think if Melo wanted to waive his no trade to come here and we can dump some combo Meyers/AC/Turner and a pick (20 or 26), I might get on the Melo to PDX train.We are cash strapped as is. Why not let Melo try to rebrand his image here?

A Dame/CJ/Melo/Aminu/Nurk lineup actually looks decent to me and I think we could win 50-55 games easily with that crew. Someone talk me off this ledge.
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I'd be interested in Anthony if Anthony were willing to commit to power forward, Harrison Barnes style.

A lineup of Lillard/McCollum/Harkless/Anthony/Nurkic looks good. On offense, anyway. Getting good two-way players is probably an impossibility right now.
 
Sarni said:
We can but them it's a net zero change for us really, isn't it? We don't get anything of value back, we get rid of one player that doesn't help us but need to send someone/something that does help us in order to do that. It might work but is a bit desperate IMO. Under no circumstances would I attach a pick to get rid of contract, we are not in position where it makes sense. People suggested offering someone ours or Memphis pick to offload Leonard which is absolutely crazy.
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It would net us cap space and get rid of our bad contracts.

With $40M, wed be able to sign a like James Johnson, Thabo Sefelosha, and still pay Jrue Holiday $20M+ to be the best 6th man in the NBA. All of them are very good defensively, and are very effective on offense.

Granted, it could be 3 different players, but it'd allow us to add good 2-way players, as right now Nurkic is our only good 2-way player on the roster.

If we got rid of all 6, draft Giles, and trade for O'Quinn, wed have a set frontcourt rotation of
Giles / Vonleh / O'Quinn
Nurkic / O'Quinn

With $35M left to shore up the positions previously filled by AC, ET, and Moe, we could already have two replacements in. whoever we draft at 15 (Ferguson?), and Napier. We could try to find a max level SF, split it up for 2 solid SFs, or sign someone to a 1-Year Max (Like J.Holiday), and maintain $30M+ in cap space for next season before we resign Nurkic.
 
From under the radar guys who could move this summer, my dream lineup is:

Lillard / Napier
McCollum / Sefelosha
Crowder / Gay
J. Johnson / A.Johnson
Nurkic / O'Quinn

The 6 of: O'Quinn($4M), Crowder($6M), the Johnsons($12M,ea?), Gay($12M?), Sefelosha ($5M?) would make a total of $51M.

Crabbe, Turner, Harkless, and Leonard make a combined $54M.
 
Crowder is a very interesting target if Boston gets an All-Star SF (Like Hayward, Butler, or PG13). Its like Crowder would get traded, and he's a good two-way player who's only making $6M. I'd give up are 2018 and 2020 1sts.

Would make the whole shedding salary plan even more important benefits a lineup of Lillard, McCollum, Crowder, J. Johnson, and Nurkic would be great.
 
A ton of cap space is fiscal flexibility, in the terms some GMs use. It allows you to sign FAs outright or take back salary in trade without giving up salary in return (for the most part).

With CJ's big contract kicking in, it's unlikely we could make much outright cap space that would be of much use.

Having guys signed up to the LT, though, lets us trade for similar salary amounts without butting up against the salary cap.

All things being equal, and you get what you pay for performance/salary, you should be able to build a better roster with a $122M budget instead of a $102M one. That's kind of a no-brainer.

If you aren't up to the LT like we are now, $102M would be the budget next season.
 
Denny Crane said:
If you aren't up to the LT like we are now, $102M would be the budget next season.
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Completely incorrect. If the Blazers were only at the salary cap right now--or even below--CJ's extension would push them well over, and they'd also have the full 8.4M MLE available.

If, for example, the Blazers had not signed Turner and had not matched Crabbe, the Blazers' active contracts going into next season would be around the $102M cap, but the first round picks and the MLE would put the "budget" close to the luxury tax line without already being in tax hell.
 
Why would we want Melo, who I think someone here showed is less efficient than Dame or CJ, taking LOTS of shots away from Dame and CJ, and who doesn't make teammates better, and who is also bad on defense, and who also has a cap busting tax penalty inducing contract? I don't get it.
 
BBert said:
Why would we want Melo, who I think someone here showed is less efficient than Dame or CJ, taking LOTS of shots away from Dame and CJ, and who doesn't make teammates better, and who is also bad on defense, and who also has a cap busting tax penalty inducing contract? I don't get it.
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The only way this is even possible is if New York is taking back some of Portland's salaries, to make this essentially salary neutral. The Blazers don't have cap space, so they can't absorb more significantly more salary than they send out.

He's not very efficient as a first option small forward, but I've read analyses that suggest that (pre-Porzingas) New York's offensive efficiency skyrocketed when he played power forward. I could imagine his efficiency jumping playing alongside Lillard and McCollum, as a power forward. Someone who can shoot the ball playing power forward would really open up the team's spacing over guys like Aminu or Ed Davis.

Now, if you're sold on Vonleh as the team's power forward going forward, then there's not a lot of point considering Anthony. But if you have doubts about Vonleh as a starter and if Anthony is on the outs with New York and if Anthony were interested in playing in Portland (he has a no-trade clause) and if he were willing to play power forward predominantly (in past years, he hasn't been), then it starts to make some sense as a way to try to push the team into a new gear offensively for a team with (perhaps) limited flexibility to make real changes.

But it'll almost certainly weaken their defense so...
 
BBert said:
Why would we want Melo, who I think someone here showed is less efficient than Dame or CJ, taking LOTS of shots away from Dame and CJ, and who doesn't make teammates better, and who is also bad on defense, and who also has a cap busting tax penalty inducing contract? I don't get it.
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He's historically been a good player for Team USA.

(Not that I'm advocating it.)
 
craigehlo said:
Let's get Meyers working on the triangle offense all summer. No way Phil turns that down!
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Mild LeoTARD after all these years has demonstrated that he has shall we say... "remedial abilities..." I think he should begin & probably end w/ this triangle instead...
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