Exclusive |Swept| So it begins - 2017 offseason

[illmatic99]

Would you trade CJ for him?

Yup. He's on a reasonable contract for two more seasons.

 

[blue9]

Arnovitz: Fact. When endowed with two dynamic, playmaking guards who can initiate offense off the most basic actions and carve up defenses at will, you should happily build around them.

Engelmann: Terry Stotts rates as the third-worst active coach by my coach metric, so replacing him should be the highest priority. His impact on player development and performance, especially on the defensive end, simply leaves too much to be desired. Scott Skiles would be my dream candidate.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Would you trade CJ for him?

Butler is one of the few players that I would. Yes. Not an easy decision but probably.

With that said, I can't see POR doing it. They are going to offer all 3 picks plus a combination of any players on the roster beyond the big 3.

Not going to get it done probably but, then again, if they are rebuilding they may not want CJ's big contract.

 

[illmatic99]

@blue9
That guy also said this:

Also, dealing Lillard would make sense if the Blazers could get a deal resembling the Nuggets' trade of Carmelo Anthony. Like Melo, he appears to play only one end of the court, but some teams would probably give up a lot to get him.

Don't want to really consider any of his opinions.

 

[blue9]

Package Meyers with the Cleveland pick. Will someone bite?

The problem with this is it doesn't do us any good, and in fact is a net negative because we lose a draft pick. Shedding Meyers' contract does NOTHING for us unless we first lose AT LEAST one of Crabbe/Tuner. If we can move Crabbe/Turner, plus someone like Davis/Aminu/Harkless, only then does shedding Meyers' contract start to make sense.

 

[tester551]

The problem with this is it doesn't do us any good, and in fact is a net negative because we lose a draft pick. Shedding Meyers' contract does NOTHING for us unless we first lose AT LEAST one of Crabbe/Tuner. If we can move Crabbe/Turner, plus someone like Davis/Aminu/Harkless, only then does shedding Meyers' contract start to make sense.

Shedding Meyer's contract has a lot of benefit regardless. We are over the tax line, so Paul is essentially paying double Meyer's contract to have him on the team.

Not to mention, I think the relationship is starting to break down (based on several comments in the exit interviews from CJ, Meyers, Stotts, & NeO). I think it would be in everyone's best interest to let Meyers have a fresh start at a new location.

Would you trade CJ for him?

In a heart beat!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

The hope for a Meyers dumping: Miles Plumlee was traded by Milwaukee to Charlotte for Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert (two essentially expiring contracts). Plumlee had just signed a 4 yr, 50 mil deal this past summer. This is a dude that regularly gets DNP CDs

Meyers is a better player when he has his head on straight and is owed $8 mil less over the next three years of his contract. I don't think there's any need to attach picks to dump him.

I agree; we will eventually get rid of him, even if we have to wait for another year or two to come off his contract.

 

[PDXFonz]

The hope for a Meyers dumping: Miles Plumlee was traded by Milwaukee to Charlotte for Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert (two essentially expiring contracts). Plumlee had just signed a 4 yr, 50 mil deal this past summer. This is a dude that regularly gets DNP CDs

Meyers is a better player when he has his head on straight and is owed $8 mil less over the next three years of his contract. I don't think there's any need to attach picks to dump him.

Rich Cho's don't grow on trees.

 

[Chris Craig]

...nice! You da man -- it's THAT time of year again

I'm writing three more articles:

1. The first will be a deeper insight of the exit interviews
2.) The second article will be about draft prospects should we keep our picks
3.) The third will be about veterans or other players we can trade for to make the team better, if we decide to trade the picks.

 

[dviss1]

Some of you need to learn that the truth isn't always peaches and cream, and if you don't like it, move on. There's also an ignore option. The fact that many of you keep responding so sensitively is a sign that deep down you know there is truth to some of the things i've been saying.

Does everybody know this is Tunchi or not?

 

[BonesJones]

The problem with this is it doesn't do us any good, and in fact is a net negative because we lose a draft pick. Shedding Meyers' contract does NOTHING for us unless we first lose AT LEAST one of Crabbe/Tuner. If we can move Crabbe/Turner, plus someone like Davis/Aminu/Harkless, only then does shedding Meyers' contract start to make sense.

Exactly. People state that its good to save Paul money. They care more about PAs pockets then him!

Shouldn't shed assets to shed non-assets unless we're creating cap space, not saving on luxury tax.

 

[dviss1]

My thoughts:

Dame and CJ could work. However, since they are not that great of passers/ball handlers,.

I stopped reading after this.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

oops meant to say they are not good at running the offense. they are good ball handlers but tend to ISO a little too much and do too much and it freezes out everyone else.

 

[PDXFonz]

oops meant to say they are not good at running the offense. they are good ball handlers but tend to ISO a little too much and do too much and it freezes out everyone else.

How can you say that when they run so many reads? I think they run the offense just fine, the thing is the best option is usually for them to take over. Thankfully we have Nurk and an entire offseason + training camp for Stotts to integrate him into the offense.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How can you say that when they run so many reads? I think they run the offense just fine, the thing is the best option is usually for them to take over. Thankfully we have Nurk and an entire offseason + training camp for Stotts to integrate Nurk into the offense.

you don't think CJ overdribbles?

 

[PDXFonz]

you don't think CJ overdribbles?

Its basically what he's asked to do. I guess my answer would be that at times I feel like him and dame get caught in the mindset of getting theirs, but I noticed down the stretch Dame especially was looking to get Nurk much more involved. I just think those two realized they didn't have a consistent third option around them, and that made it so they tried to shoulder more of the offensive load.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Would you trade CJ for him?

I would but I'd definitely only do it if all other paths have been tried and it was a guarantee.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Geezuz. You guys have my head spinning

 

[JDC]

Current Offseason Plan:

Trades:

• #15 + Al-Farouq Aminu + Festus Ezeli for Thaddeus Young + #48 (Kadeem Allen)
• Ed Davis + Future 2nd for Kyle O'Quinn + Salary Filler (Vujacic/Plumlee/Ndour - would be waived)

Draft:

• #20 - Anzejs Pasceniks
• #26 - P.J. Dozier
• #48 - Kadeem Allen

2017 - 2018 Roster:

• PG - Lillard / McCollum / Napier /Allen
• SG - McCollum / Crabbe / Dozier
• SF - Harkless / Turner/ Dozier / Layman
• PF - Young / Vonleh / O'Quinn / Harkless
• C - Nurkic / O'Quinn / Leonard / Pasecniks

 

[stampedehero]

Nobody will take garbage like Crabbe, Harkless, Meyers or Turner without sending back equally bad players on long contracts. Without attaching draft picks to move contracts, you are just swapping crap. Expect Brandon Knight, Joakim Noah, Asik, Chandler Parsons and Ian Mahinmi to be the level of player available.

So exact for your appreciation of their talent when you call them garbage.

 

[stampedehero]

Another thing. There is absolutely no reason to keep Crabbe because we don't really use him. He averages about 8 field goal attempts a game. I just don't believe that this is due to him being not assertive enough. He was the go-to guy on his college team. He is very active out there. But when Lillard drives he is often so focused on getting to the basket, he really doesn't see anyone to pass too. And I understand this is maybe right; other teams focus on him so much that he needs to do everything perfect as he approaches the basket. It's more or less the same with CJ, he has to focus so much on his moves that he doesn't see anyone. I understand that these guys are our most competent and efficient scorers. But if you don't get everyone involved regularly they will never become competent efficient scorers. Did you see Draymond Green driving a couple times; he got close enough to the basket while being guarded by our undersized guys that he could have easily thrown it in, but he chose to pass to open three point shooters. (yeh, yeh, I understand these are proven three point shooters).
Anyway back to Crabbe. He often runs a little route around the outside and then circles towards the basket. He often gets a full yard ahead of his guy, but he never gets the ball. Often it seems it is a bad angle between him and Damon but could it also be Damon is pretty short (as is our entire team; how the hell did that happen?!!)
But to reiterate; we haven't found a way to use Crabbe in all these years, so let's trade him. I think there must be a team out there that realizes he can be utilized better.

Imagine if Dame and CJ "passed the ball". Insert any player and the result is still the same. Nurk is the one I always see as the most "unselfish" player we have.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

And why would we want to trade someone who has the best production per dollar on the team, even though he had a bad year? Olshey is not going to make any deals just to get rid of contracts at this point; maybe in a year or two.

 

[Sarni]

If we are getting rid of the contracts, it won't be Davis, Aminu and Harkless who we will look at first. They actually have contracts which are worth keeping.

 

[oldfisherman]

Why is Vonley not mentioned as a trade asset? He probably has positive trade value since he is still on his cheap rookie contract.

Vonley’s situation is the same situation that Plumlee was in. Better than his expiring rookie contract. But how in the heck can we afford to re-sign him next off-season?

The Plumlee trade worked out well. We should be trading as many of our expiring contracts (except for Nurkic) for draft picks. Even if they are future draft picks.

Players with expiring contracts we should be trying to trade for draft picks, and/or, good young players on longer rookie contracts.
Ezeli
Davis
Vonley
Napier
Connaughgon
Quarterman

 

[BigGameDamian]

If we are getting rid of the contracts, it won't be Davis, Aminu and Harkless who we will look at first. They actually have contracts which are worth keeping.

So you think a team will just take a guy like Meyers, Crabbe or Turner by themselves and give you something good in return?

 

[Denny Crane]

So you think a team will just take a guy like Meyers, Crabbe or Turner by themselves and give you something good in return?

I have zero doubt they can be moved for something good in return.

 

[Sarni]

So you think a team will just take a guy like Meyers, Crabbe or Turner by themselves and give you something good in return?

I think we understimate Crabbe and Turner a little in that we won't have to attach significant assets to them to move them somewhere, or even attach any assets at all. I think we could even get something decent in return. I mean, Crabbe for Noel was ridiculed at the time but in the end 76ers got less than that for him (Anderson is a poor player and two second round picks mean nothing to Sixers). Turner is also a decent, experienced player.

Leonard has no value whatsoever but stranger things have happened. There are 30 teams across the league, people do weird trades. Charlotte traded expiring Hibbert and a decent contract Hawes for a terrible Miles Plumlee $60M deal.

 

[BonesJones]

Current Offseason Plan:

Trades:

• #15 + Al-Farouq Aminu + Festus Ezeli for Thaddeus Young + #48 (Kadeem Allen)
• Ed Davis + Future 2nd for Kyle O'Quinn + Salary Filler (Vujacic/Plumlee/Ndour - would be waived)

Draft:

• #20 - Anzejs Pasceniks
• #26 - P.J. Dozier
• #48 - Kadeem Allen

2017 - 2018 Roster:

• PG - Lillard / McCollum / Napier /Allen
• SG - McCollum / Crabbe / Dozier
• SF - Harkless / Turner/ Dozier / Layman
• PF - Young / Vonleh / O'Quinn / Harkless
• C - Nurkic / O'Quinn / Leonard / Pasecniks

Not gonna lie, I would be disgusted with that draft. Why too high to pick Pasecniks and Dozier.

I also feel like we could get Young+48 for Aminu and 20 or 26. I wouldn't trade 15th for him.

 

[Sarni]

Thad Young is exactly the sort of player we should not be looking at for significant assets (and I consider both #15 and #20 in this draft as significant assets). He will be 29 at the beginning of next season, is not really that amazing, won't help us win anything serious during his prime which will be the next 2/3 years.

I like O'Quinn a lot though and would even give up more for him. He can play two positions, is a good defender, good rebounder, can stretch the floor and probably even extend his range to a 3-point line and he is cheap as feck at around $4M a team until 2019 (final year a player option from which he will opt out though so effectively a year but he won't command more than $10M in the market). Very underrated player and one we should take a look at.