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TBpup said:
illmatic99 said:
TBpup said:
That silly win against ORL is keeping the Blazers from being #5 in the Lottery rankings.
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How do you figure? They have three more losses than us
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Yes, winning percentage, Portland would still trail. But Orlando would be ahead in wins and only trail by 2 losses..... and wins are becoming fewer and farther between for teams not chasing a Play-In spot. It's much easier at this point to lose games with these groups of bottom feeders.
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If the Magic had won that game, their record would presently be 32-42, and the Blazers' would be 31-41. Orlando's winning percentage would be better than Portland's right now.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Teams bid salary cap or some type of draft dollars for draft position. Want to draft Wemba, maybe it's 40 million this year while it was only 10 million for the #1 pick last year. Not impressed on this year's draft? Save space for next year. Have a huge luxury tax payroll? Then you don't get high picks. Want to win now with veterans? You can trade your draft capital away. Think other teams are undervaluing pick 10? Bid a little more to get that at good value.
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This is really a fascinating idea.
 
BassPlaya said:
Each fan can root however they want...me included. That said, rooting for my team to lose is a choice. In my world, it is a personal, ethical choice. Blaming the system to me is just using an excuse for behavior.

I can only be who I am. For my experience.....the day I consider "wanting" my team to lose, is the day I walk away from any sport....for good.
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I go to the gym to feel better... even though I know going to the gym will make me sore and may even result in hurting myself, I do it because in the long run I know it's good for me.

Rooting for the Blazers to fail in the short run is similar to me. In the long run, the franchise will be better off losing a few more games this season and perhaps by trading the best player Portland has had.

As you say, we each need to decide how we root for the team, but I know I tend to have a longer view and so am not as concerned about beating the Bulls or any of the other teams the rest of this year as I am with what kind of team we'll have two years from now.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
If I was in charge of draft picks I'd change a few things.

First not allow teams to trade picks more than 4 years out, but get rid of all the Stephen restrictions of needing a pick every other year. Teams could trade away up to four picks all at once. But teams couldnt decimate picks 7 years out when all the GM, management, and players have likely moved on with only the fans bearing a cost.

Get rid of losses helping draft picks. Instead losing franchises get additional salary cap space on a sliding scale so last year's champ gets none, teams that won playoff series get a little, teams outside playoffs get a little more. If you won a title in the last 10 years you don't get much extra. It's enough to help losing franchises improve a little but not enough to lose intentionally.

Teams bid salary cap or some type of draft dollars for draft position. Want to draft Wemba, maybe it's 40 million this year while it was only 10 million for the #1 pick last year. Not impressed on this year's draft? Save space for next year. Have a huge luxury tax payroll? Then you don't get high picks. Want to win now with veterans? You can trade your draft capital away. Think other teams are undervaluing pick 10? Bid a little more to get that at good value.

It's stupid we have a system encouraging us
to root for losses but honestly I am right now. Wish instead I was rooting for Dame and Shae to build for next year. Also wish the draft wasnt ping pong balls selected for a bunch of losers. There should be a system that successfully can be planned to build a winner.
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Love this idea
 
Ed O said:
I go to the gym to feel better... even though I know going to the gym will make me sore and may even result in hurting myself, I do it because in the long run I know it's good for me.

Rooting for the Blazers to fail in the short run is similar to me. In the long run, the franchise will be better off losing a few more games this season and perhaps by trading the best player Portland has had.

As you say, we each need to decide how we root for the team, but I know I tend to have a longer view and so am not as concerned about beating the Bulls or any of the other teams the rest of this year as I am with what kind of team we'll have two years from now.
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At over 60 years old...I certainly get the whole long term view thing. But there is a major piece missing from that analogy. There aren't 10's of thousands of people counting on you, invested in you, and rooting for you in some manner....that your going to the gym might harm/disappoint/turn off. It's just you....and your choices for the future. What I am talking about, is the spirit of competition, and willfull choice to wish defeat upon one's team. It goes against the very premise as to why I follow the team and watch every game....to see them beat the other team. One can use any analogy they want, or excuse, but in the end, I cannot be a fan of both winning....and losing. I choose to root to win every game.
 
KingSpeed said:
Players don’t care about lottery position so they wouldn’t care about such a tournament. They don’t want young players to come in and take their jobs.
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Yeah, but their employers do, so they’d be forced to play. If it were really an issue you could start suspending people without pay.

Young guys would play hard because it’s a direct reflection on them and veterans would play hard (imagine Dame for instance) because it would improve the likelihood of us having an asset / or drafting someone that can meaningfully contribute.

Also this notion that players are just gonna pack it in is absurd. Most players are competitive dudes. They don’t like losing, no matter what the reason.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Downside to this is that it kind of REWARDS tanking. If you're the BEST team of the worst, you have the best chance at winning the tournament. Meanwhile teams that are genuinely abject (for whatever reasons) will lose in the tournament and the cycle of crappitude continues. I mean, the basic idea of giving the highest pick to the worst team is still a good one, because it means you don't have the same teams staying shit forever.
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That’s why it was a 6 team tournament. Could even do bottom 4.

i like the idea of the bid system but that also guarantees some teams will be crap forever because the owner is too cheap to spend on a top pick
 
BassPlaya said:
Each fan can root however they want...me included. That said, rooting for my team to lose is a choice. In my world, it is a personal, ethical choice. Blaming the system to me is just using an excuse for behavior.

I can only be who I am. For my experience.....the day I consider "wanting" my team to lose, is the day I walk away from any sport....for good.
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I'm fine with everything in your post except the word ethical. Blazers loosing or winning or draft picks or not has nothing to do with ethics. It's a silly game I and likely most here wasted decades watching for pure entertainment.
 
Yuck. The Blazers should have to reimburse season ticket holders for making them watch the kind of mess they put out there tonight.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I'm fine with everything in your post except the word ethical. Blazers loosing or winning or draft picks or not has nothing to do with ethics. It's a silly game I and likely most here wasted decades watching for pure entertainment.
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If you read my post....I was very specific. It was about me....not other fans.

"moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity"..........."a theory or system of moral values."

It's simple. In my world, you never play to lose. The contest itself is the definition of sport.
 
This isn't new for Portland. Back in 2020, the Blazers were down to around the #5 spot in the Lottery before for going on a bit of a run to finish 35-39. That year, the Lottery wasn't great (did we even have a pick?), but we would have finished around where we are now but instead of tanking, they beat some of the other tanking teams to squeeze into the Playoffs and get trounced.

The whole philosophy of smaller, offensive minded with little defensive impact players has not boded well. Even if it has taken them to scraping into or higher ranked Playoff spots, the result has most often been a quick dismissal. The year they beat the dysfunctional Thunder and then the baby Nugz, is the exception that almost proves the rule. This team needs a complete retooling, length, defensive chops, and some 'dog' to them. And it is tough to see where Billups would be the guy that would get the most out of that group even though it seems like that might be his basketball lineage.
 
TBpup said:
This isn't new for Portland. Back in 2020, the Blazers were down to around the #5 spot in the Lottery before for going on a bit of a run to finish 35-39. That year, the Lottery wasn't great (did we even have a pick?), but we would have finished around where we are now but instead of tanking, they beat some of the other tanking teams to squeeze into the Playoffs and get trounced.

The whole philosophy of smaller, offensive minded with little defensive impact players has not boded well. Even if it has taken them to scraping into or higher ranked Playoff spots, the result has most often been a quick dismissal. The year they beat the dysfunctional Thunder and then the baby Nugz, is the exception that almost proves the rule. This team needs a complete retooling, length, defensive chops, and some 'dog' to them. And it is tough to see where Billups would be the guy that would get the most out of that group even though it seems like that might be his basketball lineage.
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Agreed. We need to draft long wings that can do both.

Sharpe was a good start. He’s pretty much the most physically gifted young SG to come out in recent years.

Ausar Thompson, Taylor Hendricks, either guy has the physical traits and defensive chops and offensive potential for a SF today. Grant is already a physically gifted SF/PF.

Ant and Dame. One guy has to go depending on what direction Dame wants to go this offseason.
 
Predator said:
Yeah, but their employers do, so they’d be forced to play. If it were really an issue you could start suspending people without pay.

Young guys would play hard because it’s a direct reflection on them and veterans would play hard (imagine Dame for instance) because it would improve the likelihood of us having an asset / or drafting someone that can meaningfully contribute.

Also this notion that players are just gonna pack it in is absurd. Most players are competitive dudes. They don’t like losing, no matter what the reason.
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I’m just saying the draft pick wouldn’t motivate them.
 
TBpup said:
This isn't new for Portland. Back in 2020, the Blazers were down to around the #5 spot in the Lottery before for going on a bit of a run to finish 35-39. That year, the Lottery wasn't great (did we even have a pick?), but we would have finished around where we are now but instead of tanking, they beat some of the other tanking teams to squeeze into the Playoffs and get trounced.

The whole philosophy of smaller, offensive minded with little defensive impact players has not boded well. Even if it has taken them to scraping into or higher ranked Playoff spots, the result has most often been a quick dismissal. The year they beat the dysfunctional Thunder and then the baby Nugz, is the exception that almost proves the rule. This team needs a complete retooling, length, defensive chops, and some 'dog' to them. And it is tough to see where Billups would be the guy that would get the most out of that group even though it seems like that might be his basketball lineage.
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The tanking teams weren’t invited to Disney in 2020. The teams we played were desperately trying to make the playoffs.
 
TBpup said:
This isn't new for Portland. Back in 2020, the Blazers were down to around the #5 spot in the Lottery before for going on a bit of a run to finish 35-39. That year, the Lottery wasn't great (did we even have a pick?), but we would have finished around where we are now but instead of tanking, they beat some of the other tanking teams to squeeze into the Playoffs and get trounced.

The whole philosophy of smaller, offensive minded with little defensive impact players has not boded well. Even if it has taken them to scraping into or higher ranked Playoff spots, the result has most often been a quick dismissal. The year they beat the dysfunctional Thunder and then the baby Nugz, is the exception that almost proves the rule. This team needs a complete retooling, length, defensive chops, and some 'dog' to them. And it is tough to see where Billups would be the guy that would get the most out of that group even though it seems like that might be his basketball lineage.
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2020 was the draft Portland sent it's first of two 1st's to Detroit for RoCo. The 16th pick:

16 Isaiah Stewart
19 Saddiq Bey
20 Precious Achiuwa
21 Tyrese Maxey
25 Immanuel Quickley
28 Jaden McDaniels
30 Desmond Bane

after that draft, and the following off-season, this is the perimeter roster that Olshey thought was a good idea:

Keljin Blevins 6-4
CJ Elleby 6-6
Derrick Jones Jr. 6-5
Damian Lillard 6-2
CJ McCollum 6-3
Norman Powell 6-3
Anfernee Simons 6-3

geeeeeeeeezuzzzz
 
wizenheimer said:
2020 was the draft Portland sent it's first of two 1st's to Detroit for RoCo. The 16th pick:

16 Isaiah Stewart
19 Saddiq Bey
20 Precious Achiuwa
21 Tyrese Maxey
25 Immanuel Quickley
28 Jaden McDaniels
30 Desmond Bane

after that draft, and the following off-season, this is the perimeter roster that Olshey thought was a good idea:

Keljin Blevins 6-4
CJ Elleby 6-6
Derrick Jones Jr. 6-5
Damian Lillard 6-2
CJ McCollum 6-3
Norman Powell 6-3
Anfernee Simons 6-3

geeeeeeeeezuzzzz
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Funny thing is; did Cronin's roster get bigger or smaller?
 
wizenheimer said:
2020 was the draft Portland sent it's first of two 1st's to Detroit for RoCo. The 16th pick:

16 Isaiah Stewart
19 Saddiq Bey
20 Precious Achiuwa
21 Tyrese Maxey
25 Immanuel Quickley
28 Jaden McDaniels
30 Desmond Bane

after that draft, and the following off-season, this is the perimeter roster that Olshey thought was a good idea:

Keljin Blevins 6-4
CJ Elleby 6-6
Derrick Jones Jr. 6-5
Damian Lillard 6-2
CJ McCollum 6-3
Norman Powell 6-3
Anfernee Simons 6-3

geeeeeeeeezuzzzz
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Actually I don't think this is right, Jones started the season with Trent.
 
TBpup said:
Orlando hosts the struggling Nets who had a breakout game last night against the Heat. Could they have tired legs? Could the Magic sneak in a win? That would tie them with the Blazers in the all important 'win' category.

Let's go Magic!
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Thank you Orlando for listening. :twothumbs::twothumbs::twothumbs:
 
If we lose out like we did last season we are guaranteed a share of the 5th best odds in the draft.
 
It's fun to think that after going 10-4, the team has gone 22-38.

and now are guaranteed a losing season too.

Wait, fun isn't what I meant.
 
julius said:
It's fun to think that after going 10-4, the team has gone 22-38.

and now are guaranteed a losing season too.

Wait, fun isn't what I meant.
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Yeah, definitely not fun at all.
 
OneSport3 said:
We still play the Spurs on 04/06. We have the play the tankiest roster in the history of tanking to lose that game. John Butler has to start.
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Thats an important one for them to lose also. Hoping to be hard not to win that game unless POP wants to help Dame overt his team.
 
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