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1 Eye Jack said:
it was a dumb way to make the trade, it’s tied our hands in making any future trades until the Chicago pick is done. Chicago has us over a barrel, they know we can’t make any big trades till the pick has been completed, so yeah they could potentially hold out and force us to give an additional asset again making this a shitty trade.
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Chicago does not have us over any barrel. That's a nonsense narrative that no journalist has reported and that Joe has said he already has a solution for. Keep on spinning your paranoid yarns though, if you want to.
 
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STOMP said:
The other two Thunder players I mentioned previously. Williams had a tremendous rookie year (probably finishes 2nd in the ROY vote) and Chet has the potential of being an impact frontcourt player.

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Chet could be very good. I’m looking forward to seeing him play.
 
blazerkor said:
Chicago does not have us over any barrel. That's a nonsense narrative that no journalist has reported and that Joe has said he already has a solution for. Keep on spinning your paranoid yarns though, if you want to.
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Honestly, seems pretty reasonable if the Bulls GM is any good.
 
Predator said:
Honestly, seems pretty reasonable if the Bulls GM is any good.
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The fact is that there is precedence set for this. If the Bulls front office wants to try to extort us, it won't look good for them.

The only fact I have to go on (and no the insistence of guys in this forum is not a fact) is that Joe Cronin said he has been in contact with the Bulls front office often and accessing our future picks won't be a problem. If they were trying to hold Joe over a barrel I don't think bravado from him would be a tactic anyone would take.
 
blazerkor said:
The fact is that there is precedence set for this. If the Bulls front office wants to try to extort us, it won't look good for them.

The only fact I have to go on (and no the insistence of guys in this forum is not a fact) is that Joe Cronin said he has been in contact with the Bulls front office often and accessing our future picks won't be a problem. If they were trying to hold Joe over a barrel I don't think bravado from him would be a tactic anyone would take.
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He literally said “we would have to incentivize them somehow, it’s whatever we work out”. Followed by “there are a lot of variations”.

And if the Bulls hold his feet over the fire, no other GM is gonna think it looks bad for them. They’re gonna think, “probably shouldn’t make that stupid kind of trade” and “good for them getting the most they can”.

And he never said “it wouldn’t be a problem”. He said they talk and say “we will call you if things heat up”.
 
Predator said:
At this point I feel that if we somehow landed Wemby, won 3 chips, HCP would still say “I still would’ve preferred the playoffs”.
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Wouldn’t we have to be in the playoffs to win a championship? You actually got one of these tool boxes to like your post, baffling.
 
blazerkor said:
Chicago does not have us over any barrel. That's a nonsense narrative that no journalist has reported and that Joe has said he already has a solution for. Keep on spinning your paranoid yarns though, if you want to.
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no need to get upset just my opinion. Question for you, what if Toronto said ok we will trade you Siakim but we want 3 1st rounders can we currently make that trade right now? If Chicago doesn’t agree to take the 23rd pick this year we won’t be able to trade any 1st rounders during the off season because we don’t when our pick will go to Chicago (correct me if I’m wrong)
 
blazerkor said:
Chicago does not have us over any barrel. That's a nonsense narrative that no journalist has reported and that Joe has said he already has a solution for. Keep on spinning your paranoid yarns though, if you want to.
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Joe has said a lot of things.

I'm not sure why we would believe what he has to say about the future of this team.

That doesn't mean Chicago wouldn't make a deal with us, but Joe saying not to worry about it doesn't mean much.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
no need to get upset just my opinion. Question for you, what if Toronto said ok we will trade you Siakim but we want 3 1st rounders can we currently make that trade right now? If Chicago doesn’t agree to take the 23rd pick this year we won’t be able to trade any 1st rounders during the off season because we don’t when our pick will go to Chicago (correct me if I’m wrong)
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The 23rd pick is not the only way to access our future firsts. They could take a second or just cash like has been done several times to free up picks for big moves, and take next year's pick guaranteed.

Chicago could say no to the deal but in so doing they would probably cause us to trade Dame and start a youth rebuild which would make it iffy if they would ever see that pick. Also due to the pick not being guaranteed, it has very little trade value for Chicago in it's current state but if they had a guaranteed pick the 23rd this year or our pick next year unprotected that would be worth a lot more in a trade. It's a win win and that's why it has cost virtually nothing to do in the past. I've already looked up the seven or so times that protections on traded picks have been modified. Just search it and you will see that no one has ever had to pay more than a second rounder and/or cash to make the pick they owe a team more valuable.
 
blazerkor said:
The 23rd pick is not the only way to access our future firsts. They could take a second or just cash like has been done several times to free up picks for big moves, and take next year's pick guaranteed.

Chicago could say no to the deal but in so doing they would probably cause us to trade Dame and start a youth rebuild which would make it iffy if they would ever see that pick. Also due to the pick not being guaranteed, it has very little trade value for Chicago in it's current state but if they had a guaranteed pick the 23rd this year or our pick next year unprotected that would be worth a lot more in a trade. It's a win win and that's why it has cost virtually nothing to do in the past. I've already looked up the seven or so times that protections on traded picks have been modified. Just search it and you will see that no one has ever had to pay more than a second rounder and/or cash to make the pick they owe a team more valuable.
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Hope you’re right but I know if i was Chicago’s GM I’d feel like I had the upper hand and I wouldn’t take anything less than NY’s 1st or a good young player back. We are only a few months away and we’ll find out how Chicago plays it.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
no need to get upset just my opinion. Question for you, what if Toronto said ok we will trade you Siakim but we want 3 1st rounders can we currently make that trade right now? If Chicago doesn’t agree to take the 23rd pick this year we won’t be able to trade any 1st rounders during the off season because we don’t when our pick will go to Chicago (correct me if I’m wrong)
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Yes the Blazers can trade 3 first rounders currently. They'd be conditionally 2 years after Chicago pick just like the Lakers did when acquiring Nash and Dwight. No agreement with Chicago is necessary.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Hope you’re right but I know if i was Chicago’s GM I’d feel like I had the upper hand and I wouldn’t take anything less than NY’s 1st or a good young player back. We are only a few months away and we’ll find out how Chicago plays it.
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The Knicks first rounder wouldn't be them doing anything unprecedented, that might be seen as the biggest favor they could do us... if that's the way both teams chose to go because that leaves us with all of our picks which means up to 5FRPs and 4 swaps on draft night.

If it's not the 23rd pick though and we do want to access our future firsts, Chicago getting our 2024 first rounder unprotected along with a second rounder or cash would be the likely deal and I would think that an unprotected pick with a sweetener might be worth more than the 23rd. I guess that's what is up to the two front offices to decide but I was just saying that the Bulls won't likely ask for more than that... only because the NBA is extremely political and they don't want to be seen as the team that is unprecedentedly hard to deal with.
 
KAT is a big boy. He looks small next to Gobert....and Gobert looks just as small next to Victor. Damn!

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