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By the time KG got his huge deal, he was already a 2-time all-star.

So he didn't get paid as the #5 pick as a kid coming straight out of HS? That wasn't drafting someone based on potential?

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What the Media is Hiding about Victor Wembanyama

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Victor's French team was bad before he arrrived. Now it's good (2nd place).
He chose a lower-level team to guarantee playing time and usage.
The coach of the Mets92 is Vincent Collet, who is the coach of the French Olympic team.
The higher-level Villeurbanne team is not well-coached and finished last. Luka played for the best team in Europe.
Giannis and Jokic also played in lower-level leagues.
Giannis takes open threes, Victor will take contested threes.

30% from '3'....not good. And the going from a very good team where he was getting multiple injuries, to a bad team where he doesn't get beat up as much, does at least bring up some concerns. Not enough to not take him if you get #1, but there are physical issues that could come up and his shooting certainly isn't what most would think from seeing all the highlight reels.

 

[Natebishop3]

30% from '3'....not good. And the going from a very good team where he was getting multiple injuries, to a bad team where he doesn't get beat up as much, does at least bring up some concerns. Not enough to not take him if you get #1, but there are physical issues that could come up and his shooting certainly isn't what most would think from seeing all the highlight reels.

I just have a feeling he’s gonna be a bust. I never thought that about Oden before the draft. But there doesn’t seem to be a Durant in this draft.

 

[tykendo]

I just have a feeling he’s gonna be a bust. I never thought that about Oden before the draft. But there doesn’t seem to be a Durant in this draft.

To me he has too many skills to be a bust. I think the floor is a Porzingus type player.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I just have a feeling he’s gonna be a bust. I never thought that about Oden before the draft. But there doesn’t seem to be a Durant in this draft.

I think a team like Portland would be a great situation for him if we keep Dame. There will still be pressure on him, but if he can be the 3rd or 4th option on offense he can be brought along "somewhat" slowly. He is still only going to be 19 when the season starts, some patience is going to be needed despite being the #1 pick. Not saying he can't be a factor by playoff time, but he is still going to be a young rookie who needs to adjust to a much higher level of competition while staying healthy. He might be a bust but he still has the highest ceiling in the draft. (Which he probably can touch without jumping)

I just think expectations for him need to be realistic.....he is not going to dominate in his first year. But he can be a nice piece.

 

[Natebishop3]

To me he has too many skills to be a bust. I think the floor is a Porzingus type player.

I think a team like Portland would be a great situation for him if we keep Dame. There will still be pressure on him, but if he can be the 3rd or 4th option on offense he can be brought along "somewhat" slowly. He is still only going to be 19 when the season starts, some patience is going to be needed despite being the #1 pick. Not saying he can't be a factor by playoff time, but he is still going to be a young rookie who needs to adjust to a much higher level of competition while staying healthy. He might be a bust but he still has the highest ceiling in the draft. (Which he probably can touch without jumping)

I just think expectations for him need to be realistic.....he is not going to dominate in his first year. But he can be a nice piece.

to clarify, I think he’s gonna be a bust because I think he’s going to be injured a lot.

 

[Pinwheel1]

to clarify, I think he’s gonna be a bust because I think he’s going to be injured a lot.

Is that based on his height or his past injuries? I can't say I don't worry about centers in general getting hurt, because I do, but why would he be any more vulnerable than anyone else over 7 feet? Maybe if he maxed out at 230 lbs it would help his feet and back in the long run??

 

[Natebishop3]

Is that based on his height or his past injuries? I can't say I don't worry about centers in general getting hurt, because I do, but why would he be any more vulnerable than anyone else over 7 feet? Maybe if he maxed out at 230 lbs it would help his feet and back in the long run??

How many guys that height haven't had health issues?

Manute Bol didn't play many minutes (he averaged 16 mpg for his career) and he pretty much stopped playing full seasons at 29 years old.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolma01.html

Shawn Bradley averaged 23.5 mpg for his career but he missed a lot of games.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlsh01.html

Yao averaged 32.5 minutes per game, and he only played 8 seasons. He did miss a lot of games as well.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mingya01.html

There's just a lot of concerns for a guy that height, especially when he looks so frail.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

to clarify, I think he’s gonna be a bust because I think he’s going to be injured a lot.

I guess some of us have different definitions of bust. To me Michael Beasley and Anthony Bennett were busts. They weren't able to be highly effective NBA players. I don't consider injured guys busts.

 

[Natebishop3]

I guess some of us have different definitions of bust. To me Michael Beasley and Anthony Bennett were busts. They weren't able to be highly effective NBA players. I don't consider injured guys busts.

And yet Oden is on most lists of biggest busts in league history.

I agree that the standard definition is usually related to someone who doesn't live up to the expectations in terms of skill/production. But if you take a guy #1 and ignore potential warning signs about injuries, that's still a bust on the team. There were reports that our medical staff did flag some concerns about Oden.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Here's a summary of Wembanyama's missed games:

• On December 12, 2020, Wembanyma suffered a stress fracture in his fibula during an Espoirs game, missing over 2 months.
• Wembanyama was unable to play for one month at the start of the 2021-22 season because of an undisclosed illness.
• On November 10, 2021, ASVEL announced that Wembanyama would miss two to three weeks with a fractured finger.
• On December 2, 2021, Wembanyama was sidelined after suffering a bone bruise in his right shoulder against Zenit Saint Petersburg, with an estimated recovery time of five weeks.
• On June 3, 2022, Wembanyama was ruled out for the remainder of the season with a psoas muscle injury he sustained during a Pro A semifinal game against JDA Dijon.

All I ask is to be given the chance to make that call on whether or not to draft Wembanyama.

 

[BassPlaya]

Tank to be a loser.

 

[THE HCP]

I guess some of us have different definitions of bust. To me Michael Beasley and Anthony Bennett were busts. They weren't able to be highly effective NBA players. I don't consider injured guys busts.

What this lady said! ^

 

[Pinwheel1]

How many guys that height haven't had health issues?

Manute Bol didn't play many minutes (he averaged 16 mpg for his career) and he pretty much stopped playing full seasons at 29 years old.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolma01.html

Shawn Bradley averaged 23.5 mpg for his career but he missed a lot of games.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlsh01.html

Yao averaged 32.5 minutes per game, and he only played 8 seasons. He did miss a lot of games as well.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mingya01.html

There's just a lot of concerns for a guy that height, especially when he looks so frail.

I don't consider Yao a good comparison since he weighed 311 lbs. That is too much weight for anyone's feet.
Shawn Bradley's list weight was 275 (Which surprised the hell out of me)
Bol ... as you alluded to, looked frail

Victor might be able to stay away from career-ending injuries in his 20s if he does not bulk up too quickly. His agent is adamant that he does not ....for good reason. He now weighs 220 (Supposively) I would top him off at 230 until he is older.

 

[blazerkor]

I don't consider Yao a good comparison since he weighed 311 lbs. That is too much weight for anyone's feet.
Shawn Bradley's list weight was 275 (Which surprised the hell out of me)
Bol ... as you alluded to, looked frail

Victor might be able to stay away from career-ending injuries in his 20s if he does not bulk up too quickly. His agent is adamant that he does not ....for good reason. He now weighs 220 (Supposively) I would top him off at 230 until he is older.

I don't think he is like any of those guys. He's more like KD but just further stretched out. None of those guys moved like this kid moves. So fluid and so much quicker/faster than any of them. I'm not guaranteeing that injuries won't be a problem I just doubt that they are.

 

[blazerkor]

I think Wemby's nickname should be Monsieur Fantastique.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't consider Yao a good comparison since he weighed 311 lbs. That is too much weight for anyone's feet.
Shawn Bradley's list weight was 275 (Which surprised the hell out of me)
Bol ... as you alluded to, looked frail

Victor might be able to stay away from career-ending injuries in his 20s if he does not bulk up too quickly. His agent is adamant that he does not ....for good reason. He now weighs 220 (Supposively) I would top him off at 230 until he is older.

The interesting thing though is that Yao was the only one that averaged near 30 minutes per game, which is what I would expect out of Wemby.

Also I was curious so I looked it up:

Bradley was 245 at the draft.

Yao was 296 at the draft.

 

[tykendo]

Here's a summary of Wembanyama's missed games:

• On December 12, 2020, Wembanyma suffered a stress fracture in his fibula during an Espoirs game, missing over 2 months.
• Wembanyama was unable to play for one month at the start of the 2021-22 season because of an undisclosed illness.
• On November 10, 2021, ASVEL announced that Webmanyama would miss two to three weeks with a fractured finger.
• On December 2, 2021, Wembanyama was sidelined after suffering a bone bruise in his right shoulder against Zenit Saint Petersburg, with an estimated recovery time of five weeks.
• On June 3, 2022, Wembanyama was ruled out for the remainder of the season with a psoas muscle injury he sustained during a Pro A semifinal game against JDA Dijon.

All I ask is to be given the chance to make that call on whether or not to draft Wembanyama.

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As long as he doesn't have feet problems, his body shouldn't be a problem. Most of those injuries could happen to smaller players as well. Plus a lot has to do with his body maturing, and his ability to play nicked up. Toughness is one of the best attributes of an athlete. Mentally & physically.

 

[tykendo]

Also, fans in here talk about getting a haul in return for a player. What kind of realistic "HAUL" could the Blazers get for the rights to draft Wemby if it happens. I mean, if you could get a bonafied allstar, supporting player, and picks in return, would you do it? I mean maybe there's a team that decides to start over, and is willing to take a chance on him actually being that generarational player. Still no guarantee of future success. I don't think the Bucks are ready to do something like that, and i don't know if i trust Embiid to stay healthy . But would Bam, Jimmy Butler, and multiple 1st be enticing, if Miami wanted to do that?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Also, fans in here talk about getting a haul in return for a player. What kind of realistic "HAUL" could the Blazers get for the rights to draft Wemby if it happens. I mean, if you could get a bonafied allstar, supporting player, and picks in return, would you do it? I mean maybe there's a team that decides to start over, and is willing to take a chance on him actually being that generarational player. Still no guarantee of future success. I don't think the Bucks are ready to do something like that, and i don't know if i trust Embiid to stay healthy . But would Bam, Jimmy Butler, and multiple 1st be enticing, if Miami wanted to do that?

Yes absolutely you make that trade, but we would have to send out matching contracts at around 67 million

 

[tykendo]

Blazers would send out Ant, Nurk, Nas, and Reddish to make deal work. Worked on Fanspo

 

[tykendo]

Bam, Grant, Butler, Sharpe, and Dame is pretty awesome. Then you bring in a sharpshooter like Seth Curry to enhance the bench.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Blazers would send out Ant, Nurk, Nas, and Reddish to make deal work. Worked on Fanspo

I don't think Reddish can be included.

 

[tykendo]

I don't think Reddish can be included.

Fanspo, for what it's worth was ok with it. Just going on that.

 

[blazerkor]

Also, fans in here talk about getting a haul in return for a player. What kind of realistic "HAUL" could the Blazers get for the rights to draft Wemby if it happens. I mean, if you could get a bonafied allstar, supporting player, and picks in return, would you do it? I mean maybe there's a team that decides to start over, and is willing to take a chance on him actually being that generarational player. Still no guarantee of future success. I don't think the Bucks are ready to do something like that, and i don't know if i trust Embiid to stay healthy . But would Bam, Jimmy Butler, and multiple 1st be enticing, if Miami wanted to do that?

Yeah, that's a mind blowing offer. So you'd take it but I don't see that offer coming in, so I think we'd most likely take Wemby if we win the lotto. Then we would concentrate on moving pick 23 and future firsts along with the salary needed to bring in an all star forward or center to round out the starting lineup. Then use the TPMLE and possibly the big TPE to round out the bench.

 

[tykendo]

Yeah, that's a mind blowing offer. So you'd take it but I don't see that offer coming in, so I think we'd most likely take Wemby if we win the lotto. Then we would concentrate on moving pick 23 and future firsts along with the salary needed to bring in an all star forward or center to round out the starting lineup. Then use the TPMLE and possibly the big TPE to round out the bench.

Probably so, but you never know.

 

[wizenheimer]

from my view, the closest physical comparison I can come up with for Wemby is Ralph Sampson. Same height and body type. Sampson started his career with 3 straight healthy seasons, then the injuries started piling up. His career was essentially over at 28, but that was only his 6th season in the NBA.

 

[Hoopguru]

How many teams will Wemby work out for? 1 at most solo.
Will he play summer league? he should

 

[SharpesTriumph]

from my view, the closest physical comparison I can come up with for Wemby is Ralph Sampson. Same height and body type. Sampson started his career with 3 straight healthy seasons, then the injuries started piling up. His career was essentially over at 28, but that was only his 6th season in the NBA.

Got to the finals with Olajuwon too.

 

[Pinwheel1]

from my view, the closest physical comparison I can come up with for Wemby is Ralph Sampson. Same height and body type. Sampson started his career with 3 straight healthy seasons, then the injuries started piling up. His career was essentially over at 28, but that was only his 6th season in the NBA.

Kareem is a pretty close comparison in size. (Listed weight at 7'2 225) and he played over 1500 games until he was 42.
Maybe smoking lots of weed is the answer. Again....Portland is perfect for Victor.