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What the hell are you talking about? This is classic Trail Blazer fantasy stuff. You don’t tank an entire season for a 33 percent chance of getting a great player. Portland could very easily throw away an entire season for nothing. And considering Portland’s track record, that’s exactly what would happen.
What the hell are you talking about? He's only countering the narative that the current roster + VW couldn't contend, not saying that they should tank. Lighten up Francis.

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Not a fan of Winslow or Keon? I kind of like both.

I enjoy rooting for them as I did with Steve Blake, John Crotty, and Stacey Augmon.

In the terms of future playoff success they are irrelevant bench role players.
 
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but the way the team is playing right now, we don't actually need to tank. We're bad enough to get there honestly.

LOL; yeah, I'm not certain either way yet. But from what I've seen there are only 4 clearly worse teams in the west; Thunder/Rockets/Jazz/Spurs.

We're right there with the Kings and Lakers trying to get up to the group of likely playoff teams starting with the Wolves and Pelicans.

Grizzlies/Clippers/Warriors/Mavs/Suns/Nuggets are all a clear tier above the Blazers.
 
Well, the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. Second best time is now.

I hate the idea of trading Dame, but when I look at what Utah got for their clearance sale, it seems to me a way better route than what we've got right now. Dame can be traded Jan 8, and he's making almost exactly the same as Westbrook. Those 2026 and 2027 picks could be absolute gold once LeBron is done. We wouldn't necessarily have to sit on them--but could use them as further trade assets in another deal. But there are probably much better deals out there to get us underway on our rebuild.
That's the obvious trade, but... Dame in Yellow and Purple? Ugh.

But yeah, it would've been a lot better if we'd gone this far down the road.

If only people listened to me!
 
My big concern is that I don't want to get caught in no mans' land. An effective rebuild means trading some high-priced vets (eg Hart, Grant, Nurk) for either picks or younger, cheaper talent while giving the younger players a chance to really show what they can do. The probabilities are that most or all will crater - but that is an unavoidable pain in birthing a new team. There simply are no guarantees. Any path forward can fail, and we all just need to accept that.

Sadly, this off-season leads me to doubt Cronin's willingness to pick a path and stick to it. Trading future assets for Grant and making a huge financial investment to keep a non-contending roster together while drafting a long-term project like Sharpie smacks of someone just making it up as he goes along.
 
LOL; yeah, I'm not certain either way yet. But from what I've seen there are only 4 clearly worse teams in the west; Thunder/Rockets/Jazz/Spurs.

We need to step it up to be clearly better than the Jazz and Spurs... I assume we will, but it doesn't look good right now.
 
Has a team ever gone into a season in tank mode before the season started, when a major injury to a significant player was not part of the equation?
This threads blowing my mind!
 
Has a team ever gone into a season in tank mode before the season started, when a major injury to a significant player was not part of the equation?
This threads blowing my mind!
It becomes a cultural thing. Losing breeds losing. If you tank once (Which they did) it becomes an acceptable notion. Evident by the very idea that it could help this team at this point. The fans have started to accept it and think it might work.

Never Tank. Losers try to lose.
 
This might be more interesting as a poll; when should the Blazers pivot the season to tanking?

Some would say now
Some would say never
I'd venture most would say if at x number of losses after y number of games. Just not sure what that is.
 
This might be more interesting as a poll; when should the Blazers pivot the season to tanking?

Some would say now
Some would say never
I'd venture most would say if at x number of losses after y number of games. Just not sure what that is.

If we are 10 games or more below 500 at game 41?
Start the tank.
 
It becomes a cultural thing. Losing breeds losing. If you tank once (Which they did) it becomes an acceptable notion. Evident by the very idea that it could help this team at this point. The fans have started to accept it and think it might work.

Never Tank. Losers try to lose.

If this team was a move away from contending I'd be all for the lets try to win direction.

I'd say that was the case during the majority of the DameCJ era. The team was never a contender; but they were always a key all star level wing away from being there IMO. Yes it might have been unlikely they were going to get that player; but it wasn't an extremely distant far fetched possibility. Over a decade many team draft players in the middle of the draft who bust out and fulfil that potential.

But the problem is now the Blazers aren't just one move from contending. They are multiple unlikely moves from contending, as my list of 4 needed moves above showed.

I'm all for trying to win if it can eventually lead to building something. But the current direction of this franchise is on a path to long term mediocrity at best with little realistic hope for improvement. I fear that won't change until we get new ownership.

Dark times ahead.
 
The team will probably suck as is currently constructed.

The team doesn't have assets to significantly improve in trade.

The team doesn't have notable young talent to improve internally.

The team appears to have mediocre if not outright poor management, when defining management as both the GM & Ownership.

So the problem is even if the Blazers go forth and start tanking, and even hitting the miracle of drafting Wembanyama; it will likely not lead this franchise to contend.

So what the hell should we want to have happen? It just seems like we have a horrible choice of trying to avoid the most shitty option.

Thanks Jody!
 
Has a team ever gone into a season in tank mode before the season started, when a major injury to a significant player was not part of the equation?
This threads blowing my mind!
It could happen but this is way early but when I consider this board it's no surprise, I'd prefer to shit can this thread to after the first 20 games or so, but yeah good luck with that! LOL
 
Hey Sly, please close this thread down! Thanks Buddy...
 
If this team was a move away from contending I'd be all for the lets try to win direction.

I'd say that was the case during the majority of the DameCJ era. The team was never a contender; but they were always a key all star level wing away from being there IMO. Yes it might have been unlikely they were going to get that player; but it wasn't an extremely distant far fetched possibility. Over a decade many team draft players in the middle of the draft who bust out and fulfil that potential.

But the problem is now the Blazers aren't just one move from contending. They are multiple unlikely moves from contending, as my list of 4 needed moves above showed.

I'm all for trying to win if it can eventually lead to building something. But the current direction of this franchise is on a path to long term mediocrity at best with little realistic hope for improvement. I fear that won't change until we get new ownership.

Dark times ahead.
Are you trying to say adding a all star level player to Lillard, Simons, Nurk, Grant, Little, GP2, Hart won’t be a contender?
 
All but about 3 - 4 teams in the league are either in reload, rebuild mode. Thats the way the NBA wants it, as The NBA is Fantastic!
Give the mediocre teams a chance to make the po's and hope for the improbable. Its drives the revenue that pays 18-21 year olds millions to develop their games so their teams can be excited for the next step.
Its the biggest marketing ploy to hit sports by expanding playoffs and even in-season tourneys.
 
It becomes a cultural thing. Losing breeds losing. If you tank once (Which they did) it becomes an acceptable notion. Evident by the very idea that it could help this team at this point. The fans have started to accept it and think it might work.

Never Tank. Losers try to lose.
Yes the losers lose. But as a result, winners like VW join the team and you can trade the losers.
 
The team will probably suck as is currently constructed.

The team doesn't have assets to significantly improve in trade.

The team doesn't have notable young talent to improve internally.

The team appears to have mediocre if not outright poor management, when defining management as both the GM & Ownership.

So the problem is even if the Blazers go forth and start tanking, and even hitting the miracle of drafting Wembanyama; it will likely not lead this franchise to contend.

So what the hell should we want to have happen? It just seems like we have a horrible choice of trying to avoid the most shitty option.

Thanks Jody!
Whichever team gets VW will contend. He’s like Shaq and LeBron who took their original teams from the basement to Finals in 4 seasons.
 
I disagree on that. Add another All Star to this team and they are in the playoffs for sure and probably move from a 789 team to a 345 team.

Even if so, that's nowhere near being a contender. The DameCJ teams were 3 seeds twice and never a contender. Only longshot contender the Blazers have had was maybe the Aldridge team before Wes Achilles.

When was the last Blazers contender before that? I'd say 2001 team before it collapsed when signing Rod Strickland.

When will the next Blazers contender team be formed? Sadly, it's highly unlikely to happen during the remaining years of an all-star Dame Blazers career.
 
Whichever team gets VW will contend. He’s like Shaq and LeBron who took their original teams from the basement to Finals in 4 seasons.
I remember people saying that about Oden and Durant.
 
A couple of thoughts on this:
  • The commitment to rebuilding/tanking should have been made when we fired Olshey. Before we traded parts of our future for Grant. Before we gave Ant such a large deal. Before we gave Dame half of Oregon as an extension.
  • The team has looked lousy in the preseason, but there's been nothing that should change anyone's mind about how successful this team is going to be... I see our team being mediocre, best case, over the next couple of years and so I see the results so far this preseason and nod my head, thinking I have stuff figured out. Others who see a team that will challenge for HCA will look at the the results and shrug and presumably say the games don't matter, and they'll have the same optimism that the current roster will gel and stay healthy and do all the goo d things.

honestly, I'm not being antagonistic with this post...but I did chuckle a little seeing you post this and seeing the three posters who liked it. I'll grant that you guys are at least consistent. And you're going to be consistently unhappy because Dame is not being traded any time soon. Forget about that ship sailing, I don't think it ever left the harbor
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* "traded parts of our future for Grant"....wut? A 2025 Milwaukee 1st round pick? a couple of 2nds 4 and 5 years from now? When Portland got that 1st you guys were saying it was essentially worthless. Now it's a valuable future asset wasted? Bitching about those particular future parts seems to go off on a weird tangent to me

* "Before we gave Ant such a large deal"....I agree on this, and I'd add Nurkic's deal too. I thought that Ant & Nurk's combined deals should be in the 30-35M/year range; not 43M/year. At the same time though, considering where the cap & tax are heading, an extra 8-12M/year is not much of a burden. And of course, if Ant continues his ascension and Nurk manages stays healthy, those deals might be more than fine

* the way you framed the narrative with your view being 'realistic' and the opposing view being the HCA believers who would just ignore results if they weren't good is about 99.8% malarkey. I think the vast majority of Blazer fans, and posters here, stake out a middle ground that reaches from late lottery to perhaps the 6th seed. Now maybe, that will just be more mediocrity, but at the very least that mediocrity will have a much different flavor than the painfully stale mediocrity of the stupid fucking olshey decade

which leads me to this thought: it sure seems to me that you and your 3 amigos, who have been railing about the trades for 9 months, somehow have convinced yourselves that the mediocrity of CJ-Powell-Nance was much better than whatever Grant-Hart-Sharpe can deliver. That just seems ridiculous to me. The team Portland had last January had absolutely no upside at all. It was baked into a dead end of purgatory. And it was boring as hell. Fuck that terminally ill team and the 7 years of reboots that olshey inflicted on all of us. Thankfully Oregon is a Death With Dignity state
 
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