Tank for Wembanyama

[blazerkor]

I am still of the conviction of the following:

#1 - Draft Wemby
#2-4: Trade for a star and include less assets
#5-9: Trade for a star but have to include more assets.

I think the only we we use the pick is if we get #1. Otherwise, it will be combined with the NYK pick and Ant? + Sharpe? to get a big time player.

.....unless Dame finally asks out. Then we use all the picks to rebuild. I'm not suggesting he does, but if we get #1 and don't trade it, we are still in rebuild mode and it is a legit question, regardless of how loyal he is, to wonder if he would want to wait around another 2-3 years while Wemby and Sharpe continue to develop. If we don't include a top lotto pick, we either wouldn't have enough to trade for another big time player, or would have to gut the team to do so.

I don't know, we could draft Wemby and still have 4 FRPs to deal along with Ant and Nurk to match salaries and that should return an all star.

 

[blazerkor]

Fair enough friend. Going to be an interesting offseason for us in a lot of ways.

I'm bright siding it a bit but believe me I waffle between thinking something really positive will happen and...

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Im scared of picking this guy.
Our history. The style of basketball now.
I think id rather go after Miller and hope he turns into an all star.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Im scared of picking this guy.
Our history. The style of basketball now.
I think id rather go after Miller and hope he turns into an all star.

Haven't watched any CBB this year, but I'll be passing very close attention to how that Alabama team performs over the next couple weeks.

 

[Hoopguru]

After having the 7th pick last year, and it looks as if we will have another lottery pick & one coming up, I would think Dame is counting on going all in for a block buster deal for some immediate star power help. The pick from last year hasn't contributed at all to making a leap this year so why would he think doing the same next year, with young-in's, would be different? Don't get too excited about playing draft monopoly as those assets along with players will be dealt. Thats just my opinion and how to make since of any of this.

 

[Samuel]

The pick from last year hasn't contributed at all to making a leap this year so why would he think doing the same next year, with young-in's, would be different?

TBF, most of the prospects this year have played a significant amount of youth ball, high school ball, and actually played in college.

That's not true of Sharpe on any level. He's as inexperienced as you'll find in this era.

I'd absolutely take a sharp-shooting Desmond Bane rookie year in the rotation next season.

 

[blazerkor]

After having the 7th pick last year, and it looks as if we will have another lottery pick & one coming up, I would think Dame is counting on going all in for a block buster deal for some immediate star power help. The pick from last year hasn't contributed at all to making a leap this year so why would he think doing the same next year, with young-in's, would be different? Don't get too excited about playing draft monopoly as those assets along with players will be dealt. Thats just my opinion and how to make since of any of this.

I agree unless it's Wemby... he's the highest rated prospect since LeBron. Since we would still have up to four FRPs to move along with players to get an all star to play with Dame, I would think Dame and the team would want to see if Wemby could help during Dame's prime and after.

 

[wizenheimer]

might be a lot of things at work here

to start with, I think after this trade deadline, Cronin and the front office have a pretty good idea of the value the rest of the league places on Blazer players. Personally, I don't think it's very high at all. So, they will know going into the draft just how much leverage their assets will create when added to draft pick(s)

again, I don't think the leverage will be all that high unless it's a top-3 pick. But if it's a top-3 pick then the chances that the player drafted will have as big an impact on winning as any player landed in a trade are probably high. I also think the front office can look at situations like Minny and Phoenix along with past instances and gauge that mortgaging a bunch of future picks and swaps is extremely risky. If Portland had OG instead of Ant right now, how much better would they really be?...especially if they didn't have their draft pick? Or if they had Siakam instead of Ant and Nurkic would they even be as high as 6th seed?

I'd also guess that the F.O. has communicated these notions to Dame. Maybe Dame wants a big trade no matter what; or maybe he actually can understand the situation and wants to remain in Portland, no matter what

bottom line is I think Portland would be foolish to give away a bunch of first round picks & Sharpe for the kind of upgrade I think might be realistically available. It won't be a player like Giannis or Tatum. It might not even be a player the level of Siakam

look at what the top players from the 2021 draft are doing in their sophomore seasons:

Jalen Green is averaging 22-4-4; Evam Mobley is averaging 16-9-3 and having a big impact on Cleveland's defense; Scottie Barnes is averaging 16-7-5, plays good defense, and has great length; Josh Giddey is averaging 16-8-6; Franz Wagner is averaging 19-4-4 while shooting well from 3 at 6'9. Players like those would help just about as much as somebody like Siakam and they'd be on rookie contracts for 4 years

 

[Whyachi]

The NBA needs San Antonio to start stepping up. I think the Spurs will get Wemby.

 

[BBert]

Trade Wemby. We don't have 3 years to wait on this stick figure.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[LayneStaley]

Hypothetical, if we end up with the 3rd pick would you package that in a deal for someone in the KAT range or keep the pick?

 

[Cugel]

Hypothetical, if we end up with the 3rd pick would you package that in a deal for someone in the KAT range or keep the pick?

good question and it may become very relevant. I think KAT is one of the few all-star level guys that could be available. Derozan? Butler?

 

[KingSpeed]

Hypothetical, if we end up with the 3rd pick would you package that in a deal for someone in the KAT range or keep the pick?

Yes for KAT.

 

[TBpup]

Tied for 6th place which would give the Blazers a 37% chance of jumping into the Top 4. That is an asset that could really help.

 

[Chris Craig]

Tied for 6th place which would give the Blazers a 37% chance of jumping into the Top 4. That is an asset that could really help.

Probably just fall backwards again.

 

[PCmor7]

I'm not sure anymore. Watching what I've seen in the last few weeks, I don't think anything short of a generational talent falling into the Blazers' lap is enough to even be a winning team.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is it correct that we couldn't trade the pick? We'd have to make the pick and trade the player?

 

[illmatic99]

Is it correct that we couldn't trade the pick? We'd have to make the pick and trade the player?

i don't think it's much of a hindrance. we can always make a pick for the team we trade it to if we do.

i also think this calculus changes once the NY pick conveys into our possession officially also once the Knicks get into the playoffs

 

[Tince]

 

[Natebishop3]

Actually, it would be more like...

 

[blazerfan11]

 

[Fairly-Hard]

This is NOT a dog?

 

[Mediocre Man]

So the good news is that it doesn’t appear that we actually need to tank in order to have a shot at Wemby. Just let our coach do his thing

 

[Natebishop3]

So the good news is that it doesn’t appear that we actually need to tank in order to have a shot at Wemby. Just let our coach do his thing

They’re just making the right moves to put us in a position to repeat as SL champs.

 

[damianlillard]

Hypothetical, if we end up with the 3rd pick would you package that in a deal for someone in the KAT range or keep the pick?

No!! We would have to include salaries to match that. Brandon miller is gonna be better than KAT by year 3 and actually play winning basketball

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hypothetical, if we end up with the 3rd pick would you package that in a deal for someone in the KAT range or keep the pick?

This probably deserves it own thread. At what point in the draft is the potential drafted player less valuable than a player like OG or KAT?

 

[wizenheimer]

Hypothetical, if we end up with the 3rd pick would you package that in a deal for someone in the KAT range or keep the pick?

depends on the player but it sure the the fuck wouldn't be KAT; looks at his contract(s):



he's not anywhere close to the zip-code of being worth that

my take: if Portland had the 3rd pick they still wouldn't have the leverage to trade for a good enough player to warrant losing the pick. Ant & Nurkic don't have much value as tradable contracts meaning the Blazers would have to add a lot more draft capital. And the Blazers would be stupid to mortgage their future for a player like Siakam

keep the pick because there is no quick fix for the decade of mismanagement by Olshey

 

[wizenheimer]

Is it correct that we couldn't trade the pick? We'd have to make the pick and trade the player?

if the Knicks are in the playoffs, Portland could trade their own pick because they'd still have a first and not violate the Septien Rule

 

[KeepOnRollin]

depends on the player but it sure the the fuck wouldn't by KAT; looks at his contract(s):

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he's not anywhere close to the zip-code of being worth that

my take: if Portland had the 3rd pick they still wouldn't have the leverage to trade for a good enough player to warrant losing the pick. Ant & Nurkic don't have much value as tradable contracts meaning the Blazers would have to add a lot more draft capital. And the Blazers would be stupid to mortgage their future for a player like Siakam

keep the pick because there is no quick fix for the decade of mismanagement by Olshey

I know all contracts are going through the roof but man, that KAT contract is cringe-worthy!