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I get what yore saying but I think with very big dudes the percentage of serious injuries are higher. I recall a radio interview with Odens college coach where he did mention he had. issues with his knee and lower back but he could could play in the upcoming tourney.
Stress fractures in the fibula has to be a serious concern for a 18 year old his size.
really? If you're a Doc, I'm all ears as to your opinion. Even better if you saw the play that caused the injury or were you privy to the X-Rays, that would be something. If you're just a shmoe (like me) I'll wait for people who have an actual clue what constitutes a serious concern to weigh in as I don't place any value on health speculations from random posters.

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really? If you're a Doc, I'm all ears as to your opinion. Even better if you saw the play that caused the injury or were you privy to the X-Rays, that would be something. If you're just a shmoe (like me) I'll wait for people who have an actual clue what constitutes a serious concern to weigh in as I don't place any value on health speculations from random posters.

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Just an old shmoe that has an opinion as to what might be cause for concern...Hope he has a long career and ends up breaking LeBron's scoring record.....
 
Just an old shmoe that has an opinion as to what might be cause for concern...Hope he has a long career and ends up breaking LeBron's scoring record.....

I hope, if he's a Blazer, he breaks Bill Russells record for titles.
 
His body type... who else would you describe as having his body type? There are very few players ever who were even close to his size, but Kareem and Wilt spring to mind as long/tall guys who enjoyed long careers with relatively few injuries.

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Bradley and Bol are probably the best comparisons with long careers. Maybe Yao? Although Yao had a much broader base. Bol Bol? Of young players, Chet is probably the closest.

Jabar and Wilt were shorter and both much more muscular. Wilt was in Conan with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jabar kicked Bruce Lee's ass. Let me know when Wemba does that.
 
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Bradley and Bol are probably the best comparisons with long careers. Maybe Yao? Although Yao had a much broader base. Bol Bol? Of young players, Chet is probably the closest.

Jabar and Wilt were shorter and both much more muscular. Wilt was in Conan with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jabar kicked Bruce Lee's ass. Let me know when Wemba does that.

You're comparing KAJ as a 30 year old (when he was in the movie with Bruce Lee).

I was looking at the past drafts, and getting depressed at how unlikely it is that the #1 pick will fall to Portland. :/
 
Ralph Sampson seems the closest match to body type & style for VW. He only missed 3 games over his first 3 seasons. After that all he had was injury plagued seasons, only playing 61 games over his final 3 seasons before retiring at 31

the other guys mentioned here as comps, like Bradley, Illgauskas, etc. may have been long and lanky but they weren't twig-legs like VW. Maybe it's good that he's so light, but it sure wasn't good so far for Holmgren
 
ORL gets the win against the Wiz last night and is now only 1 win in front of Portland for the #5 Lottery spot. The Blazers eeking out that road win against the Magic could come back to haunt them. The Magic only have a couple of projected 'winnable' games left. It will still be tough for Portland to catch them.

  • #5: 10.5% chance of #1.....42.1% chance of Top-4
  • #6: 9% chance of #1.....37.2% chance of Top 4
 
what are the alternatives to Wemby? realistically we will get a other player, who else is on yall list ?
 
what are the alternatives to Wemby? realistically we will get a other player, who else is on yall list ?
Trading the pick for proven talent is who else is on my list. I really think Miller could be great, Scoot is obviously really good and even the twins are extremely promising but Wemby is the only reason why we would take a player who wouldn't be bringing their most impactful seasons while Dame is still one of the biggest beasts in the game. Tons of teams would give up a ready to go all star/all nba guy to get their hands on one of those guys or later guys along with Ant and Nurk and future picks.
 
ORL gets the win against the Wiz last night and is now only 1 win in front of Portland for the #5 Lottery spot. The Blazers eeking out that road win against the Magic could come back to haunt them. The Magic only have a couple of projected 'winnable' games left. It will still be tough for Portland to catch them.

  • #5: 10.5% chance of #1.....42.1% chance of Top-4
  • #6: 9% chance of #1.....37.2% chance of Top 4
Magic had a 5-20 start but since then, they’ve played like a playoff team at 25-23. They’ll prob win half of their remaining games.
 
Ralph Sampson seems the closest match to body type & style for VW. He only missed 3 games over his first 3 seasons. After that all he had was injury plagued seasons, only playing 61 games over his final 3 seasons before retiring at 31

the other guys mentioned here as comps, like Bradley, Illgauskas, etc. may have been long and lanky but they weren't twig-legs like VW. Maybe it's good that he's so light, but it sure wasn't good so far for Holmgren

I wonder, much like I do with Oden, if his injuries are a symptom of the time as much as the man?

I don't recall the story behind Ralphs injuries, I think he slipped and hurt his knee? And probably came back too quick (he even admitted as much). And with Oden, I wonder if his surgeries were really necessary and instead of being the "catch all be all" fix that has all but disappeared from the sports world.

Bowie and Walton had bone issues, iirc, but I think both might have been rushed back into service.

Look at Zydrunas Ilgauskas used to play for the Cavs. Had foot issues the first years of his career, but from age 26-35 was pretty consistent on the court.

Look at Geoff Petrie, he played only 6 seasons and had to retire early. I wonder if he had been born 30 years later, that his career might've been much longer.

I realized Petrie isn't a C, but I brought him up to compare how different times were back in the past, even as recent as 15 years ago.
 
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Magic had a 5-20 start but since then, they’ve played like a playoff team at 25-23. They’ll prob win half of their remaining games.
Unless they do what we're doing and start pulling the guys that could get them the wins. I don't know why they would let us out tank them but their roster is a little deeper with young talent so they may pull their better guys and still fuck up and win a few more games... we won't have that problem.

Tonight is the only game that worries me but Vegas has them as solid favorites to win -200 and a 4.5 point spread. The fact that they're only paying one dollar on every two dollars bet on the Jazz on the money line is a pretty strong endorsement from the bookies because they obviously are not incentivizing a bet on the Jazz winning.
 
Anyone remember Shawn Bradley? While he's had a tragic accident (bicycling, of all things) since retiring, he was able to move pretty well on the court despite being a stick and about VW's height. Of course, he SUCKED (although he blocked a lot of shots), but he didn't end up like Oden. VW is like Kevin Durant crossed with Shawn Bradley.
 
I wonder, much like I do with Oden, if his injuries are a symptom of the time as much as the man?

I don't recall the story behind Ralphs injuries, I think he slipped and hurt his knee? And probably came back too quick (he even admitted as much). And with Oden, I wonder if his surgeries were really necessary and instead of being the "catch all be all" fix that has all but disappeared from the sports world.

Bowie and Walton had bone issues, iirc, but I think both might have been rushed back into service.

Look at Zydrunas Ilgauskas used to play for the Cavs. Had foot issues the first years of his career, but from age 26-35 was pretty consistent on the court.

Look at Geoff Petrie, he played only 6 seasons and had to retire early. I wonder if he had been born 30 years later, that his career might've been much longer.

I realized Petrie isn't a C, but I brought him up to compare how different times were back in the past, even as recent as 15 years ago.
Embiid missed his first two seasons and only played 37 in his third. Now he may win MVP.
 
Unless they do what we're doing and start pulling the guys that could get them the wins. I don't know why they would let us out tank them but their roster is a little deeper with young talent so they may pull their better guys and still fuck up and win a few more games... we won't have that problem.

Tonight is the only game that worries me but Vegas has them as solid favorites to win -200 and a 4.5 point spread. The fact that they're only paying one dollar on every two dollars bet on the Jazz on the money line is a pretty strong endorsement from the bookies because they obviously are not incentivizing a bet on the Jazz winning.
Who’s being pulled?
 
Are they being pulled or are they hurt? If they’re just being pulled, why is Dame playing?
I’m pretty sure Dame is playing to make sure his stats show up on the end of the year lists, so he has a better chance of being recognized for his excellence. Or maybe he’s just stubborn and it’s taking him a little bit of time to come to grips with the fact that this season has been the best he’s played but was ultimately wasted on a team that never had a chance.
 
I’m pretty sure Dame is playing to make sure his stats show up on the end of the year lists, so he has a better chance of being recognized for his excellence. Or maybe he’s just stubborn and it’s taking him a little bit of time to come to grips with the fact that this season has been the best he’s played but was ultimately wasted on a team that never had a chance.
I disagree that they never had a chance. This roster, even with injuries, and with a weak conference, should’ve won half their games. And Dame as leader of the team should take some of the flack for it. 31-40 is unacceptable.
 
Bradley and Bol are probably the best comparisons with long careers. Maybe Yao? Although Yao had a much broader base. Bol Bol? Of young players, Chet is probably the closest.

Jabar and Wilt were shorter and both much more muscular. Wilt was in Conan with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jabar kicked Bruce Lee's ass. Let me know when Wemba does that.
I should let you know when VW kicks a guys ass who has been dead for 50 years or in a movie with a 75 year old has-been action star? Wat???

& I don't see much body equivalence in your comparisons other then they're tall... okay Bradley (who reportedly didn't really like hoops or working out) holds a little. Regardless this conversation is too stupid for me to continue

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Well poop. I think their chances at #1 took a big hit tonight.
 
Look at Geoff Petrie, he played only 6 seasons and had to retire early. I wonder if he had been born 30 years later, that his career might've been much longer.

I realized Petrie isn't a C, but I brought him up to compare how different times were back in the past, even as recent as 15 years ago.
Certainly medical options/expertise have evolved dramatically over the past decades. I've heard Rick Barry bemoan how a knee injury he suffered early in his career & dogged his athleticism/ability throughout would have been a routine arthroscopy surgery by the 80s. Hoops is a rough game on the body. Not everyone is put together well enough to take the pounding of running and jumping on hardwood & of course a single bad luck moment like coming down on someone's foot or getting hit on the side of the knee could dramatically change the course of a player's career. The bad luck portion of this could happen to any player in any game and isn't related to body type, height or musculature. How a prospect is put together is what I'm concerned with. If they have flat feet, a wonky spine or some other structural issue, their career is much more likely to be injury plagued and shortened. These sorts of things are pretty much impossible for fans to assess by watching games but they are absolutely what I expect a competent franchise to red flag.

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Well poop. I think their chances at #1 took a big hit tonight.

odds for #1 went from 9% to 7.5%. Odds for top-4 went from 37% to 32%

not a drastic drop-off from #6 to #7. But there is a large drop-off from #6 to #8. Time to sit Dame & blatantly tank, IMO. All the other teams around Portland will be doing that in one fashion or another
 
odds for #1 went from 9% to 7.5%. Odds for top-4 went from 37% to 32%

not a drastic drop-off from #6 to #7. But there is a large drop-off from #6 to #8. Time to sit Dame & blatantly tank, IMO. All the other teams around Portland will be doing that in one fashion or another

Yeah..... I love that Shaedon balled out, but getting wins right now is not good.
 
I disagree that they never had a chance. This roster, even with injuries, and with a weak conference, should’ve won half their games. And Dame as leader of the team should take some of the flack for it. 31-40 is unacceptable.

Dude, we're playing Trendon Watford and Eubanks 20+ minutes per night.
Watford is 6'8 and all he can do is layups and 15ft floaters...
31-40 is about right.
 

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