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Samuel said:
Oh, just that some of the names being tossed around aren’t, in my opinion, worth sending out a lotto pick for; and I’m skeptical some of the real difference makers will be available at a price that actually makes sense.
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It'll definitely be a gamble. Of the rumors, only Jaylen Brown seems like a significant player, ie a difference maker. Although I'd be very happy with either OG or Bridges... unfortunately it seems likely to be that pick (unless it's Wemby!) and more picks and players for the aforementioned Brown, OG, or Bridges.

Cronin has telegraphed our plan, so it'll be interesting to see what happens. Regardless, I'm ready to see what going-for-it looks like. At least, I think I am.
 
Propagandist said:
It'll definitely be a gamble. Of the rumors, only Jaylen Brown seems like a significant player, ie a difference maker. Although I'd be very happy with either OG or Bridges... unfortunately it seems likely to be that pick (unless it's Wemby!) and more picks and players for the aforementioned Brown, OG, or Bridges.

Cronin has telegraphed our plan, so it'll be interesting to see what happens. Regardless, I'm ready to see what going-for-it looks like. At least, I think I am.
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Dame has done more to telegraph the teams plans than Cronin

The outcome will more than likely be an overpayment for a good but not great player. We will go into the season with one of our best rosters in recent years, and then get bounced in the first or second round because our offense is too easy to guard in the playoffs
 
Propagandist said:
It'll definitely be a gamble. Of the rumors, only Jaylen Brown seems like a significant player, ie a difference maker. Although I'd be very happy with either OG or Bridges... unfortunately it seems likely to be that pick (unless it's Wemby!) and more picks and players for the aforementioned Brown, OG, or Bridges.

Cronin has telegraphed our plan, so it'll be interesting to see what happens. Regardless, I'm ready to see what going-for-it looks like. At least, I think I am.
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it won't be OG, IMO; he's not worth a top-7 pick, plus more, and I don't think Cronin of the F.O, believe otherwise. It might be Siakam though

Portland is in a fence-straddling bind that was a decade in the making, so, none of the paths from this point are certain or that attractive. If the Blazers do go for it this summer, at least they chose a side of the fence to stand on.

Mediocre Man said:
The outcome will more than likely be an overpayment for a good but not great player. We will go into the season with one of our best rosters in recent years, and then get bounced in the first or second round because our offense is too easy to guard in the playoffs
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that could very well be the outcome. But are you implying that after having the 5th worst record in the NBA, in a single off-season elevating the roster to the level of a 2nd round playoff team is a failure? Why would that be a failure? It could 'easily' mean that a subsequent move or transaction could make them a dark-horse contender....which would be the best place the Blazers have been since the Pippen/Rasheed/Sabonis team

there really seems to be a mindset around this place that if the Blazers can't become a contender this summer, basically with one trade, the summer is a failure. That makes no sense to me
 
wizenheimer said:
it won't be OG, IMO; he's not worth a top-7 pick, plus more, and I don't think Cronin of the F.O, believe otherwise. It might be Siakam though

Portland is in a fence-straddling bind that was a decade in the making, so, none of the paths from this point are certain or that attractive. If the Blazers do go for it this summer, at least they chose a side of the fence to stand on.



that could very well be the outcome. But are you implying that after having the 5th worst record in the NBA, in a single off-season elevating the roster to the level of a 2nd round playoff team is a failure? Why would that be a failure? It could 'easily' mean that a subsequent move or transaction could make them a dark-horse contender....which would be the best place the Blazers have been since the Pippen/Rasheed/Sabonis team

there really seems to be a mindset around this place that if the Blazers can't become a contender this summer, basically with one trade, the summer is a failure. That makes no sense to me
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The failure is borne of the idea that Portland is going to mortgage their entire future of the next 8+ seasons on this gamble to placate Dame when this club has been mismanaged his entire career. If Portland surrenders this lottery pick, four future firsts and 4 pick swaps and Ant for a first or second round exit on players that can leave after one season, yes, that can and will be considered a failure by everyone, especially Dame and media. It's not like we are trying for Durant, who had 3 years left on his contract when the Suns traded for him. Many here want Brown, who is duplication of Sharpe, who could bounce after a season. Same with Siakam, a 3-4 tweener who rebounds a little better than Grant who he basically duplicates and can bounce after the season too. Bridges, Bam and Embiid are hopefully seen as unobtainable here. The players available are Collins, Simmons, Gobert/KAT and players like this that personally I would not want anything to do with. Especially after Dame has been on his world tour making sure every GM sees his desperation, allowing them to bend Cronin over. Yes, I am resigned to Portland is gonna muck the future up. It is the Portland way, keep it weird.
 
BIG Q said:
The failure is borne of the idea that Portland is going to mortgage their entire future of the next 8+ seasons on this gamble to placate Dame when this club has been mismanaged his entire career. If Portland surrenders this lottery pick, four future firsts and 4 pick swaps and Ant for a first or second round exit
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oh for chrissakes...not only the the absolute worst case scenario, but the absolute most stupid case scenario...and that's the gauge you expect me to argue in favor of? GTFO

LOL....5 first round picks, including a top-5 pick, and 4 pick swaps...for who exactly?...and when did they suspend the CBA?
 
wizenheimer said:
it won't be OG, IMO; he's not worth a top-7 pick, plus more, and I don't think Cronin of the F.O, believe otherwise. It might be Siakam though

Portland is in a fence-straddling bind that was a decade in the making, so, none of the paths from this point are certain or that attractive. If the Blazers do go for it this summer, at least they chose a side of the fence to stand on.



that could very well be the outcome. But are you implying that after having the 5th worst record in the NBA, in a single off-season elevating the roster to the level of a 2nd round playoff team is a failure? Why would that be a failure? It could 'easily' mean that a subsequent move or transaction could make them a dark-horse contender....which would be the best place the Blazers have been since the Pippen/Rasheed/Sabonis team

there really seems to be a mindset around this place that if the Blazers can't become a contender this summer, basically with one trade, the summer is a failure. That makes no sense to me
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I want the Blazers to compete some time soon. I am of the belief that it can’t given our current assets and money going out
 
wizenheimer said:
oh for chrissakes...not only the the absolute worst case scenario, but the absolute most stupid case scenario...and that's the gauge you expect me to argue in favor of? GTFO

LOL....5 first round picks, including a top-5 pick, and 4 pick swaps...for who exactly?...and when did they suspend the CBA?
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Those picks along with Ant (even some include Sharpe and I forgot all the second rounders and 23 from NY) and other filler are the assets Portland has available for this endeavor. I think that is easily agreeable as many posters have been tossing them around here in various trade scenarios. I wasn't proposing a trade, I never do or have. I just provided an inventory list of assets and what posters here are more than willing to give up to strap the club for 8+ years. How many years does Dame have left, 3-5? And we are potentially mortgaging the future 8 years out? As for the CBA, I have a general idea of how it works. When I was younger and didn't have children I knew way too much about it and could recite it. Stating what assets we have at our disposal does not violate the CBA. How you try structuring the deal(s) could. But don't pretend many posters aren't proposing emptying the coffers for a combo of Brown, Siakam and DeRozen.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I want the Blazers to compete some time soon. I am of the belief that it can’t given our current assets and money going out
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"competing some time soon" and trading Dame doesn't match. At all

and if the goal is to "compete" sometime 7-10 years from now, trading or keeping Dame doesn't matter, at all, either
 
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BIG Q said:
Those picks along with Ant (even some include Sharpe and I forgot all the second rounders and 23 from NY) and other filler are the assets Portland has available for this endeavor. I think that is easily agreeable as many posters have been tossing them around here in various trade scenarios. I wasn't proposing a trade, I never do or have. I just provided an inventory list of assets and what posters here are more than willing to give up to strap the club for 8+ years. How many years does Dame have left, 3-5? And we are potentially mortgaging the future 8 years out? As for the CBA, I have a general idea of how it works. When I was younger and didn't have children I knew way too much about it and could recite it. Stating what assets we have at our disposal does not violate the CBA. How you try structuring the deal(s) could. But don't pretend many posters aren't proposing emptying the coffers for a combo of Brown, Siakam and DeRozen.
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I don't remember anybody saying Portland shout trade this years top-6 pick + the 23rd pick + 4 future first's + 4 future swaps for some combo like Siakam & Derozan. That is a figment of bad imagination

Portland would have to trade over 50M in salaries to add those two guys while Ant + Nurk only combine for 38M
 
wizenheimer said:
"competing some time soon" and trading Dame doesn't match. At all

and if the goal is to "compete" sometime 7-10 years from now, trading or keeping Dame doesn't matter, at all
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I agree with everything here. Right now everything is ambiguous. What I think is an important discussion is how many NBA seasons does Dame want to play, and how effective will he be at the end of his career. I believe he has five seasons left, possibly six, but the last two I doubt he will be option 1. If he were to stay in Portland, Sharpe becomes a first option, maintain Grant, use our lotto pick to add a potential star three years out and use Ant and moderate assets in trade for a "needle mover" along with filling out the bench, Dame would still have three seasons left. Is it ideal? Who knows. Is anything ideal? Will only know after the results are in.
 
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wizenheimer said:
I don't remember anybody saying Portland shout trade this years top-6 pick + the 23rd pick + 4 future first's + 4 future swaps for some combo like Siakam & Derozan. That is a figment of bad imagination

Portland would have to trade over 50M in salaries to add those two guys while Ant + Nurk only combine for 38M
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Yes, you are correct, lots of salary would have to be included and Portland has nothing of value in these type of trades other than Ant and of course Dame. Many argue as to the actual value of Ant in comparison to CJ. Of course trading Dame kills conversation. Nurk is certainly negative value due to length and value of contract. And you have not been paying attention to the crazy trade proposals in these threads to acquire 'needle movers" to help Dame get a chip here obviously. I have no need, want or desire to scour these pages for all the proposals that support what I am pointing out. If you have the time you can check it out. I would like to continue, but youth soccer is calling.
 
wizenheimer said:
Portland would have to trade over 50M in salaries to add those two guys while Ant + Nurk only combine for 38M
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Just a minor point but...

Ant + Nurk can bring back close to 51 mil in salary in a trade (125%) after July 1. Before July 1, they bring back 48.5 mil in salary.

And don't forget the salary of the draft pick as well. A trade can be agreed upon and executed after the calendar turns.

Ant + Nurk + Nas = 44 mil. That can bring back 53 mil salary in return before July 1
 
wizenheimer said:
"competing some time soon" and trading Dame doesn't match. At all

and if the goal is to "compete" sometime 7-10 years from now, trading or keeping Dame doesn't matter, at all, either
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It may. I’m just so over purgatory
 
I really don’t think Siakam added to the current team makes us much better than maybe the 6th seed. We don’t have as much talent as some posters think. We have ONE ALL NBA talent, a few guys with “potential” and a lot of guys that would be bench pieces on good teams. Dame is probably my favorite player all time but I just feel that his era of blazer basketball is getting to the end and that with 3-4 more years of high productivity left he will bring back enough assets to help with a quicker rebuild. Trading our future in a desperation move or two to become contenders seems like a bad idea, I don’t trust this FO to formulate and execute a plan like that. I hate the idea of him playing somewhere else but the idea of Sharpe/Top 5 pick/Dame assets seems like the best course of action in my opinion.
 
I wish people would stop including Shae in trade scenarios. That would be the Blazers' dumbest move since drafting LaRue Martin over Bob McAdoo. And no team is going to send us someone like Imbiid, period.

(And before someone brings up Jordan, I said dumbest, not arguably worst. Bowie was the real deal, at a position of need, so not a dumb pick. Personally, I was worried about Bowie's injury history and I wanted the Blazers to pick the Round Mound of Rebound.)
 
LayneStaley said:
I really don’t think Siakam added to the current team makes us much better than maybe the 6th seed. We don’t have as much talent as some posters think. We have ONE ALL NBA talent, a few guys with “potential” and a lot of guys that would be bench pieces on good teams. Dame is probably my favorite player all time but I just feel that his era of blazer basketball is getting to the end and that with 3-4 more years of high productivity left he will bring back enough assets to help with a quicker rebuild. Trading our future in a desperation move or two to become contenders seems like a bad idea, I don’t trust this FO to formulate and execute a plan like that. I hate the idea of him playing somewhere else but the idea of Sharpe/Top 5 pick/Dame assets seems like the best course of action in my opinion.
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A quicker rebuild to get back to a 8 spot maybe. Look how long it's taking OKC. Obviously if the Blazers get the first pick, Wemby is that pick, unless a rare , Lakers acquiring Kareem type move, is made to get Giannis (highly doubtful). But the ability to add a player like Bridges with pick 2 / Ant has possibilities if Brooklyn needs a flashier player to build around. Then the Blazers have access to their other draft capital to make potentially a couple more moves for top bench depth. That makes the Blazers intriguing IMO. It's not about 1 move with the capital they have. It's about multiple moves. I doubt Reddish is brought back , unless on a very team friendly deal. Surely not at the 17 mil, cap hold. The Blazers want that space to bring in multiple face changing moves. As far as a team offering 3 1st for OG, maybe it was Memphis. They've got their young core , and were probably offering those future late 1st. Right now, because of injuries, and poor performances, our future 1st are , potentially , a lot more enticing. Most likely able to be used to acquiring real team changing talent.
 
BBert said:
I wish people would stop including Shae in trade scenarios. That would be the Blazers' dumbest move since drafting LaRue Martin over Bob McAdoo. And no team is going to send us someone like Imbiid, period.

(And before someone brings up Jordan, I said dumbest, not arguably worst. Bowie was the real deal, at a position of need, so not a dumb pick. Personally, I was worried about Bowie's injury history and I wanted the Blazers to pick the Round Mound of Rebound.)
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The only trade i could see Sharpe moved is in a attempt to acquire Giannis.
 
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