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PCmor7 said:
The odds always are against everyone.

Next draft you've got more elite talent at the top. If the Blazers are playing with this Scoot, Shae, Toumani, Deni, Clingan, Murray, Rupert, whoever it drafts this year ... that's probably going to get a worse record next year even if the young players continue to progress.

I just get the feeling now I'm debating people who are looking and fixating on reasons to feel down. We've gotten so far off what I posted to start with, everything is just going off on side arguments to say the team's going to be bad no matter what it does.
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By great pick I'm talking top 4-ish. If you lose the most games you have great odds of getting a great pick.

It's just frustrating is all. Hopefully this works out for the best. But without hitting the Powerball I don't see it happening.
 
PCmor7 said:
If that was true those teams would have traded for Deni in the offseason. He was available and a lot of contending teams had more to offer than the Blazers did.

He was not proven. Therefore he was not a win-now move.

And then you're going into this wild speculation of what might happen in an unspecified amount of time in the future based on an unspecified contribution by Avidja based on unknown salary cap and unknown cap space for the Blazers.

Good lord. I read some of this stuff and it's more depressing than the last season of Game of Thrones. It's just unrealistically pessimistic.

I'm out. I have better things to do with my day than engage with people who crap on the team for making bad moves or good moves or any moves or not making moves or the players outperforming their contracts or underperforming their contacts. I don't think any of you will ever be happy. If this team wins the title in 10 years, there still will be some cloud around it for you. Yeesh.
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Nah. If they turn into a contending team with legit chance to win I'll be super happy and gladly eat crow. I would love nothing more.

*Edit* In fact, if they trade the vets and we make the playoffs next year there won't be any reason to be upset. We'll be beyond tanking so we'll just have to focus on getting better via moves and coaching.

It's just it hurts right now, this season to be actively trying to miss this opportunity.
 
Miami has an absolutely cake finishing schedule. I see them winning at least 5 more games.

Chicago is similar. I see them winning 4 more games.

We can't let either team pass us in the lotto standings.

Spurs might win one more game. I don't see us finishing ahead of them in the lotto standings.
 
illmatic99 said:
Miami has an absolutely cake finishing schedule. I see them winning at least 5 more games.

Chicago is similar. I see them winning 4 more games.

We can't let either team pass us in the lotto standings.

Spurs might win one more game. I don't see us finishing ahead of them in the lotto standings.
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Chicago and Miami are also competing with each other for 9th seed, so they probably won't be deliberately tanking any games

Blazers play @ Bulls on the 2nd night of a b-2-b

the last 2 Blazer games of the season are at home against the Warriors and Lakers. Normally, you could expect at least one of those teams to rest players and concede the wins. That still might happen. BUT, right now the Warriors are only 1/2 game ahead of the Clippers for 6th seed and dodging the play-in. And the Lakers are only 1/2 game behind Memphis in the race for 4th seed and HCA in the 1st round
 
illmatic99 said:
Miami has an absolutely cake finishing schedule. I see them winning at least 5 more games.

Chicago is similar. I see them winning 4 more games.

We can't let either team pass us in the lotto standings.

Spurs might win one more game. I don't see us finishing ahead of them in the lotto standings.
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Yeah, the Spurs have two games left that they can win. The road game against the Blazers, and their last game at home against Toronto.
Maybe another if the opposing team sits a ton of players, but it looks like the Blazers would need to lose out to get the 8th spot.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, the Spurs have two games left that they can win. The road game against the Blazers, and their last game at home against Toronto.
Maybe another if the opposing team sits a ton of players, but it looks like the Blazers would need to lose out to get the 8th spot.
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Spurs have shut down both Wemby and Fox for the season. The irony here is that 39 year old injury magnet CP3 has played in all 71 games for the Spurs. Still, as you say, 2 more wins seems like the ceiling for them

if the Blazers lose tonight, they would slide to 3.5 games behind 10th & 11th seeds. But they'd be 4 losses behind. And they will have lost the tiebreakers with all 3 teams they are chasing. So, effectively they'd be 4.5 games or 5 losses behind....with 8 games left. No chance for play-in. But a chance for 9th seed in the lottery if they finally accepted reality
 
wizenheimer said:
Spurs have shut down both Wemby and Fox for the season. The irony here is that 39 year old injury magnet CP3 has played in all 71 games for the Spurs. Still, as you say, 2 more wins seems like the ceiling for them

if the Blazers lose tonight, they would slide to 3.5 games behind 10th & 11th seeds. But they'd be 4 losses behind. And they will have lost the tiebreakers with all 3 teams they are chasing. So, effectively they'd be 4.5 games or 5 losses behind....with 8 games left. No chance for play-in. But a chance for 9th seed in the lottery if they finally accepted reality
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They are already holding out Ayton and Grant. I doubt very much those two are "that" injured.
The biggest tank obstacle at the moment is Deni, followed by Simons. It's only 9 games.....shut them down
 
Blazers have moved up to 9th in the lottery odds, only one game behind SA for 8th as well.
 
Interesting to see who/if Joe picks.
 
PCmor7 said:
If that was true those teams would have traded for Deni in the offseason. He was available and a lot of contending teams had more to offer than the Blazers did.

He was not proven. Therefore he was not a win-now move.

And then you're going into this wild speculation of what might happen in an unspecified amount of time in the future based on an unspecified contribution by Avidja based on unknown salary cap and unknown cap space for the Blazers.

Good lord. I read some of this stuff and it's more depressing than the last season of Game of Thrones. It's just unrealistically pessimistic.

I'm out. I have better things to do with my day than engage with people who crap on the team for making bad moves or good moves or any moves or not making moves or the players outperforming their contracts or underperforming their contacts. I don't think any of you will ever be happy. If this team wins the title in 10 years, there still will be some cloud around it for you. Yeesh.
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I'm not sure what "I'm out" means when you continue to post here every single day.

Look I call the Blazers out when they make bad moves and give them credit when they make good moves. Loved Cronin haul in the Dame trade and most of his draft selections. Hated many of the other moves as well as the overpaid vets we collect. When the team is in year 4 of heavy losses and 12th/15 teams in the conference without any young future star player to to build around that seems completely justifiable for me and many others to heavily question the franchises strategic directions.

If you want to always look on the bright side putting flowers and rainbows on a pile of crap that seems as stupid to me as people who only look at the negative side.
 
Flagg aint going to WAS or CHA. Bank on it. UTA or SAS is my hunch, maybe PHI

Never forget CLE got the top pick 3 times in 4 years after lebron left. Calculate the odds of that.
 
Cugel said:
Flagg aint going to WAS or CHA. Bank on it. UTA or SAS is my hunch, maybe PHI

Never forget CLE got the top pick 3 times in 4 years after lebron left. Calculate the odds of that.
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Good point - the NBA likely has a huge conspiracy to get #1 picks repeatedly in Cleveland. I mean its such a large profitable market - right?

Then the NBA wanted the Knicks to have one of the worst playoff streaks over 20+ years since its the largest market.

Meanwhile Toronto, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Spurs, Nuggets have won a bunch of titles.
 
I been trying to lose all year but ya’ll was celebrating corny January wins
 
Cugel said:
Flagg aint going to WAS or CHA. Bank on it. UTA or SAS is my hunch, maybe PHI

Never forget CLE got the top pick 3 times in 4 years after lebron left. Calculate the odds of that.
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Odds are odds. It’s like rolling dice. No matter how many times 7 comes up it still has 6 ways to happen out of 36.
Point is it makes no difference what the odds were the first and second time. The odds the third time were set by lottery position.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Cmon you know the answer.... we're 4 losses back with 10 games remaining. Going to be awhile.
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only 8 games left; and because the Blazers have lost the tiebreakers with the 9th & 10th seeds, they are effectively 5 games behind. They have also realistically lost the tiebreaker with Phoenix as well
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Good point - the NBA likely has a huge conspiracy to get #1 picks repeatedly in Cleveland. I mean its such a large profitable market - right?

Then the NBA wanted the Knicks to have one of the worst playoff streaks over 20+ years since its the largest market.

Meanwhile Toronto, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Spurs, Nuggets have won a bunch of titles.
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I am just stating facts. Against all odds weird things happen in the draft. Even LeBron recently pointed out these anomalies on the mcafee show.
 
It's like we took the worst odds to get the best prize because we threw away the other tickets.
 
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