Politics Tara Reade

[e_blazer]

not true. She claimed she filed a complaint shortly after it happened in 1993 and where was Reade in 2008? If she is telling the truth and it was filed it is reasonable to assume it would have come up during the vetting process.

You're really stretching. You think that investigators went searching through the Senate employment records for something about an incident that hadn't come to their attention yet?

 

[CupWizier]

You're really stretching. You think that investigators went searching through the Senate employment records for something about an incident that hadn't come to their attention yet?

Not stretching anything gumby. If she filed a complaint ( and there is some doubt if she actually filed one) and she doesn't even remember what she put in it. You appear to have bias as you have claimed you don;t like Biden and want him to step down. I was never a Biden supporter as I don't vote in the primary and only vote in the general so I make my decision when it's appropriate, but this Reade allegation has some stench to it. You and gumby can relax now.

 

[Lanny]

Personnel, not personal. The article doesn't say there are personnel files at U Delaware, only that there 'could be'.

Obama's Kenyan birth certificate 'could be' there too.

barfo

'personal' and 'personnel' have vastly different meanings.

 

[Sedatedfork]

All good my friend. I was only referencing this specific post because it was referenced to me. I by no means am able to read all posts here and apologize if it looks like I painted you in a light, not indignant of your views. Its just your statement was used in reference to something that I didn't think provided a fair reference is all.

This had nothing to do with you. I apologize.

Yeah. Sorry I came with the gusto. I just didn’t like it being insinuated that I was being a hypocrite. I try my best to be fair to all. Or at least that’s what I aspire to do. I know in the last 5 years I’ve probably not met that standard. We are all good. Here is kind of what I want to hear from politicians: their willingness to work with the opposing party and reset politics to try and accomplish wins regardless of party lines. I’m tired of the vicious political game that politics has developed into. I think most people are. This OT forum is kind of a perfect example. Instead, we are stuck with Trump vs. Biden and bickering. Also, is it too much to ask that we get candidates that have not been accused of sexual assault.

 

[e_blazer]

Not stretching anything gumby. If she filed a complaint ( and there is some doubt if she actually filed one) and she doesn't even remember what she put in it. You appear to have bias as you have claimed you don;t like Biden and want him to step down. I was never a Biden supporter as I don't vote in the primary and only vote in the general so I make my decision when it's appropriate, but this Reade allegation has some stench to it. You and gumby can relax now.

You should go back and read what I wrote. I never said that Biden should step down based on Reade's allegation, just that the matter deserves investigation. I'm an independent, so I don't vote for a presidential candidate in the primary. So, is there some reason that you don't want it investigated? I'm not really getting why you and yank have been so against what I've said...which is simply that it should be investigated.

 

[Lanny]

You should go back and read what I wrote. I never said that Biden should step down based on Reade's allegation, just that the matter deserves investigation. I'm an independent, so I don't vote for a presidential candidate in the primary. So, is there some reason that you don't want it investigated? I'm not really getting why you and yank have been so against what I've said...which is simply that it should be investigated.

Biden has called for a thorough and independent investigation. Not the typical words of a guilty man.

 

[barfo]

You're really stretching. You think that investigators went searching through the Senate employment records for something about an incident that hadn't come to their attention yet?

Searching for things that haven't come to their attention yet is a big part of what vetting is.

Yes, I would expect that they'd have at least addressed the issue, with Joe, with others that he'd worked with, and in whatever records were accessible. Entirely possible they missed it, but they surely would have looked for any hint of such things.

barfo

 

[CupWizier]

You should go back and read what I wrote. I never said that Biden should step down based on Reade's allegation, just that the matter deserves investigation. I'm an independent, so I don't vote for a presidential candidate in the primary. So, is there some reason that you don't want it investigated? I'm not really getting why you and yank have been so against what I've said...which is simply that it should be investigated.

Dude, if they investigate fine. If they don't investigate fine. There has to be a lot more come out before I think an investigation would be required as investigations can get ugly and ruin a person's chance at the office they are running for even if found innocent. This is basically a he said she said type case that happened 27 years ago and the only info we have is what Reade told people so essentially there is only 2 real witnesses, Reade and Biden. Was trump investigated for all of his sexuals allegations? If so, can you link me to all the investigations results and findings? I'm just tired of all the double standards and what trump has been allowed to get away with and I will happily settle for anyone but him.

 

[barfo]

Also, is it too much to ask that we get candidates that have not been accused of sexual assault.

Yes, that is too much to ask. There's no reason to expect that such accusations won't be lodged against any candidate, valid or not.

If the electorate is unable or unwilling to distinguish between true and false accusations, it is a very effective political tactic.

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

Biden has called for a thorough and independent investigation. Not the typical words of a guilty man.

He called for the media to investigate the issue, IIRC. Not exactly the same thing as a professional investigation.

 

[e_blazer]

Searching for things that haven't come to their attention yet is a big part of what vetting is.

Yes, I would expect that they'd have at least addressed the issue, with Joe, with others that he'd worked with, and in whatever records were accessible. Entirely possible they missed it, but they surely would have looked for any hint of such things.

barfo

We can make all the assumptions we want, but here’s a lady claiming something significant has been overlooked. Maybe she’s lying or simply wacky, but it deserves to be checked out. If the DNC is willing to leave that to the press, that their choice, but I don’t think it’s the best thing and I don’t think a lot of women who vote Democrat are going to be thrilled.

 

[Hoopguru]

There will always be false accusations when it comes to guys and gals.
But if you're going to accuse someone of such a serious offense, you better have evidence, corroboration and gone to the authorities.
I thought the Ford accusations were a stretch beyond stretch and I do with this one too.
Before any woman or man can ruin someones life they better have a strong case.
Innocent until proven guilty & no close like horseshoes either!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sorry bro, but this is rich. The trump supporters in here have no place to reprimand Democrats when it comes to sexual assaults and presidential candidates.

We shall have tro agree to disagree.

#equal standards matter


I'm not saying any sexual misconduct from either party is to be taken lightly. Im just saying that the #me too movement was not a republican thing. It was pushed by the Dems and thus should hold themselves to that standard.

I expect the same of republicans to maintain a standard equal or above what they preach and push.

But lets not act like the Dems are way better or anything...Maybe just better at hiding things.


https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article242408266.html

 

[barfo]

We can make all the assumptions we want, but here’s a lady claiming something significant has been overlooked. Maybe she’s lying or simply wacky, but it deserves to be checked out. If the DNC is willing to leave that to the press, that their choice, but I don’t think it’s the best thing and I don’t think a lot of women who vote Democrat are going to be thrilled.

It really isn't clear to me why you think the DNC is the appropriate body to investigate. First of all, investigations really aren't in their line of business, and secondly no one would believe the results if they exonerated Joe.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

It really isn't clear to me why you think the DNC is the appropriate body to investigate. First of all, investigations really aren't in their line of business, and secondly no one would believe the results if they exonerated Joe.

barfo

independent investigations are the only truly valid ones.
Internal and opposition investigations will always have a "could be bias" asterisk.


And no, the media is not independent.

 

[Orion Bailey]

If Biden knows he didn't do it and he wants this gone, the best thing he can do is call for the DNC to assemble an independent group to investigate and be 100% cooperative. Then do not answer any questions about it and refer to it as no comment under investigation. This would minimize the press focus and allow him to stay on course with his agenda.

 

[jonnyboy]

There is no way to wholly investigate an almost 30 year old fingering incident. She says it happened, he says it didn’t. She told a few people at the time and most of them have reaffirmed the notion, that’s about the best your gonna get. Pull out your dictionaries and see “CORROBORATE”, it’s quite the buzzword in here yet nobody seems to understand it’s meaning. There is plenty of corroboration. There’s a tape of her mom calling Larry King a few days later. That may not be indictment-worthy but it is some more CORROBORATION for those here who are clamoring for it and pretending it doesn’t exist.

The only court this will be held in is the court of public opinion. People will either believe it or they won’t and they will vote accordingly. For people whining that “he never got convicted!” take your third grade logic and shove it. People get away with shit, especially powerful people. The law in this country is about as useless as tits on a boar.

 

[magnifier661]

The only way to truly investigate this would have a non-partisan investigation on the matter. We all know that won’t happen. Let’s just say he didn’t do it and move on. #MeToo is a failure

 

[Orion Bailey]

There is no way to wholly investigate an almost 30 year old fingering incident. She says it happened, he says it didn’t. She told a few people at the time and most of them have reaffirmed the notion, that’s about the best your gonna get. Pull out your dictionaries and see “CORROBORATE”, it’s quite the buzzword in here yet nobody seems to understand it’s meaning. There is plenty of corroboration. There’s a tape of her mom calling Larry King a few days later. That may not be indictment-worthy but it is some more CORROBORATION for those here who are clamoring for it and pretending it doesn’t exist.

The only court this will be held in is the court of public opinion. People will either believe it or they won’t and they will vote accordingly. For people whining that “he never got convicted!” take your third grade logic and shove it. People get away with shit, especially powerful people. The law in this country is about as useless as tits on a boar.

Wait.
I need to confirm something very critical....

Boars have tits?


You learn something new everyday around here!

 

[e_blazer]

It really isn't clear to me why you think the DNC is the appropriate body to investigate. First of all, investigations really aren't in their line of business, and secondly no one would believe the results if they exonerated Joe.

barfo

Who else has any authority to back one? The alleged crime is long passed the statute of limitations so the cops won’t touch it. The FBI has no authority. I’d say an independent commission should be appointed by the DNC and they should hire qualified investigators and some media people to research it and report back. You’re right that if they exonerate him there will still be questions, but it’s better than ignoring it entirely.

 

[tlongII]

Clearly you people must not be working during the pandemic. I can't keep up.

 

[e_blazer]

“Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez dismissed calls to search Joe Biden’s archives for Tara Reade’s sexual-assault accusation, telling ABC’s Martha Raddatz that “this is like the Hillary emails, because there was nothing there.”

Appearing on ABC’s This Week, Perez defended Biden’s innocence and his handling of the accusation, saying that Biden had already been thoroughly vetted by Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential race.”

Okay, obviously my idea isn’t going to get off the ground unless there are a whole bunch of people who demand an investigation.

 

[wizenheimer]

Okay, obviously my idea isn’t going to get off the ground unless there are a whole bunch of people who demand an investigation.

there's really nothing to investigate. Accusations about something from 20-30 years in the past are going to go almost nowhere. Some people will believe, others won't. Some people believed Anita Hill, many didn't. Some believed Paula Jones, others didn't. Some believed Kavanaugh, others didn't.

on the other hand, just about everybody believes Stormy Daniels. And that's even after she hired a slimy lawyer and an enthusiastic plastic surgeon

anyway, as far as I'm concerned these kind of 2-3 decade old accusations are not a litmus test of women's credibility or men's culpability. I don't think I'm a chauvinistic asshole if I'm skeptical about most of these accusers...and I am. Truthfully, the only one I'd assign high credibility to is Anita Hill, and that's because she was the one who didn't want to come forward

Thomas and Kavanaugh are on the SCOTUS. Clinton was a two-term president; trump won; and I predict it won't matter for Biden. The only guy who paid a price was Al Franken, and ironically, he was the one guy who probably shouldn't have been hammered. I take that back, how could I forget the kissing bandit, Bob Packwood. But he deserved his shame....what a fucking idiot

 

[Chris Craig]

We shall have tro agree to disagree.

#equal standards matter


I'm not saying any sexual misconduct from either party is to be taken lightly. Im just saying that the #me too movement was not a republican thing. It was pushed by the Dems and thus should hold themselves to that standard.

I expect the same of republicans to maintain a standard equal or above what they preach and push.

But lets not act like the Dems are way better or anything...Maybe just better at hiding things.


https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article242408266.html

Then you don't have a very expectation for republicans.

Both sides have an equal responsibility to believing women who acuse politicians of sexual misconduct, assault. Etc. Just because the Republicans had no hand in #metoo, and that is not something to be proud of, doesn't mean they have any less responsibility to it.

 

[calvin natt]

To my dear fellow Trump haters. There is one and only one answer to this Biden thing. Fully investigate, bring in witnesses or whoever need be and grill Biden and if it doesn’t jive...he’s out and bring in someone else. Period. Nobody in here hates Trump more than me and in fact my language towards him has “gotten me in trouble”. But I have NO patience for hypocrisy and maybe Biden did shady stuff and maybe he didn’t. But step up and face the music. That’s exactly the type of bullshit that makes Trump a horrible human being. Politicians need to know there is full transparency expected. If he can’t be president oh well we will find someone else. Fuck both these guys if they won’t take the stand.

 

[calvin natt]

Also it’s a waste of time to compare democrats to republicans like “well we don’t have to since you didn’t (trump/Biden) Republicans are who they are and there is no mystery that they won’t denounce the KKK or David Duke or police violence or Trump or gun violence. They could end that almost immediately if they wanted to. They don’t. Ain’t gonna happen. Going down to that level isn’t worth it and is beneath us.

 

[barfo]

To my dear fellow Trump haters. There is one and only one answer to this Biden thing. Fully investigate, bring in witnesses or whoever need be and grill Biden and if it doesn’t jive...he’s out and bring in someone else. Period. Nobody in here hates Trump more than me and in fact my language towards him has “gotten me in trouble”. But I have NO patience for hypocrisy and maybe Biden did shady stuff and maybe he didn’t. But step up and face the music. That’s exactly the type of bullshit that makes Trump a horrible human being. Politicians need to know there is full transparency expected. If he can’t be president oh well we will find someone else. Fuck both these guys if they won’t take the stand.

What sort of investigation do you want? There's actually lots of investigating going on right now. There's no governmental entity that has reason to investigate it so far as I know, but there are lots of other people poking at it, some anti-Biden and some pro-Biden.

In the end, unless Biden or Reade confesses, we'll never be able to say 100% what did or didn't happen, as there apparently aren't videotapes or witnesses.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

 

[Lanny]

He called for the media to investigate the issue, IIRC. Not exactly the same thing as a professional investigation.

No, I heard him call for an official investigation.

Edit:
"There is only one place a complaint of this kind could be -- the National Archives," Biden said in a statement released last Friday. "The National Archives is where the records are kept at what was then called the Office of Fair Employment Practices. I am requesting that the Secretary of the Senate ask the Archives to identify any record of the complaint she alleges she filed and make available to the press any such document. If there was ever any such complaint, the record will be there."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/politics/joe-biden-national-archives-tara-reade/index.html

 

[yankeesince59]

Senate Office Tells Biden It Cannot Seek Tara Reade Records

read://https_www.npr.org/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2020%2F05%2F04%2F850038361%2Fsenate-office-tells-biden-it-cannot-seek-tara-reade-records

Okay, obviously my idea isn’t going to get off the ground unless there are a whole bunch of people who demand an investigation.

Haven't seen any actual data but I gotta believe that the majority of people who are demanding an investigation are split along party lines.

Nothing new, so we should be used to that, even though it's wrong.